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well aint that fukin great!!! i got people telling me i "got to have faith that things are gonna get better" all the time!! thanks for pissing in my weaties bro!!!
Exactly and while Obama is president. LOL, i.e. "you got to be irrational to think things are going to get better" - yeah, maybe in four years!
I tried to at least spark some interest in what I routinely find that most people don't understand about rational self-interest.
I agree with a lot of this - well damn near all of it.
I am a selfish person and I don't know of one person who would think otherwise. I've got no problem with that either.
If it suits me or those I find dear to me then great - if not and I don't know them - then I really can't find reason to feel anything for them - good, bad or indifferent.
A guy I know at work here - I would consider him a friend but not necessarily a close one - well he and his girlfriend who they have have child together recently spilt up. I told the wife about it and she seemed to think it was sad.
I couldn't get it - she just can't understand how the situation has no relevance to my immediate life so why would I care.
She said the kid this and that - sorry - don't know it, don't care too, in the grand scheme of the world that I know - it doesn't matter.
Those I care about - I care deeply about and would do anything for.
Those I don't - well it wouldn't make difference if they were here to day and gone tomorrow.
So I know people who say I'm a selfish bastard and at the end of the day - I'm OK with that.
I agree with a lot of this - well damn near all of it.
I am a selfish person and I don't know of one person who would think otherwise. I've got no problem with that either.
If it suits me or those I find dear to me then great - if not and I don't know them - then I really can't find reason to feel anything for them - good, bad or indifferent.
A guy I know at work here - I would consider him a friend but not necessarily a close one - well he and his girlfriend who they have have child together recently spilt up. I told the wife about it and she seemed to think it was sad.
I couldn't get it - she just can't understand how the situation has no relevance to my immediate life so why would I care.
She said the kid this and that - sorry - don't know it, don't care too, in the grand scheme of the world that I know - it doesn't matter.
Those I care about - I care deeply about and would do anything for.
Those I don't - well it wouldn't make difference if they were here to day and gone tomorrow.
So I know people who say I'm a selfish bastard and at the end of the day - I'm OK with that.
Sal
We are a living organism; to think of our lives as special we must realize life is special. It is rational to value life, in general, and more specifically human life. If I see violence towards human life - I get pissed, regardless of whether I knew the victim. If I see someone in a life-threatening situation; I'll be anxious and hopeful for their survival. If I see a dependent in a situation he has no control over, of course there is concern but in the situation you listed above - it is out of your control.
Compassion for others is not a product of selfishness. Compassion for life in general is another feeling all together. Compassion for people that have no interest in our own lives directly is a genuine selfless feeling.
We are a living organism; to think of our lives as special we must realize life is special. It is rational to value life, in general, and more specifically human life. If I see violence towards human life - I get pissed, regardless of whether I knew the victim. If I see someone in a life-threatening situation; I'll be anxious and hopeful for their survival. If I see a dependent in a situation he has no control over, of course there is concern but in the situation you listed above - it is out of your control.
thats all very christian of you brother!! again....i sence the christian inside you...i feel you trying to come out....i'm seeing the day is nearing that you accept god and let the light shine on thee!!!
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
Animal studies show that dogs have a set of morals that they tend to abide by in packs. Stealing isnt cool, there is care and concern for others in the group, etc. Much in the same way humans are.
Morality and integrity dont necessarily exist because God has made rules per se.
thats all very christian of you brother!! again....i sence the christian inside you...i feel you trying to come out....i'm seeing the day is nearing that you accept god and let the light shine on thee!!!
Compassion for others is not a product of selfishness.
I am selfish. I value my life more than anything. I value those that bring joy to my life and in some cases would risk my life to keep from losing those that bring me joy. I am also human and even though I do not value strangers more than my kids or family - that doesn't mean I don't value human life in general. So if someone is in a $hitty situation, I will sympathize for them and if i can help without sacrificing something of greater value (my families well being), I will help them. That is compassion but it is in accord to my rational self-interest; I won't sacrifice something important to me for something of less importance.
Compassion for life in general is another feeling all together. Compassion for people that have no interest in our own lives directly is a genuine selfless feeling.
I disagree. I can be compassionate for people that have no interest in my life and still maintain my rational self interest but a truly selfless act would be ignoring your own value system, e.g. when your own child is in need of new shoes and you also see that a stranger's child is badly in need of some shoes, being selfless would require ignoring your own value system and getting the stranger's kid some shoes. That is self-sacrificing; your sacrificing your higher values for lesser values. Now it is not contradicting your own self-interest if you meet your higher values first. You get your kid some shoes and if all other needs of your family are met, then you get the stranger's kid some shoes.
People throw the term selfless around even when someone is doing the exact opposite. If I risk my life for my son, it's not because I'm selfless, it's because he is one of the greatest values in MY life.
is it just me or does anyone else feel the love in the room? huh? anyone else getting moved by the fact that, as hard as klash try's to deny his lord and savior, he just radiates peace and love on earth toward his fellow man! a trait, most definatly, associated with a true follower of the lord!! CAN YOU FEEL IT? CAN YOU FEEL IT BROTHER AND SISTERS???!!!! CAN I GET AN AHMEN FOR BROTHER KLASH!!! TELL US MORE OF BROTHERLY LOVE BROTHER KLASH!!! PREACH ON MY BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
I am selfish. I value my life more than anything. I value those that bring joy to my life and in some cases would risk my life to keep from losing those that bring me joy. I am also human and even though I do not value strangers more than my kids or family - that doesn't mean I don't value human life in general. So if someone is in a $hitty situation, I will sympathize for them and if i can help without sacrificing something of greater value (my families well being), I will help them. That is compassion but it is in accord to my rational self-interest; I won't sacrifice something important to me for something of less importance.
I disagree. I can be compassionate for people that have no interest in my life and still maintain my rational self interest but a truly selfless act would be ignoring your own value system, e.g. when your own child is in need of new shoes and you also see that a stranger's child is badly in need of some shoes, being selfless would require ignoring your own value system and getting the stranger's kid some shoes. That is self-sacrificing; your sacrificing your higher values for lesser values. Now it is not contradicting your own self-interest if you meet your higher values first. You get your kid some shoes and if all other needs of your family are met, then you get the stranger's kid some shoes.
People throw the term selfless around even when someone is doing the exact opposite. If I risk my life for my son, it's not because I'm selfless, it's because he is one of the greatest values in MY life.
Well said -
I know that I feel great when I give a guy laying on the street my left over pizza that I would have other wise not eaten.
But would I give him my food instead of eating it myself should I be hungry?? Heck no!
I am selfish. I value my life more than anything. I value those that bring joy to my life and in some cases would risk my life to keep from losing those that bring me joy. I am also human and even though I do not value strangers more than my kids or family - that doesn't mean I don't value human life in general. So if someone is in a $hitty situation, I will sympathize for them and if i can help without sacrificing something of greater value (my families well being), I will help them. That is compassion but it is in accord to my rational self-interest; I won't sacrifice something important to me for something of less importance.
I disagree. I can be compassionate for people that have no interest in my life and still maintain my rational self interest but a truly selfless act would be ignoring your own value system, e.g. when your own child is in need of new shoes and you also see that a stranger's child is badly in need of some shoes, being selfless would require ignoring your own value system and getting the stranger's kid some shoes. That is self-sacrificing; your sacrificing your higher values for lesser values. Now it is not contradicting your own self-interest if you meet your higher values first. You get your kid some shoes and if all other needs of your family are met, then you get the stranger's kid some shoes.
People throw the term selfless around even when someone is doing the exact opposite. If I risk my life for my son, it's not because I'm selfless, it's because he is one of the greatest values in MY life.
Klash you're reaching and going in circles now. I was thinking how much you should be a spokesperson for anything until you tried to knock compassion out completely by throwing variables back into the equation to validate your definitions of selfishness and selflessness.
I understand your explanations of where selfishness fits in with human life and our loved ones, etc, etc...
Compassion is simple, and has nothing to do with having to sacrifice your own best interest or that of your loved ones. Because as you've expained very clearly, then your selfish instincts kick in.
But the point; you see someone in a bad situation and feel compassion. a selfless feeling. that's all. Nothing more. I said nothing about some kids shoes or your's. Now once you start throwing your variables in such as loved ones and so on. Then I agree. Your point of selfishness might stand true.
Now there are people all over that do there little "selfless" acts of kindness. We got philanthropist all over. yeah, right...whatever. wheather family is involved or not, they do those acts for the self gratitude. selfish indeed.
Last edited by horsepwr; 06-15-2009, 07:15 PM.
Reason: added (feeling) after selfless explaining the feeling of compassion
I like to throw my old gym shoes underneath the bridge for peeps who might like a "new" pair of sneaks...I guess its selfish cuz I get a warm fuzzy every time...LOL
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