Am I a Racist?

[Stout1]

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DAMN STRAIGHT!!! I can't stand that crap! Where is the equality in all of that? I always mention those points and noone ever has a good rebuttal to it, except we were slaves blah, blah, blah.

I love how whites supposedly owe black people because of slavery. Yet it was white people and a white leader (abraham lincoln) that freed the black slaves. So in other words black people are saying that they are ungreatful for the fact that white people freed them from the whites that enslaved them. So why do all whites owe black people again?

I went to Lowe's and this black manager was talking to a black customer. He seemed real nice. When he was finished and came to me he was an absolute jerk. I finally said to him "I see what's going on here, your treating me like this because your a racist!"

He said "RACIST!? I can't be racist! I'm black!!"

I said "Saying that alone makes you racist! What only white people can be racist against black people? Are you saying black people can't be racist?"

He then said "I'm gonna walk away before I punch your white asss!"

I said "Yeah smart idea, funny thing is If I were to of made the same comment I would've been the racist one!"

Felt good to turn the table for once! Everyone around was laughing there asses off and said it was great to finally hear a white guy say that!

Don't get me wrong I am far from racist. I'm very very passionate about equality between all races and both sexes. I get very frustrated when I see someone shunned or disrespected for their color. I'll be the first to defend them! But I'm getting absolutely tired of minorities taking advantage of shiit! It needs to stop!

What you mention is a small population of African-American people. You can't take or can take any group of any culture and say something negative about them. There are blacks that think we owe them and their are blacks that think we do too much. You have every side of the coin and then some so i don't see how grouping one culture in any way, shape, or form does any good or even makes sense. You just can't categorize such a large group of people into a single uniform consensus.

[mr.nitro]

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ive lived in the ghetto, and ive seen the real life steriotypes also. the poorest and least educated people in the ghetto are spanish and black. its not my fault, I didn't make it that way. but the difference between them and i is that im not happy living like that and they don't seem to care. no ones holding anyone back. if you want to succede you will , if you don't give a crap youll never go anywhere.

and I don't even care . its just the way it is. but don't give anyone handouts that I can't have just because they are a different color. if the goverment is going to give them free funding for school, then I want some too.thats equality.

[Stout1]

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Yeah, it doesn't bother me, it just seems silly to form isolated groups when in fact your goal is unity. If I want to get to know people, I don't hang out with people I already know. That defeats the purpose. IMO

Growing up in ATL I've seen some really bad racism on both sides. The people who seemed to be the worse were the ones who never ventured out of their comfort zone and actually got to know the people they stereotyped. Not all Blacks are ghetto gangbangers and not all whites are redneck crackers, but in certain areas of the south, that's what people believe. Since I was born in Sacramento, I was introduced to different cultures as a kid. My two best friends as a little kid was this little balck kid and this little hispanic kid. So, I never really understood the hate by color mentality, until I got to ATL. You make the wrong turn down the wrong street and you will soon find yourself in a position where you are being judged by your color for no reason. You go through that enough times and you begin to start to have negative feelings for certain people. But, here in Colorado, man I have no issues with anyone. There isn't any racism here. There's no history of it. Even people who came from areas where there was a history of it can tell, it's not an issue here. It makes things very nice.

What about the different cultures of "white" people? Here in St. Louis we have "The Hill" a notriously Italian area of the city with of course Italian Immigrants and tons of Italian shops and places too eat.

Are you saying that they are being racist b/c they want to surrond themselves with similair people and cultures from their homeland?

No one wants to be "odd man out".

Now I do think that having a seperate Black Beauty Pageant and things of that nature are a bit absurb, but I also believe that we, as white people, or rather or SOME of our ancestors have helped cause the plight of the African american people and I do think that SOME grants/help shoudl be given. How much is SOME help. That's hard to say. Some abuse it and some don't get it.

[Stout1]

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But that's the point they are purposely setting up stuff for themselves only. Like you said BET should be called something else, not because it should really bother us, but because people would be up in arms if there was a WET!

The government automatically awards contracts for construction jobs to any company with the most amount of minorities. Go on a government site and do a race count. I've got some family that are head foremans and they tell me all about the bull**** government minority favoring!

Also white people cannot join any of these groups. I'm not eligible to get a grant from the united negro college fund because I'm not black. Now if we had a fund like that we would be racist. Why are they allowed?

That's the problem with all of this political correctness in the world. Society has forced it down our throats that it's ok for every race to seperate themselves from society and make color specific clubs, organizations, funds, or programs. But it's not okay for white people to do it. That's a complete double standard and is about as hypocritical as it gets.

Did you know that they have a miss black usa? If there was a miss white usa there would be black people in bus loads picketing outside screaming racism.

It's just complete trash!

You think that blacks being enslaved for several hundred years will just fix it self in less than fifty years? If you remember your history then blacks just got some rights around 50 years ago. Before that they had **** and were technically free, but with no rights, before that they were slaves. you think that this "problem" just fixes itself in fifty years (as thats bout when they started to get their rights as whites do).

That is why they have affirmative action. To help people less fortunate and that were basically taken advantage of. Now does affirmitave action always work. No, but it does some good more than it does bad and if you can't see past this then I don't know how else to exlpain it to you.

[Stout1]

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Well, i will say this, everyone wants equality, right? So why does everyone feel the need to have isolated groups. When groups have things like the 'Black Movie Awards', that tells me they don't really want equality. IMO

If any group really wants to be equal, they wouldn't keep going out of their way to segregate themselves. I'll give one more example and end on this....FUBU clothing, stands for For Us By Us. Yeah, that's the attitude of someone who wants equality alright. LOL

Once again your taking a SMALL part of the group and judging EVERYONE like that.

What does FUBU and Black Movie Awards have to do with the African American culture as a whole? Probably about as much as the Ku Klux Klan has to do with "white" people as a whole. Not ****.

[Stout1]

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I agree on all points. I'm not singling out any one person or one race in particular. But what I'm saying is, think about this. Why can a black comediene look out in the audience and say something like "Y'all are crazy crackers in here!". But if a white man says "You all are some crazy niggers in here!", he's made out to be a racist. Look at Jackie Mason in Vegas. Jimmy the Greek. Why are there double standards? Why can't I start a White Entertainment Channel? I'd have Al Sharptons fat ass on my front step protesting.

Black people don't get a free pass but you know what's comedy and what isn't. You can tell when someone is joking and isn't. I can't think of any popular "white" comedians that do jokes of African American culture but I've seen some **** on HBO with some no name white comedians making fun of both BLACK AND WHITE. You can tell when people joke and when they are serious.

Why can't you start a White Ent Tv? Well there are already about fifty of them. Look at your local news, Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC. All for the most part white.

Why are their double standards? Why is it okay for a guy to **** 10 women and be considered a "man"? Then why is it that a woman that ****s 10 guys is a *****? You tell me why there is double standards, there is in a lot of things in life. It's all in how you view it.

[Stout1]

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I find it funny, but if people were 100% honest on here, I would dare to ask the question of how many people here grew up in perfect utopic white America? It's usually the ones who grew up in the $500,000 house with the maid, and mommy and daddy's matching BMW's that are the ones that look at every angle of the racism thing. They say how bad it is, and make excuses for the minorities, which is happening here. However, those of us who grew up in less than perfect utopic white America conditions are more realists. I went to a high school where the ratio of blacks to whites was 2-1. My old neighborhood where I was born, I wouldn't even walk down the street during the day time now. I've LIVED the stereotypes. I've seen them with my own 2 eyes, and heard them with my own 2 ears. Being a white boy in a lower middle class home, it drove me to be a better person. It made me get a college degree and do something with my life. How come other less fortunate ones can't? Is it laziness?

Less forutante one's can't? Who said less fortunate people aren't making it.

But it's simple you grow up in a certain type of enviroment and culture your MORE THAN LIKEY to be a by product of that type of enviroment. If your parents worked barely above minimum wage jobs, had no education, no nothing really, then what kind of values are they going to instill in their children? Probably the same values they have, slim to none. Its a vivious cycle.

[Stout1]

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I love how whites supposedly owe black people because of slavery. Yet it was white people and a white leader (abraham lincoln) that freed the black slaves. So in other words black people are saying that they are ungreatful for the fact that white people freed them from the whites that enslaved them. So why do all whites owe black people again?

Lincoln wasn't for freeing the slaves or agains freeing the slaves. History for the most part tells a half-truth. Lincoln wanted to do WHAT EVER was best to keep the union in tact. If it meant keeping slavery to keep the Union together then he would of done it. If it meant abolishing slavery to keep the Union he would of done that too.

http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/04/guelzo.html

This is part of a letter Lincoln wrote:

"my paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free ALL the slaves. Basically if you had slaves and didn't go to the Confederate side, which meant you stayed in the Union you could keep your slaves.

In addition, the document he issued only freed slaves where the federal government had no power. It did not apply to slaves in the loyal slave states or in those parts of the Confederacy under Union control.

[Stout1]

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IWHITE PEOPLE FREED THE SLAVES!!!!! WHAT IS THERE TO FEEL BAD ABOUT? THEY SHOULD BE KISSING THEIR LUCKY STARS WE CAME TO THEIR RESCUE! BUT INSTEAD OUR THANKS IS HAVING LESS RIGHTS THAN THEM?????

What is there to feel bad about? Try several hundred years of torture, inhumane treatment, basicaly you WERE property and your a human being. That's what there is to feel bad about.

We as "white" people have LESS rights than blacks? I didn't know blacks had more rights than us.

[3Vandoo]

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Ah the politically correctness of the western world brings a nice level of pussification of the majority, especially on the white male caucasian middle class!

[angryoldman]

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Ah the politically correctness of the western world brings a nice level of pussification of the majority, especially on the white male caucasian middle class!

Yup Yup

[T-Man007]

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Once again your taking a SMALL part of the group and judging EVERYONE like that.

What does FUBU and Black Movie Awards have to do with the African American culture as a whole? Probably about as much as the Ku Klux Klan has to do with "white" people as a whole. Not ****.

I don't know where you grew up but I grew up in ATL and I can promise you, this is the majority. Maybe not where you live, but it is where I lived so based on my personal expereinces, this is not the small group.

If you don't know what FUBU and Black Movie Awards have to do with AA culture, then you need to get to know more black people. I know a lot of them and to them, it's a HUGE deal. To them it's THEIR thing that THEY have.

And how you can compare the KKK to white people as the FUBU is to black people I dont' know. The percentage of black people who support and wear FUBU clothing grossly out numbers the percentage of white people who support or are part of the KKK. LOL FUBU and the Black Movie Awards mean more the AA than you think.

[T-Man007]

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What is there to feel bad about? Try several hundred years of torture, inhumane treatment, basicaly you WERE property and your a human being. That's what there is to feel bad about.

We as "white" people have LESS rights than blacks? I didn't know blacks had more rights than us.

Ok, first off, it was 400 years. And second, the very most important fact of all, no blacks would have EVER been sold as slaves if their fellow Africans didn't kidnap them and sell them to the English to start with. This is a historical fact. So, if they want to be pissed at being slaves, which I would, they should go to the source, Africa, where the whole damn thing started.

It puzzles me up to no end how much the ancestors of slaves cherish their African roots, yet it was Africans who kidnapped their ancestors and sold them to the English for bronze and other metals not commonly found in Africa.

[T-Man007]

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And here is one more thing to think about....just imagine for one minute....what if slavery never happened, what if slaves were never sold to the English and then sold to the US? Where would Africans be today? They would be dieing off my the millions every month due to AIDS and all the other crap over there. If you really want to think about it logically, those men and women who were sold into slavery paved the way for Africans to ultimately have a much better life. Think about it, if there was no slave trade, there would be so few Africans in this country that they could very well not even have the rights they have today. Without guys lik Martin Luther King and all them to fight for their rights. Think about it, just think about how Africans would be treated today if there was less than 5% of what there is today in this country.

[Rolsroyce]

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What about the different cultures of "white" people? Here in St. Louis we have "The Hill" a notriously Italian area of the city with of course Italian Immigrants and tons of Italian shops and places too eat.

Are you saying that they are being racist b/c they want to surrond themselves with similair people and cultures from their homeland?

No one wants to be "odd man out".

Now I do think that having a seperate Black Beauty Pageant and things of that nature are a bit absurb, but I also believe that we, as white people, or rather or SOME of our ancestors have helped cause the plight of the African american people and I do think that SOME grants/help shoudl be given. How much is SOME help. That's hard to say. Some abuse it and some don't get it.

OK stout, if you want to take it all the way back then why not say that if black people were never brought here they would never have the opportunities they have now. And if I remember right they were sold to whites by there own people. In todays time there is no need to have anyone get treatment over the other. Like affirmative action, all that doesnt is discriminate against white men. If you are not qualified then you shouldnt get the job just because you are the right color or gender. This discussion can go on forever but as long as each of us try to make the world better ,thats all we can do.