Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

[daved150]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

Simple question.

According to FAA records of the flight that hit the pentagon the plane flew within the viewing frame of 6 security cameras.

All film was taken by FBI agents within hours of the crash.

Why has the film not been released to the public?

We saw planes hit WTC 1 & 2 for days on every station. Why was the pentagon strike off limits? Why not release the film? What is the motivation?

are you asking me why footage (by multible camaras, from multible news agencies and multible people, both personal video camara's and cell phone camara's) of the wtc's plane crash (especially tower 2, when all the agencies had people in place) was ran more? why the news agencies would run the video showing the shear distruction of such a massive structure and the death of thousands of people more than any pentagon video they didnt have??? your really asking that?...i dont know, maybe ratings!!! maybe it was the bigger story? i'm just guessing. maybe they didnt have news camaras at the pentagon for any reason, so they didnt have the same footage. are you buying into this insurance scam ideal? do you believe the owner of this building conspired with the government becouse he couldnt afford to remove asbestos?..

[superdog]

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Yo dave relax,

Why has the film footage never been released?

I can direct you to 6 different secruity cameras that had that craft in it`s view. That film was confiscated by the FBI. Why has that footage never been released?

Did you see a 757 hit the pentagon? On any piece of film or anything else?
They released all other footage, why not this footage?

[daved150]

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dude...i'm relaxed...i'm all the mellow!! lol. i dont get phuqed up about this subject, i let everyone else get they're panty's scrunched up...

i'll admit, i havnt really looked to much into the pentagon. but, i did see 5 million camara angles, pictures, cell phone video, cell phone pictures showing 2 planes...2 PLANES, hitting the wtc...are they faked? was that missles also...did i not watch a plane hit on fox 2 tv???
my main argument here has shift focus on to this insurance scam ideal dj had. somehow, we keep going back to the pentagon...s.dog...i ask again...do you believe this was all an insurance scam??? and, now i must ask, what part of this insurance scam had to do with the pentangon?? i'm not debating wether or not something fishy is going on...i'm debating (and have been for the last few post's) wether this was an insurance scam or not...

[solidground]

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noone said silverstein did it for just the insurance money, hes a nwo shill.

[solidground]

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The curious tale of the ‘other’ WTC tower

Kevin Brooker - Calgary Herald
Monday, March 26, 2007

Now that Rosie O’Donnell is trying to table it on The View, I guess we can talk about it here.

First, a news quiz: If, some time after the collapse of World Trade Center towers 1 and 2, a 47-storey office building in a major American city also came crashing to the ground, do you think you’d know about it?

Of course, you would.

But if I were to tell you that such an event actually did happen, could you name that building?

If you are like most North Americans, I’m guessing probably not.

In fact, the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building, which was also known as WTC 7 and stood but two blocks away from ground zero, occurred late in the day on Sept. 11, 2001.

It remains one of the central anomalies in a day filled with anomalies, yet it was treated then, and remains today, at least in official annals, as an insignificant footnote.

Struck by no aircraft, and little debris, WTC 7 nevertheless had small fires mysteriously burning in several of its middle floors. Judging from photographs, one would assume those fires should have been easily contained.

Yet at 5:20 p.m., in a space of 6.5 seconds, or practically at a free-fall rate, WTC 7 collapsed perfectly into its footprint. It should have been big news, if only because it would have been the first steel-frame building in history to collapse due exclusively to fire. But for some reason, reporters gave it a wide berth.

Shortly after 9/11, when Associated Press published a timeline of events called A Stunning 48 Hours of News, WTC 7 was not mentioned at all. Neither was it in the government’s official 9/11 report. And to this day, authorities have only issued an inconclusive draft report as to why the building fell.

Not everyone is so incurious, however. A host of researchers have busily gathered everything they could learn about that day, and WTC 7 in particular.

Though you’re unlikely to have seen it, video of the collapse does exist (and can be found on the Internet). The footage exhibits the hallmarks of controlled demolition, including bursts of dust from what appear to be many tiny explosions and the curtain-like plummeting of the entire structure.

During the brief aftermath before WTC 7 disappeared into the memory hole, CBS anchor Dan Rather showed the video and said, “For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite.”

Many have concluded it was just that. Moreover, they discovered that WTC 7 had unusual tenants, including several floors devoted to each of the FBI, the CIA and mayor Rudy Giuliani’s emergency headquarters. It was also home to a legal branch of the Security and Exchange Commission, which allegedly harboured evidence relating to a number of ongoing investigations of market malfeasance.

A PBS television documentary later showed the WTC’s owner, Larry Silverstein, describing how he reacted that day: ” ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life,’ ” he recalled saying, ” ‘maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

You can read into that what you may, just as you can with the fact that Silverstein’s group had only acquired WTC six months earlier, for $3.2 billion, and bought insurance that for the first time specifically indemnified acts of terrorism. As of last report, Silverstein had collected $4.6 billion.

Finally, from the department of curiouser and curiouser, came another bombshell this year. Researchers unearthed a BBC television report from 9/11 in which the reporter announced the collapse of WTC 7. Strangely, though, the building is still plainly visible over her right shoulder, and would not fall for another 20 minutes.

[DJDIGGLER]

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and all this was an insurance scam!!!! i mean, dont get me wrong, i have a WAAAAYYY higher opinion of the men that pulled this scam off! i've done a couple insurance scams in my day, rigging up my car to look stolen, and setting it on fire in the yukapan (fla.). dumping a car for a buddy in the detroit river and making it look like it was stolen...shyt like that. BUT THIS!!! this is the insurance scams of all insurance scams!!! STOP IT!!!!! i'm not trying to knock ya dj...i really do enjoy debating with you, and i find that your very intelegent...BUT, you REALLY believe that??? or, are you just saying IT COULD BE?...kinda like, maybe...dude, i'd be too embarressed to suggest that, this whole thing...THAT WHOLE DAY, was nothing but an insurance scam...i've heard you southern boys believe the moon landing was a hoax filmed in hollywood, but you dont think radacle islamist slammed those buildings with planes???!! i'm sorry to say this, but i believe while your busy watching our government, your denying the fact that these people exist...and while your busy looking at the tree's (u.s. government) your gonna miss the forest (the real threat, terrorist). pay attention brotha....it's a real threat. i hate to say this, but it's not over. it's not just an insurance scam that someone got any with so now we can just go about or day...

This is why we have never ending debates. You guys never ever take the time to understand what people are saying. You find one thing that pisses you off and don't bother trying to understand what the point is.

The insurance scam part was one of the MANY things that were gained by 9/11! We've already heard how Cheney/Haliburton were gaining alot by going into afghanistan! We all know George jr wanted nothing more than to take Saddam out! Then we also get dibs on their oil. Do you really think we are not harvesting their oil while we're there? Now we're setting up a massive base in Iraq, how else would we have strategically set up a military base in the middle east?

Just for your info, I was born and raised in upstate NY, and I moved to florida when I was 23. I live in Florida but I'm no southern boy!

[DJDIGGLER]

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dude...i'm relaxed...i'm all the mellow!! lol. i dont get phuqed up about this subject, i let everyone else get they're panty's scrunched up...

i'll admit, i havnt really looked to much into the pentagon. but, i did see 5 million camara angles, pictures, cell phone video, cell phone pictures showing 2 planes...2 PLANES, hitting the wtc...are they faked? was that missles also...did i not watch a plane hit on fox 2 tv???
my main argument here has shift focus on to this insurance scam ideal dj had. somehow, we keep going back to the pentagon...s.dog...i ask again...do you believe this was all an insurance scam??? and, now i must ask, what part of this insurance scam had to do with the pentangon?? i'm not debating wether or not something fishy is going on...i'm debating (and have been for the last few post's) wether this was an insurance scam or not...

My god dude you take one point I made and ran with it. I was giving reasons of what they had to gain by the towers falling! Go take a look at the Patriot Act and see what our government gained in power over it's people by 9/11 happening! Have you looked at the gas prices? gee must be just a coincidence that gas prices have soared only after 9/11 happened! Must be just a coincidence that haliburton/cheney needed strategic oil lines ran through afghanistan so we bombed that for them. Must also be a coincidence that after that happened Halliburton moved it's HQ to the middle east! Need I go on?

I love how you guys keep discrediting video's on the internet. You are the governments best friends! You are their model citizens with that type of mindset. They want you to see that all as false! They hate the internet and how it has empowered the people.

I also love that just because some video's that weren't free but were then put on places like youtube and google video so the general public can view it for free means that it is all lies, and false.

I honestly believe if you guys literally sat there WITH AN OPEN FREAKING MIND and watched the video FRONT TO BACK NOT JUST THE FIRST 10 MINUTES that you might actually sit back and say to yourself, "hmmmmmmmm". It doesn't take much to put 2 + 2 together!

[DJDIGGLER]

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But Solid that stuff has made it to the internet so it's all false. Actually I guess that means when you see sports scores on the internet that's false. When I see the weather on the internet that's false.

See my point yet Daved and Scalley? Just because it's on the internet, doesn't make it false.

Btw, good points solid. But ten bucks says they still concentrate on the insurance part again!

and this debate is in good fun so please noone get your panties in a bunch.

[superdog]

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[QUOTE=daved150;789622]i'll admit, i havnt really looked to much into the pentagon. but, i did see 5 million camara angles, pictures, cell phone video, cell phone pictures showing 2 planes...2 PLANES, hitting the wtc...are they faked? was that missles also...did i not watch a plane hit on fox 2 tv???
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Bro, did you read my post?

I`m talking about the pentagon. Have you ever seen a picture of a plane hitting the pentagon?

No. Neither has the rest of the world.

But there were 6 cameras who caught the flightpath of the craft that hit the pentagon. All film was taken by the FBI within hours of the crash.

Why have we never seen a 757 hit the pentagon?

Second, plane crashes leave wreckage, lots of wreckage. I`ll direct you to pictures of the pentagon taken JUST AFTER the hit. There is no plane.

[daved150]

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ok dj, lets get back to the insurance thing (hey, i want my cut of the ten bucks!!) yea, thats what i do, i take a piece of info that is curious to me and i run with it...kinda like some people do with other pieces of info. now you imply the insurance thing was a small bennifit to the whole sceam. before, you implied it was a large part of the program...dude, maybe the reason i dont just fall in line with your opinions, as you'd like for me to do, is that when you convey them your all over the road. (dont get your feathers ruffled!!). it's all about oil, it was an insurance scam, it's about taking our freedoms, it was nwo, it was skull and bones, it's the illuminanti (whatever)...jesus!! pullover, let me off this ride!..i'm black and white bro...black and white. i dont like shades of grey. i will admit, i deal with shades of grey everyday, but i dont like it. alot of what you tell me here is opinion. guesses, circumstantial at best. no, i wont just take the word of someone who posted his opinions on the intrnet.
i believe somethings i see on the net. i dont believe others. i didnt discredit you tube, nor do i believe it's 100% reliable.
dude, (solid) i already said i dont know anything about building 7...between you and me, i dont really care. i never heard it was brought down by explosives, i never heard it wasnt...so? whats you point? they brought it down i guess...they couldnt admit that becouse the insurance wouldnt have paid for it (i'm not being a smartazz...well, a little).
bottom line question for ALL you guys...did terrorist slam 2 planes into the phuqin buildings or not? it's a simple yes-no question...i'm not looking for some long diatribe as to the who or whats, i'm looking for a yes or a no!

(dj...pm me for my addy so you can ship me my 5$)

[daved150]

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i'll admit, i havnt really looked to much into the pentagon. but, i did see 5 million camara angles, pictures, cell phone video, cell phone pictures showing 2 planes...2 PLANES, hitting the wtc...are they faked? was that missles also...did i not watch a plane hit on fox 2 tv???
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Bro, did you read my post?

I`m talking about the pentagon. Have you ever seen a picture of a plane hitting the pentagon?

No. Neither has the rest of the world.

But there were 6 cameras who caught the flightpath of the craft that hit the pentagon. All film was taken by the FBI within hours of the crash.

Why have we never seen a 757 hit the pentagon?

Second, plane crashes leave wreckage, lots of wreckage. I`ll direct you to pictures of the pentagon taken JUST AFTER the hit. There is no plane.

dude...ofcourse i read the post!!! i was trying to explain a possible reason why you didnt see any video of the pentagon...there was no PUBLIC camara's operating in the area!!! dont you get my point...security camara footage was took away by the goverment? noooo, they took away the security footage of a military instilation? i find that so hard to believe! c'mon bro...i never really told anybody here this (atleast i dont think i did) we (my family) owns a truck driving school...we ran 20-25 student a week. 60% were of arab dissent. atleast 50% of those paid with cash. that day, all cash payers did not show for school...none came back...none returned phone calls. we called the fbi. they came in, we handed over the file/logs, and proceded to go over OUR video camara footage of the students. they asked for the video's (as if they wouldnt have cameback with a supeana). we said sure...my point? if they took that video, what makes you think they're gonna give up the video of a military building??!!
but, i did find a video on you tube that showed the plane hitting, search it and you'll find it. but, you cant rely on the you tube (unless it fit's dj's opinions). this video will certainly be discredited by some here, becouse it dos'nt fit into their opinions.

for all to remember...i never said that there wasnt fishy shyt going on surrounding the events. i never said that the events on that day were not used to push ALOT of different people agendas..i just dont believe it was organized NO-WAY to the extent that y'all do...i believe it was an attack on our country, orgastrated by al-quieda, and carried out by fanaticle terrorist.
dj, anything i say on here i hope you never take offensive (refering to the souther boy thing that you thaught was important enough to address and explain that your a newyorker, lol) i was kidding bro...you should now by now i do that...i'm sure alot of the punch gets taken out of the joking jabs when you read it over the internet instead of hearing me say it...but it's all in fun..i mix joking with serious discussion...it's just my way.

with much love to my watchdog homies- dave

[superdog]

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No offense taken bro, don`t sweat it.

About the security cameras. They were placed at regluar private businesses.

One was a gas station that is directly across from the pentagon where it was struck.

One was on the roof of a local hotel.

The six cameras all film continusly. All had a field of range that would have caught the craft.


Why did the FBI take the film? Well, why shouldn`t they.. right?

Why didn`t the government release the film?

[daved150]

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i wouldnt expect them to...i really wouldnt. i dont see alot of confiscated video's getting released to the public...

[solidground]

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or the fact that giuliani was quoted 2 weeks ago saying he had prior knowledge (in different words)..plus all the govt officials that were told not to fly that morning.

[Scalleywag]

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Please not this post again!!!!