Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

[Scalleywag]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

^I agree with Daved 100%. You are speaking of coincidence and opinion. I have not seen any proof provided by you yet you want Daved to produce proof or atleast a rebuttal. You say that firemen and police heard domoltion style explosives going off before the towers collapsed. Watch the tape. It is clear that the building suffered structurally due to the stress it was put under. They clearly caved in on themselves from the top down. With all of this going on I am sure the police and firemen heard a bunch of esplosions due in large part to the structure failing. If you ever heard a cable give way that is bearing a heavy load you would think it was going to burst your ever drumbs. Now imagine a building of this magnitude failing.

On top of that do you really think they had the time to try and distinguish between an explosion and the structure failing. I seriously doubt it.

[solidground]

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its hard to have complete proof when giuliani had all evidence removed and shipped away, which he should have been fired for..The proof we have shows it was impossible for the buildings to fall due to fire, other then that, all we have is theorys based on experts opinions. On the other hand the gov't has no proof that hijackers stole 5 planes and crahsed them into the wtc and pentagon, 0 proof, no bodies, etc (besides the passport of one of the hijackers that made it through the fire and rubble lol)..ITs impossible to say "heres what happened" but the official story is bogus and as an american its our job to find out the truth to the best of our abilities..

[daved150]

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its hard to have complete proof when giuliani had all evidence removed and shipped away, which he should have been fired for..The proof we have shows it was impossible for the buildings to fall due to fire, other then that, all we have is theorys based on experts opinions. On the other hand the gov't has no proof that hijackers stole 5 planes and crahsed them into the wtc and pentagon, 0 proof, no bodies, etc (besides the passport of one of the hijackers that made it through the fire and rubble lol)..ITs impossible to say "heres what happened" but the official story is bogus and as an american its our job to find out the truth to the best of our abilities..

so, in other words...you might be wrong?

[solidground]

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i might be wrong..but to me theres wayyyy more proof of foul play and an inside job then the common theory the press leads us to believe.I just think the real story is absolutely rediculous and is filled with holes, too many holes to lay back and not ask questions like im supposed to.

[daved150]

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ok...fair enough. i'm gonna go with the your wrong thing. it seems to be working for me. but, should you come across something concrete, i reserve my right to change my position.

[superdog]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

^I agree with Daved 100%. You are speaking of coincidence and opinion. I have not seen any proof provided by you yet you want Daved to produce proof or atleast a rebuttal. You say that firemen and police heard domoltion style explosives going off before the towers collapsed. Watch the tape. It is clear that the building suffered structurally due to the stress it was put under. They clearly caved in on themselves from the top down. With all of this going on I am sure the police and firemen heard a bunch of esplosions due in large part to the structure failing. If you ever heard a cable give way that is bearing a heavy load you would think it was going to burst your ever drumbs. Now imagine a building of this magnitude failing.

On top of that do you really think they had the time to try and distinguish between an explosion and the structure failing. I seriously doubt it.

I saw a video on Youtube that was a Japanese broadcast of footage taken from within WTC 1 or 2 maybe 15-25min before the collapse. You could hear the bangs in the lobby. Sharp popping sounds, like firecracker bang, not gun shot and not boooommm. More like a snapping bang, very fast.

This was a lobby area video, if the building failed from the top, how could we hear that on the bottom floors?

This building (all highrise buildings in the US) are made to withstand a direct hit from a 727. A rarely reported fact. So while the 757 is much larger I find it impossible to imagine that a building damaged on the 85th floor (or somthing like that) started to fail on the 15th floor or below.

Plus there are the sizmic(sp?) reccords, there was a large event seconds before the building`s collapse. Even the building falling didn`t cause the same size report on the richtor scale.

[daved150]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

hey scalleywag...can you field this one..i'm getting wore out, lol

[Scalleywag]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

^...LOL, I am on it!

I saw a video on Youtube that was a Japanese broadcast of footage taken from within WTC 1 or 2 maybe 15-25min before the collapse. You could hear the bangs in the lobby. Sharp popping sounds, like firecracker bang, not gun shot and not boooommm. More like a snapping bang, very fast.

This was a lobby area video, if the building failed from the top, how could we hear that on the bottom floors?

This building (all highrise buildings in the US) are made to withstand a direct hit from a 727. A rarely reported fact. So while the 757 is much larger I find it impossible to imagine that a building damaged on the 85th floor (or somthing like that) started to fail on the 15th floor or below.

Plus there are the sizmic(sp?) reccords, there was a large event seconds before the building`s collapse. Even the building falling didn`t cause the same size report on the richtor scale.

Are you seriously going to use a Youtube video as your source? Don't get me wrong, Youtube has a place for people that want to stage a fake break up with their girlfriends or to do voice overs of the Juggernaut (which is hilarious). I don't think it is the most credible place for news.

You are 100% right that they are designed to take a direct hit from a 727. The problem is they are not designed to with stand a sustained fire from the fuel the airplanes expelled. Plus it was a design. There was no way to test and computers weren't sophiscated enough to give an accurate model of what would really happen. The engineers got it wrong.

I would love to know who in the world has an invisible suit that positioned these explosives. Like Daved said, it would take weeks to rig a building up of this magnitude yet no one said anything or recognized "Dan the Demo Man" setting up TNT. Way too far fetched.

[solidground]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

I would love to know who in the world has an invisible suit that positioned these explosives. Like Daved said, it would take weeks to rig a building up of this magnitude yet no one said anything or recognized "Dan the Demo Man" setting up TNT. Way too far fetched.

there were many drills in the upcoming weeks prior to 9-11 that clear the buidlings floor by floor..How and why did buidling 7 fall? u say its far fetched that thre were explosives but buidling 7 barely had any fires in it..prior to 9-11 a steel building had never fallen due to fire, and theres many that have burned for days..There should be a thorough investigation on what happened to building 7. The 9-11 OMISSION report doesnt even mention building 7

[pigmeat]

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^...LOL, I am on it!

Are you seriously going to use a Youtube video as your source? Don't get me wrong, Youtube has a place for people that want to stage a fake break up with their girlfriends or to do voice overs of the Juggernaut (which is hilarious). I don't think it is the most credible place for news.

You are 100% right that they are designed to take a direct hit from a 727. The problem is they are not designed to with stand a sustained fire from the fuel the airplanes expelled. Plus it was a design. There was no way to test and computers weren't sophiscated enough to give an accurate model of what would really happen. The engineers got it wrong.

I would love to know who in the world has an invisible suit that positioned these explosives. Like Daved said, it would take weeks to rig a building up of this magnitude yet no one said anything or recognized "Dan the Demo Man" setting up TNT. Way too far fetched.

serious though,all you need for blasting cable is 14 gauge 2 strand wire...they could have used some kind of old comunication cable or computer cable that was no longer used..already ran to all the areas of the building...all they had to do is wire in the correct blasting caps, and place the explosives...wouldnt take long...maybe 1 day is believable

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

serious though,all you need for blasting cable is 14 gauge 2 strand wire...they could have used some kind of old comunication cable or computer cable that was no longer used..already ran to all the areas of the building...all they had to do is wire in the correct blasting caps, and place the explosives...wouldnt take long...maybe 1 day is believable

BINGO! YAHTZEE! You got it man. If Securacom had the security contracts to those buildings, that means that also had........Wait for it.........THE F'N BLUEPRINTS!!!!!

Now with months of planning, then doing so called "Security upgrades" which is really the wiring for the explosives they can strategically set everything up.

Finally the weekend before they bring the actual explosives in after the tenants, security with bomb sniffing dogs, and electricity was shut down and evacuated. They had all weekend to connect their actual explosives to the wires they've been setting up for months.

side note........Tenants were reporting odd drilling and construction months before leading up to 9/11. This work was being done on vacant offices that weren't and weren't going to be occupied. They reported many strange construction occurances months before.

How unbelievable is that Daved or Scalley?

Pigmeat you've got it though, hooking up explosives isn't as hard as people want you to believe, especially when you have one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world at your disposal! (However I don't think the actual military had anything to do with it, but Bush's brother could have easily gotten ahold of anything with contacts like Bush & Cheney!)

[Scalleywag]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

OK....There was a comment made that it would not take that many people to pull off a plan such as blowing up the WTC. Therefore not many people that could go to the press about said plan. So I guess that the politicians involved in the plan are also the ones that did all of the drilling and the rigging of explosives. If not then there would have to be a lot more people with "dirty hands". That means now we have the politicians and the explosive engineers in the conspiracy. Out of all of the people that now would have to be involved not one came out as a whistle blower.

This thread is going to 100 posts deep and you will still believe that the govenment is out to get us and Dave and I will still believe that although the system in some areas is flawed it is still the best thing going today. But I do love a friendly debate.

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

OK....There was a comment made that it would not take that many people to pull off a plan such as blowing up the WTC. Therefore not many people that could go to the press about said plan. So I guess that the politicians involved in the plan are also the ones that did all of the drilling and the rigging of explosives. If not then there would have to be a lot more people with "dirty hands". That means now we have the politicians and the explosive engineers in the conspiracy. Out of all of the people that now would have to be involved not one came out as a whistle blower.

This thread is going to 100 posts deep and you will still believe that the govenment is out to get us and Dave and I will still believe that although the system in some areas is flawed it is still the best thing going today. But I do love a friendly debate.

The best thing going today doesn't mean that it doesn't need drastic change! Many conspiracies have happened and it took years for a whistleblower to come out. Your expecting a premature whistleblowing. Give it sometime. It takes people questioning their government, in order to get answers.

If you don't ask the right questions, you don't get the right answers!

[daved150]

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and all this was an insurance scam!!!! i mean, dont get me wrong, i have a WAAAAYYY higher opinion of the men that pulled this scam off! i've done a couple insurance scams in my day, rigging up my car to look stolen, and setting it on fire in the yukapan (fla.). dumping a car for a buddy in the detroit river and making it look like it was stolen...shyt like that. BUT THIS!!! this is the insurance scams of all insurance scams!!! STOP IT!!!!! i'm not trying to knock ya dj...i really do enjoy debating with you, and i find that your very intelegent...BUT, you REALLY believe that??? or, are you just saying IT COULD BE?...kinda like, maybe...dude, i'd be too embarressed to suggest that, this whole thing...THAT WHOLE DAY, was nothing but an insurance scam...i've heard you southern boys believe the moon landing was a hoax filmed in hollywood, but you dont think radacle islamist slammed those buildings with planes???!! i'm sorry to say this, but i believe while your busy watching our government, your denying the fact that these people exist...and while your busy looking at the tree's (u.s. government) your gonna miss the forest (the real threat, terrorist). pay attention brotha....it's a real threat. i hate to say this, but it's not over. it's not just an insurance scam that someone got any with so now we can just go about or day...

[superdog]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

Simple question.

According to FAA records of the flight that hit the pentagon the plane flew within the viewing frame of 6 security cameras.

All film was taken by FBI agents within hours of the crash.

Why has the film not been released to the public?

We saw planes hit WTC 1 & 2 for days on every station. Why was the pentagon strike off limits? Why not release the film? What is the motivation?