CHRISTIANS

[Klash]

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I wouldn't say compasion is based on a value completely, but you ask how can it be selfless and I can definately answer that and probably if you reflect on things you have done in your own life -find where you have had compasion yourself. If you have EVER done something for someone not because you had to and with nothing to gain for yourself but merely because you saw a need that you could help somemone meet- you had compasion for them and did it. And that my friend is SELFLESS

Deepsouth and Horsepower,

What is compassion based on? and how can it be selfless?

You know, your not telling me how compassion is selfless but only that it is selfless. I've explained why it is not.

I have done things you would consider selfless but that doesn't mean it was. I help people when I can because I value human life.

I helped a pregnant woman with a flat tire. I recognized her distress and helped, I saw helping her as a higher value, to me, than going home and watching "Survivor".

[daved150]

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What is compassion based on? and how can it be selfless?

You know, your not telling me how compassion is selfless but only that it is selfless. I've explained why it is not.

I have done things you would consider selfless but that doesn't mean it was. I help people when I can because I value human life.

I helped a pregnant woman with a flat tire. I recognized her distress and helped, I saw helping her as a higher value, to me, than going home and watching "Survivor".

...and that was a very selfless act for you to do that bro!! and very christian of you too. i dont understand, with all your intellegance why you dont get it..think harder...you'll figure it out. in the mean time, continue being the good sheppard you are and continue to lead the flock....your doing a fine job bro...peace be with you

[Klash]

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...and that was a very selfless act for you to do that bro!! and very christian of you too. i dont understand, with all your intellegance why you dont get it..think harder...you'll figure it out. in the mean time, continue being the good sheppard you are and continue to lead the flock....your doing a fine job bro...peace be with you

LOL...

[deepsouth]

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Deepsouth and Horsepower,

What is compassion based on? and how can it be selfless?

You know, your not telling me how compassion is selfless but only that it is selfless. I've explained why it is not.

I have done things you would consider selfless but that doesn't mean it was. I help people when I can because I value human life.

I helped a pregnant woman with a flat tire. I recognized her distress and helped, I saw helping her as a higher value, to me, than going home and watching "Survivor".

Its not human life- you gave something from yourself with asking nothing in return- that is SELFLESS plain and simple- you have Compasion for those that are less fortunate or in need and you give without asking yourself-what do I have to gain from this- Bro- like it or not- (without trying to sound Gay) you my friend (and I'm proud to call you that)are a kind hearted loving, compasionate person who has done things for others selflessly. You have put someone elses needs in front of your own- thats not human nature

[horsepwr]

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Deepsouth and Horsepower,

What is compassion based on? and how can it be selfless?

You know, your not telling me how compassion is selfless but only that it is selfless. I've explained why it is not.

I have done things you would consider selfless but that doesn't mean it was. I help people when I can because I value human life.

I helped a pregnant woman with a flat tire. I recognized her distress and helped, I saw helping her as a higher value, to me, than going home and watching "Survivor".

and why was this selfish?

[Klash]

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and why was this selfish?

My value for other people's well being is of higher value than watching "Survivor". This particular person was approximately 8 months pregnant and uncomfortable; it would have been much more difficult for her to change the tire. If I would have ignored my compassion that was brought about by my value system, i.e. I would have lacked integrity to live by my own beliefs.


Your turn. I like it when people disagree with me but you have to at lease attempt to explain why? Where is your line that separates where selfishness ends and selflessness begins and what determines the line? and how is your compassion selfless, if it is based on your value system?

[deepsouth]

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MY VALUE SYSTEM= COMPASION-LOL

[Dzone]

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^You shall and have been visited by good karma. grace. casting your bread upon the water, ..pressed down and shaken together running over...as you sow so shall you reap...what goes around comes around and all that other stuff...whatever we call it, life is a bommerang.
I cant really explain it, but it is a spiritual phenomenon

If some of my Christian bros ever heard me speak of Karma, they would be trying to cast the devil out of me...LOL

[daved150]

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MY VALUE SYSTEM= COMPASION-LOL

RIGHT!!
and his compasion=sefless acts of kindness toward fellow man.
a very good trait in a true follower of god.
you may not like to think of yourself as a follower bro, but you are. and your the best kind, imo. you dont do it out of fear of hell. you dont do it for you own selfish want of heaven....no! you do it out of you love for human life. your compassion for others...you try to mask it as anything but selflessness or compassion...and thats what makes it selfless AND compasionate!!! in the end....it may be you that has to get me in!!!

[deepsouth]

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^You shall and have been visited by good karma. grace. casting your bread upon the water, ..pressed down and shaken together running over...as you sow so shall you reap...what goes around comes around and all that other stuff...whatever we call it, life is a bommerang.
I cant really explain it, but it is a spiritual phenomenon

If some of my Christian bros ever heard me speak of Karma, they would be trying to cast the devil out of me...LOL

LOL- you are correct

[Dzone]

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Next time I go to my brothers ultra right wing fundamentalist church, just for fun, Im going to go around saying "I wish you good karma!'...I cant wait!!!!...I might get kicked out..LOL

[Dzone]

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Then Im going to go over to the pastor and say 'Pastor, that sermon had some good karma. I really felt You vibrating in harmony with infinite intelligence. nice job pastor! May good karma go with you"...I dont think I could say it with a straight face

[horsepwr]

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My value for other people's well being is of higher value than watching "Survivor". This particular person was approximately 8 months pregnant and uncomfortable; it would have been much more difficult for her to change the tire. If I would have ignored my compassion that was brought about by my value system, i.e. I would have lacked integrity to live by my own beliefs.


Your turn. I like it when people disagree with me but you have to at lease attempt to explain why? Where is your line that separates where selfishness ends and selflessness begins and what determines the line? and how is your compassion selfless, if it is based on your value system?

I just make it simple. What I take out of an act such as that is the peronal value system. First off, I've never put compassion in a seflish based value system. So I just simply choose, or I believe it's more an understanding, that that act of compassion is based on a correct personal value system which values human life, and even comfort. It would take a lifetime of acts of selfless compassion for me to demonstrate where I draw the line to make my point. It isn't something that can be put in words. Or at least, again, I can't. You choose to view acts based on personal values as selfish.

Let me make it easy. All value systems aren't selfish to begin with. Just because it's within your value system, and it's your values, doesn't make it selfish. You've redefined selfish. Just because whatever act done belongs in your value system, it's selfish to you. That's not so. It's like right or wrong. I can take a selfish person, and define his acts being selfish all day long. Then take a truly unselfish person, and define his acts as unselfish. Just use the definitions given for the terms for help. Then subtract all the irrational, or false rational, that you've added to make compassion a selfish act. voila...unselfish. You can even possess a selfless value system. That's just pure crazy to you though, right?

[Klash]

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Its not human life- you gave something from yourself with asking nothing in return- that is SELFLESS plain and simple- you have Compasion for those that are less fortunate or in need and you give without asking yourself-what do I have to gain from this- Bro- like it or not- (without trying to sound Gay) you my friend (and I'm proud to call you that)are a kind hearted loving, compasionate person who has done things for others selflessly. You have put someone elses needs in front of your own- thats not human nature

Let me offer another perspective.

I didn't give something of myself. I held myself to my own standards, my own morals, my own values - I was myself. I had integrity and lived by my own value system, which includes valuing other people.

To be selfless, I would have said to myself, "I know I value other people and I hate seeing people in distress but even though I could do something that would take less than 15 minutes to help this person, I'm going to choose to ignore my own higher values and decide to go home and watch t.v.

[horsepwr]

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Let me offer another perspective.

I didn't give something of myself. I held myself to my own standards, my own morals, my own values - I was myself. I had integrity and lived by my own value system, which includes valuing other people.

To be selfless, I would have said to myself, "I know I value other people and I hate seeing people in distress but even though I could do something that would take less than 15 minutes to help this person, I'm going to choose to ignore my own higher values and decide to go home and watch t.v.

come on now. That's just an absolute spin.