CHRISTIANS

[daved150]

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Let me offer another perspective.

I didn't give something of myself. I held myself to my own standards, my own morals, my own values - I was myself. I had integrity and lived by my own value system, which includes valuing other people.

To be selfless, I would have said to myself, "I know I value other people and I hate seeing people in distress but even though I could do something that would take less than 15 minutes to help this person, I'm going to choose to ignore my own higher values and decide to go home and watch t.v.

scroll back to post 219...thats MY perspective of your good deed. you can put all the bullshyt spin on it you want....come up with all kinds of crap.....your a follower of god by deeds not by word...yours may be the best way of all!! i'm sure your in great standing with god bro...

[Klash]

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MY VALUE SYSTEM= COMPASION-LOL

O.k. but you don't value murderers do you? So if someone was to set out and harm a serial killer would you have compassion for the serial killer? No because the serial killer holds character traits you detest because they are in opposition to your value of human life. Compassion is a result of a threat to something you value. You don't value murders, so you wouldn't have compassion. I value human life; a very pregnant woman stranded with a flat tire is a threat to the health and safety of that woman. If it would have been two men with a flat tire, there would have been no threat and I wouldn't have used my time to help them.

[Klash]

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RIGHT!!
and his compasion=sefless acts of kindness toward fellow man.
a very good trait in a true follower of god.
you may not like to think of yourself as a follower bro, but you are. and your the best kind, imo. you dont do it out of fear of hell. you dont do it for you own selfish want of heaven....no! you do it out of you love for human life. your compassion for others...you try to mask it as anything but selflessness or compassion...and thats what makes it selfless AND compasionate!!! in the end....it may be you that has to get me in!!!

Thanks bro! I appreciate that!

[daved150]

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O.k. but you don't value murderers do you? So if someone was to set out and harm a serial killer would you have compassion for the serial killer? No because the serial killer holds character traits you detest because they are in opposition to your value of human life. Compassion is a result of a threat to something you value. You don't value murders, so you wouldn't have compassion. I value human life; a very pregnant woman stranded with a flat tire is a threat to the health and safety of that woman. If it would have been two men with a flat tire, there would have been no threat and I wouldn't have used my time to help them.

right!!! and thats why you were a god send. the 2 men had their flat tire hours before and did not need you....she did....and at that percise moment in time, you were there...to help...as if sent on that course by a higher being...oh, i know, like the good follower of christ, you will argue that it was just chance...you were just going home..there was no path you were put on...it was just a typical day, as any other and nothing was different ...nay i say!!! you were sent to help that lady!!! you, my friend, was a god send!!!

[deepsouth]

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Now let me say this- The Bible says I must Love them- doesn't say I have to like them or agree with their lifestyle. That being said- I would have compasion even for the serial killer( even though I don't like him), but he has broken law and for that he has to answer.I can't control others and what they might do to him, but "I" can only bring harm to him to save another if I see him come against an innocent bistander or one of my family.

[Dzone]

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HEY THIS MAKES FOR GOOD READING. By golly

[Klash]

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I just make it simple. What I take out of an act such as that is the peronal value system. First off, I've never put compassion in a seflish based value system. So I just simply choose, or I believe it's more an understanding, that that act of compassion is based on a correct personal value system which values human life, and even comfort. It would take a lifetime of acts of selfless compassion for me to demonstrate where I draw the line to make my point. It isn't something that can be put in words. Or at least, again, I can't. You choose to view acts based on personal values as selfish.

So let me get this straight. If you can't define the line, your implying it's whimsical. Depending on how you "feel" and whether those emotions are based on rational or irrational beliefs - you don't know.

Lets look at things that people don't share compassion on. Successful, rich people. The government takes more money from the top 1% of it's citizens than any other group. Why, because most people approve of force to take from the rich because of class envy. I am compassionate towards anyone discriminated against by government force because they are a minority. If you support using force against the minority then you can't hardly say you have compassion for them. Reduced down to the ultimate primary the difference is I value an individuals freedom and life and I see a threat to that, with this issue.

Another issue. Global warming. People have compassion for the earth. I do not, I have compassion for the people on this earth. This is a result in different values; the former is irrational and the latter - rational.

Let me make it easy. All value systems aren't selfish to begin with. Just because it's within your value system, and it's your values, doesn't make it selfish. You've redefined selfish. Just because whatever act done belongs in your value system, it's selfish to you. That's not so. It's like right or wrong. I can take a selfish person, and define his acts being selfish all day long. Then take a truly unselfish person, and define his acts as unselfish. Just use the definitions given for the terms for help. Then subtract all the irrational, or false rational, that you've added to make compassion a selfish act. voila...unselfish. You can even possess a selfless value system. That's just pure crazy to you though, right?

I will agree that not all value systems are rational. I'm not redefining selfish; I just see people using the term with extreme double standards by stating someone is selfish. Everyone is selfish but some people are more rational than others and because of this have a more rational value system. If someone's value system results in behavior that displays disregard for human life - they disregard their own life? It all goes back to contradictions and getting rid of them. If you disregard human life, in general, then you also accept the premise that you are worthy of disregard.

[Klash]

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Now let me say this- The Bible says I must Love them- doesn't say I have to like them or agree with their lifestyle. That being said- I would have compasion even for the serial killer( even though I don't like him), but he has broken law and for that he has to answer.I can't control others and what they might do to him, but "I" can only bring harm to him to save another if I see him come against an innocent bistander or one of my family.

O.k. I completely don't understand this kind of thought. How do you love evil? Love is for those you admire, respect and value for their character. In a rational morality code, good brings/secures life and happiness, those that are evil bring intentional death, threatens health/life and/or brings sorrow. Someone that took other people that were valued, by others, just as I value my son and daughter.

How can you love evil?

[Klash]

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right!!! and thats why you were a god send. the 2 men had their flat tire hours before and did not need you....she did....and at that percise moment in time, you were there...to help...as if sent on that course by a higher being...oh, i know, like the good follower of christ, you will argue that it was just chance...you were just going home..there was no path you were put on...it was just a typical day, as any other and nothing was different ...nay i say!!! you were sent to help that lady!!! you, my friend, was a god send!!!

LOL, but I am on the darkside. you think god uses me to help people in need, even though he knows I'm pre-destine for hell? Why not use a Christian, there are a lot of Bible thumpers down here, having affairs, doing drugs, you know doing the hypocritical thing. Are you saying an atheist was the only dependable person to do his work? LOL

[daved150]

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LOL, but I am on the darkside. you think god uses me to help people in need, even though he knows I'm pre-destine for hell? Why not use a Christian, there are a lot of Bible thumpers down here, having affairs, doing drugs, you know doing the hypocritical thing. Are you saying an atheist was the only dependable person to do his work? LOL

right!! atheist smatheist only you give a shyt about that tag! those who choose to verbaly challenge the word and provoke thaught by saying they dont believe....they choose that term. they tag themselves. i dont see anyone different than another...assholes are assholes and good peeps are good peeps. so a self discribed athiest was needed to help a lady out...yep...that was you!! who says your predestined for hell?? i dont know of anyone who walks this earth that makes that decission. and...thats exactly why you were chosen...has nothing to do with thumping bibles and shyt like that. decent human is a decent human...
sorry bro...your one that leads by example. what you say while you lead bears no consequence (like everyone swoons at your becken call, or teaters on the next word to come out of your mouth, lmao...get over yourself) THE DEEDS THEY SEE, SAYS IT ALL. so you keep THINKING your an athiest. and you keep acting as shepard over your flock...

[FUZO]

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even though he knows I'm pre-destine for hell?

Klash dude wake up man god does not pre-destine anyone for hell

right!! atheist smatheist only you give a shyt about that tag! those who choose to verbaly challenge the word and provoke thaught by saying they dont believe....they choose that term. they tag themselves. i dont see anyone different than another...assholes are assholes and good peeps are good peeps. so a self discribed athiest was needed to help a lady out...yep...that was you!! who says your predestined for hell?? i dont know of anyone who walks this earth that makes that decission. and...thats exactly why you were chosen...has nothing to do with thumping bibles and shyt like that. decent human is a decent human...
sorry bro...your one that leads by example. what you say while you lead bears no consequence (like everyone swoons at your becken call, or teaters on the next word to come out of your mouth, lmao...get over yourself) THE DEEDS THEY SEE, SAYS IT ALL. so you keep THINKING your an athiest. and you keep acting as shepard over your flock...

I agree with dave on this 100%

[Klash]

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Klash dude wake up man god does not pre-destine anyone for hell







I agree with dave on this 100%

Let's just say for sake of argument that there is a god and that god is the god of the Bible. I am for sure going to hell; there is no going back for me.

It would be like your kid asking you to believe in Santa Clause but not only could you not "believe" in Santa Clause if he existed you'd rather kill him than serve him. Then your where I am in regards to the Christian god.

[Klash]

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right!! atheist smatheist only you give a shyt about that tag! those who choose to verbaly challenge the word and provoke thaught by saying they dont believe....they choose that term. they tag themselves. i dont see anyone different than another...assholes are assholes and good peeps are good peeps. so a self discribed athiest was needed to help a lady out...yep...that was you!! who says your predestined for hell?? i dont know of anyone who walks this earth that makes that decission. and...thats exactly why you were chosen...has nothing to do with thumping bibles and shyt like that. decent human is a decent human...
sorry bro...your one that leads by example. what you say while you lead bears no consequence (like everyone swoons at your becken call, or teaters on the next word to come out of your mouth, lmao...get over yourself) THE DEEDS THEY SEE, SAYS IT ALL. so you keep THINKING your an athiest. and you keep acting as shepard over your flock...

LOL, your god sure has evolved since his book was written.

[deepsouth]

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O.k. I completely don't understand this kind of thought. How do you love evil? Love is for those you admire, respect and value for their character. In a rational morality code, good brings/secures life and happiness, those that are evil bring intentional death, threatens health/life and/or brings sorrow. Someone that took other people that were valued, by others, just as I value my son and daughter.

How can you love evil?

I do NOT love Evil- I love Gods Child- not the acts of Evil he has done. If you look throughout the Bible -Jesus didn't hang out with all the good people, but rather the misfits and outcast. These were the people he was trying to reach- those who are already doing well and all is good- think they don't need him- they believe they are doing it on their own. pride comes before a fall.

Psalm 10:4
The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

You see if I were to hate a man for his actions- then I would have to hate anyone who has done something not pleasing to God - now where would that leave me at the end of the day?? I serve a God of Love and Forgiveness

[horsepwr]

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O.k. but you don't value murderers do you? So if someone was to set out and harm a serial killer would you have compassion for the serial killer? No because the serial killer holds character traits you detest because they are in opposition to your value of human life. Compassion is a result of a threat to something you value. You don't value murders, so you wouldn't have compassion. I value human life; a very pregnant woman stranded with a flat tire is a threat to the health and safety of that woman. If it would have been two men with a flat tire, there would have been no threat and I wouldn't have used my time to help them.

So this your definition of compassion?