Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

[solidground]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

WTC tests positive for THERMATE, a chemical used for cutting steel..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/240407Evidence.htm

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

YES YES YES!!

For all those that believe it wasn't conspiracy, how come you have no good answers for any of the stuff us so called conspiracy theorists post?

[Scalleywag]

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What source do you get your info from? It is just as easy if not easier for an independent source to lie about tests or findings as it is for the national media. What David150 and I are trying to say is that when you get into conspiracies of this magnitude some dude with loose lips is going to run his mouth.

Think about in highschool when you cheated on your girlfriend and only your boys new. Your girlfriend always found out. Older men are no different. If they do something big or out of the ordinary they have to run their mouth.

Plus, I have a real hard time with as many people that would be involed, not one of them saying, "No this is wrong", then blowing the whistle. Not everyone in Washington is a bad person. And even bad people have a limit.

[pigmeat]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

What source do you get your info from? It is just as easy if not easier for an independent source to lie about tests or findings as it is for the national media. What David150 and I are trying to say is that when you get into conspiracies of this magnitude some dude with loose lips is going to run his mouth.

Think about in highschool when you cheated on your girlfriend and only your boys new. Your girlfriend always found out. Older men are no different. If they do something big or out of the ordinary they have to run their mouth.

Plus, I have a real hard time with as many people that would be involed, not one of them saying, "No this is wrong", then blowing the whistle. Not everyone in Washington is a bad person. And even bad people have a limit.

someone who risks going to prison for life is not likely to have "loose lips"! A little diffrent than telling a girl her boyfriend cheated on her,lol. Idont think those nvolved, if any,would go around washington braggng that they killed thousands of civilians...think about it

[Scalleywag]

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Are you saying that your girl finding out you cheated is NOT serious...LOL...(It would ruin my stay at home Dad gig I've got going on).

I understand that it is a wee bit different finding out your boyfriend cheated. What I am saying though is that out of the number of people it would take to carry out a plan like this, it is hard to believe that not one of them has a conscience. Not one decent person in the whole bunch. I just can't phathom that.

I really think that prior to the event someone would have a serious change of heart about killling thousands of husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, and try stopping it from happening.

Are you saying that

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

What source do you get your info from? It is just as easy if not easier for an independent source to lie about tests or findings as it is for the national media. What David150 and I are trying to say is that when you get into conspiracies of this magnitude some dude with loose lips is going to run his mouth.

Think about in highschool when you cheated on your girlfriend and only your boys new. Your girlfriend always found out. Older men are no different. If they do something big or out of the ordinary they have to run their mouth.

Plus, I have a real hard time with as many people that would be involed, not one of them saying, "No this is wrong", then blowing the whistle. Not everyone in Washington is a bad person. And even bad people have a limit.

To all those that think the conspiracy is so far fetched lets put this to rest. Please read my post and each point and give reasons FOR EACH POINT why it is so unbelievable, and why it doesn't make sense. Instead of continually just saying it's BS, back up your claims with good rebuttals, not just vague not directive points.

Now on to your post scalley:

I see your point, and it is very understandable that you would make the assumption it's people running their mouths. But look at the plethora of inconsistencies with the 'Official Report' to what actually happened.

It's kind of like if you have to people try to tell you a story about a fight and one person claims they were 100% innocent, and the other claims that they were partly at fault but the other person instigated which would you believe more? Usually it takes two to start a scuffle, so if one tries to glorify himself and seem perfect, it isn't logical, and thus is not believable.

Using this same logic take a look at the 'Official Report'. Look at how they are making themselves look perfect. Then sit back and ask yourself what they had to gain by 9/11 happening?

1. The owner of the lease on the towers took out huge multi billion dollar policies only months before the attacks.

2. The owner of the lease on the towers was required to remove all fireproofing that contained asbestos to be up to code. The job was estimated at over $1 billion dollars and no insurance company would cover it. So in other words it would be cheaper to tear down the buildings than to fix them. (side note:the owner was awarded $3 Billion per building to rebuild after 9/11. compare that to the $1 billion needed to remove the fireproofing and you'll quickly realize that it wasn't worth fixing a building that was barely worth that much.)

3. Bush's younger brother and during 9/11 his cousin was the CEO of Securacom, the company that had security contracts of the twin towers. The weekend before 9/11 they evacuated the building, ordered all bomb sniffing dogs removed (that were in place since the 93 bombing), and killed the power to both buildings (which shut off all security camera's and sytems) to do internet cable upgrading. I find it quite coincidental that they do this unprecedented evacuation, then two days later the buldings are attacked and the building falls demolition style. With reports from police and fireman alike about bombs going off in the basement, and multiple demolition style explosions going off throughout the building.

4. We were able to interject ourselves into the middle east to set up camp.

5. We all know the Cheney Halliburton connection, and what benefits they had to go to afghanistan.

6. Our government had carte blanche at stripping us of our constitutional rights with the 'Patriot Act' and with the ever so scary (but ridiculous) terror alerts aka scare the crap out of our citizens so they willingly give up their rights in exchange for false safety.

Must I go on? They had much to gain. So again take a look at all of those points and tell me that it's not a tad bit fishy with all of the inconsistencies that took place.

[daved150]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

Are you saying that your girl finding out you cheated is NOT serious...LOL...(It would ruin my stay at home Dad gig I've got going on).

I understand that it is a wee bit different finding out your boyfriend cheated. What I am saying though is that out of the number of people it would take to carry out a plan like this, it is hard to believe that not one of them has a conscience. Not one decent person in the whole bunch. I just can't phathom that.

I really think that prior to the event someone would have a serious change of heart about killling thousands of husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, and try stopping it from happening.

Are you saying that

i still agree 100%...there is absolutley noway on earth that something that big wouldnt come out!!! it came out that some little fbi agent chick in po-dunk, mo. or whatever knew there was warnings about this happening and told her superioers who blew it off!!! now, you think that something BIGGER could be kept a secret?? no-friggin-way!!!
i'm not saying that politician are angels...i'm not saying that the adminastration didnt capitalize on the event to further push their agenda and take us to war..i'm just saying that i believe radical islamist's, back by osama binladin and alquida (sp?) was the ones that flew the planes into the buildings!! building 7?..i dont know..i'll admit, i wasnt (still aint) really all that intrested in how it came down. maybe it was a threat to fall, so they knocked it down...whatever.

[DJDIGGLER]

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i still agree 100%...there is absolutley noway on earth that something that big wouldnt come out!!! it came out that some little fbi agent chick in po-dunk, mo. or whatever knew there was warnings about this happening and told her superioers who blew it off!!! now, you think that something BIGGER could be kept a secret?? no-friggin-way!!!
i'm not saying that politician are angels...i'm not saying that the adminastration didnt capitalize on the event to further push their agenda and take us to war..i'm just saying that i believe radical islamist's, back by osama binladin and alquida (sp?) was the ones that flew the planes into the buildings!! building 7?..i dont know..i'll admit, i wasnt (still aint) really all that intrested in how it came down. maybe it was a threat to fall, so they knocked it down...whatever.

Ok put go through the numbered points I listed and tell me how each one of those points is wrong or why it is far fetched. Instead of continually giving vague statements, I challenge you and any that are against the so called conspiracy theory, to give a rebuttal to each one of my numbered points.

I would be quite amazed if you would be able to!

[solidground]

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What David150 and I are trying to say is that when you get into conspiracies of this magnitude some dude with loose lips is going to run his mouth.

you relate this with telling your friends about a girl, it cant be related..these people have common long term goals of a nwo, and they will do nothing to compromise their achievement..I believe theres only about 10-20 people who knew exactly what was gonna happen, (but im sure alot more knew some type for pearl harbour event was coming) thats why i voted NO for was our govt responsible..its not like theres hundreds of people who knew what was gonna happen..it was orchestrated by "Al Qaida" (al CIA da) which was trained by certain members of the CIA, and funded by the illuminati.

dont know..i'll admit, i wasnt (still aint) really all that intrested in how it came down. maybe it was a threat to fall, so they knocked it down...whatever.

By saying that you just said it was an inside job..a demolition= foreknowledge due to the amnt of time it takes to wire explosives correctly.

[daved150]

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Must I go on? They had much to gain. So again take a look at all of those points and tell me that it's not a tad bit fishy with all of the inconsistencies that took place.

please dont!! lol

bro, are you claimming this conspirecy even goes all the way down to the building owner?? come on....all these people got together somewhere and put this together in order to avoid paying to clear the asbestos from the buildings? government officials decided it would be nice to help him out with this? i think there was plenty of tenate's paying rent! and then, with the owners consent (becouse he needed to clear the asbestos), they could bring down the buildings, killing a couple thousand people (potentianly many more), and use that for a pretence for war...and, if that wasnt going to be enough for the american people to back a war (witch, it most certainly wouldve) they decide to also throw a missle at the pentagon and slam a plane into a field in penn. just to make sure? see my point? it dosnt make sence. i believe they took advantage of the tragety in order to go to war with iraq.

[daved150]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

1 coinciedence...i just got insurance...if my lott burns down, did i plan it? i would more likely believe he got the insurance knowing the asbestos check was coming and was trying to cover his butt!

2 dude...your implying the towers coming down was an insurance scam?...come on!

3. YOU find it quite coincedental...so would a jury...no proof of anything there

4. i agree that our government took advantage of a terrible tragady to further their agenda

5. i agree, chaney was licking his lips...ready to take full advantage of the situation

6. you want me to address this?? ok...i think your right...
i addressed your points...please dont get upset that i did not give you the answers you wanted (i never was one to tell people what they want to hear just becouse they wanted to hear it)

[solidground]

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^ look up Larry Silverstein...h admitted on PBS in 2001 that he had the building pulled, he took out a huge insurance policy only 2 weeks before 9-11 on the wtc and sears tower, and made a few billion..also research what hes about, and it no longer seems far fetched..Hes a Zionist p.o.s imo, whether or not he knew about the event.

[DJDIGGLER]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

please dont!! lol

bro, are you claimming this conspirecy even goes all the way down to the building owner?? come on....all these people got together somewhere and put this together in order to avoid paying to clear the asbestos from the buildings? government officials decided it would be nice to help him out with this? i think there was plenty of tenate's paying rent! and then, with the owners consent (becouse he needed to clear the asbestos), they could bring down the buildings, killing a couple thousand people (potentianly many more), and use that for a pretence for war...and, if that wasnt going to be enough for the american people to back a war (witch, it most certainly wouldve) they decide to also throw a missle at the pentagon and slam a plane into a field in penn. just to make sure? see my point? it dosnt make sence. i believe they took advantage of the tragety in order to go to war with iraq.

Right because big business and government don't go hand in hand! Are you actually saying that big business doesn't pay for politicians to run for office? Do you honestly think they are not all helping each other behind closed doors? Look at all of the politicians that have been caught cheating the american public to help special interests. Now you know what they say, for every 1 you catch there are 10 they didn't.

Why is it so far fetched that big business had something to do with it. It's different to have your own opinion on something. It's a whole different ballgame when you answer things with very general vague statements. I still haven't seen one shred of evidence, or a hardcore rebuttal to any of the points I made.

Okay so we went into Iraq because Saddam had WMD's. Bush & Cheney both said they are absolutely positive he had WMD's. That was their basis for Iraq! It had nothing to do with 9/11, yet the american government accepted it. Why? Because of terrorists! Oh no the boogie men are coming! What next, vampires will attack so we must eradicate all with sharp k9 teeth? Come on, your governments claims, and stories are a hell of a lot more far fetched than the so called conspiracy theories!

[daved150]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

^ look up Larry Silverstein...h admitted on PBS in 2001 that he had the building pulled, he took out a huge insurance policy only 2 weeks before 9-11 on the wtc and sears tower, and made a few billion..also research what hes about, and it no longer seems far fetched..Hes a Zionist p.o.s imo, whether or not he knew about the event.

he maybe a zionist p.o.s. in your opinion but, as you admit, that dosent mean he knew anything about anything...he got insurance....it very well may be simple as that!!

[daved150]

Re: Did the U.S. government plan and carry out the attacks of September 11th?

dude, as much as i like you, we're never going to see eye to eye on this...
you say, "I still haven't seen one shred of evidence, or a hardcore rebuttal to any of the points I made."...bro, you didnt state anything but an opinion, not a point! you have no proof that the wtc disaster was an insurance scam!! so far you've proved that he took out an insurance policy...hardley enough proof for a conviction. so for point 1 & 2...give me a break. no-one can give proof either way. it's speculation...it's your opinion.
point #3 is you finding something "quite coincidental"!! you want a rebutal on the coincidence? what? again...your of the opinion that this was done so they (whoever) had time to rig the place for a controlled demolition....ok. nobody noticed the place being wired for that? and it only took a couple days to rig this joint (wtc's) for this...both building's...you believe this? i'm no expert in demolition, but i'm thinking it may take a little longer than 2 days to rig 2 building's this massive to come down. expecially (sp?) if your doing it on the hush-hush, so no-one finds out..
#4...ummmm, yes. i still agree that our government took advantage of a tragedy to bring us over to the middle east...if your looking for a rebutle, thats the best your getting
#5 i dont disagree with so why do you want me to argue...i'm starting to think you have debating fixation issue's, lol (j/k)
#6...i really dont know how to respond to this...i certainly cant give you a rebutle...the patriot act was passed and i think it's been abused.

there's your points i'm trying to discuss with you dj. alot of it is opinion. 4,5,6? we're not in total disagreement about. 1&2 is an absolute opinion for wich you have no hard evidence and i tried to address #3...i dont expect you to really reply to this (not being nasty) becouse there's really nothing you can say...it's opinions bro...and you know what they say about those...