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Ok, first off, it was 400 years. And second, the very most important fact of all, no blacks would have EVER been sold as slaves if their fellow Africans didn't kidnap them and sell them to the English to start with. This is a historical fact. So, if they want to be pissed at being slaves, which I would, they should go to the source, Africa, where the whole damn thing started.
It puzzles me up to no end how much the ancestors of slaves cherish their African roots, yet it was Africans who kidnapped their ancestors and sold them to the English for bronze and other metals not commonly found in Africa.
You are a logical thinker I will admit, but look at the big picture. Who went looking for what? Both are just as guilty. If you hire a hit man to kill someone are you not at fault as well? The Europeans were smart, they played the Africans just as they played the Indians in North America. They were true conquerors and conquered.
I don't know where you grew up but I grew up in ATL and I can promise you, this is the majority. Maybe not where you live, but it is where I lived so based on my personal expereinces, this is not the small group.
If you don't know what FUBU and Black Movie Awards have to do with AA culture, then you need to get to know more black people. I know a lot of them and to them, it's a HUGE deal. To them it's THEIR thing that THEY have.
And how you can compare the KKK to white people as the FUBU is to black people I dont' know. The percentage of black people who support and wear FUBU clothing grossly out numbers the percentage of white people who support or are part of the KKK. LOL FUBU and the Black Movie Awards mean more the AA than you think.
That's just ATL. I don't care about FUBU or black movie awards. I don't even know when it is held. I never heard anyone I know get excited about Black Movie Awards.
I think its the majority of the people that makes blacks look so bad .I worked in the projects at liquor stores and grocery and there are some ignorant people .Not all ,but some that just makes people go against them, cause it happens so often ! There are good blacks out there but it seems like some of them grew up hating white folks from the start/ past (cause of slavery and its a white mans world)and there grandparents told there grandparents what happened and so forth !Alot has to do with parents raising them and there not in the same ballpark as we are so I think there mentality in life is different .There will always be racism and people just need to grow up and move on ! Thats just what I think imo .
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And here is one more thing to think about....just imagine for one minute....what if slavery never happened, what if slaves were never sold to the English and then sold to the US? Where would Africans be today? They would be dieing off my the millions every month due to AIDS and all the other crap over there. If you really want to think about it logically, those men and women who were sold into slavery paved the way for Africans to ultimately have a much better life. Think about it, if there was no slave trade, there would be so few Africans in this country that they could very well not even have the rights they have today. Without guys lik Martin Luther King and all them to fight for their rights. Think about it, just think about how Africans would be treated today if there was less than 5% of what there is today in this country.
Dude....you actually 100% believe that the problems in Africa today with AIDS and tribal/ethnic wars were not brought to the land by the colonization of Europeans in Africa? You actually 100% believe that Africans wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for slavery? If you didn't know Africa existed long before Europeans sailed out and found it. Where is Egypt located? You are a biblical man. You know a lot of the stories took place in Egypt, somalia, Ethiopia Eritea..etc.... You are mixing up reasoning with common sense.
Lincoln wasn't for freeing the slaves or agains freeing the slaves. History for the most part tells a half-truth. Lincoln wanted to do WHAT EVER was best to keep the union in tact. If it meant keeping slavery to keep the Union together then he would of done it. If it meant abolishing slavery to keep the Union he would of done that too.
The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free ALL the slaves. Basically if you had slaves and didn't go to the Confederate side, which meant you stayed in the Union you could keep your slaves.
Word. Props for you. I remember reading that back in 8th grade history glass. Never covered it again in High school or college though.
You are a logical thinker I will admit, but look at the big picture. Who went looking for what? Both are just as guilty. If you hire a hit man to kill someone are you not at fault as well? The Europeans were smart, they played the Africans just as they played the Indians in North America. They were true conquerors and conquered.
Ok, I'm not down playing what happened, I'm jsut stating the facts. The English had metals that Africa didn't and they were willing to trade their own people for those metals. That's all I'm saying.
I used to have superhuman powers....until my therapist took them away.
I grew up in the rich area, with the rich parents, and I don't look at it from every angle sticking up for minorities! My school had 2 black people in it and that was from k-12!! It was almost completely white! Plus all the surrounding area's had very similar percentages as my town did.
My point is I feel it has nothing to do with your upbringing, but more with your personality. My parents are racist, I am not. Actually my entire family is racist, I'm basically the only non-racist person in the family.
I get sick of people sticking up for minorities when they segregate themselves with all of these clubs, programs, funds etc. Noone ever has a good rebuttal to the points both angry and I mentioned. They just beat around the bush, and say it's all okay just like society taught them to do. It's not acceptable by any means, and I don't see why everyone is so accepting of it.
If minorities are pushing for equal rights, than they should expect equal rights to white people, not rights that are better than those of white people. Because that would then make them superior not equal. So this fight for equality is actually a fault to one up white people.
Plus all this crap about feeling bad for them?! WHITE PEOPLE FREED THE SLAVES!!!!! WHAT IS THERE TO FEEL BAD ABOUT? THEY SHOULD BE KISSING THEIR LUCKY STARS WE CAME TO THEIR RESCUE! BUT INSTEAD OUR THANKS IS HAVING LESS RIGHTS THAN THEM?????
Like I mentioned before I will fight for any minority if I feel they are being discriminated against solely because of their color or ethnicity. But I would fight for them to have equal rights, I wouldn't fight for them to have it better off than I do! Why should they get a break, and I don't? Life is just as hard for me as it is for them!
See I would of swore you were racist until I read your responses to Byron's post and just realized you just have a strong choice of words and you are very opinionated. But I will say you are just like the black people that I dislike such as ..."The angry black guy" who thinks the world owes him something but you're the opposite you're the "angry white guy" who thinks all blacks are the "angry black guy" and should be kissing your ass.
Dude....you actually 100% believe that the problems in Africa today with AIDS and tribal/ethnic wars were not brought to the land by the colonization of Europeans in Africa? You actually 100% believe that Africans wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for slavery? If you didn't know Africa existed long before Europeans sailed out and found it. Where is Egypt located? You are a biblical man. You know a lot of the stories took place in Egypt, somalia, Ethiopia Eritea..etc.... You are mixing up reasoning with common sense.
I think you are missing the point bro. I never said that Africans would not exist. I never said that Africa would not have tribal/ethic wars. As a matter of fact, I never said anything abotu tribal/ethic wars. How could no one know that Africa existed before Europeans foudn it? Africans date back eariler than any other region of the world. Way before there ever was a Europe, there was Africa. I don't get that question because it doesn't relate to anythign I said. I know where Egypt is, and again, I didn't say anything about there being no Africa. I'm just not understandign where you are coming from. I think you are misunderstanding my comment. I stated simply, where would Africans be if not for the slave trade? Simple, they would mostly be in Africa. Other than a few small few who are able to leave, the rest would still be there. Thus, resulting in the US being more like the rest of the Western world, where we all know there is much lower percentage of blacks than in this country. The reason the percentage is so much higher here is because of the slave trade. That's all I'm saying, I don't know where you are coming from that the whole Egypt thing and Europeand discoverign Africa thing is coming from.
I used to have superhuman powers....until my therapist took them away.
I wouldn't call it laziness, I would call it products of hteir environment. Statistically, more people in low to lower middle class don't accomplish any more than their parents did. It's just the facts. They aren't taught it at home, they aren't taught it at school and they aren't taught it by their freinds. They develope a mentality of 'this is as good as it gets'. Most of them that is. There are the few who refuse to accept it, and those are the ones, like yourself, who achieve more than their parents did. The same is true for upper class kids, most of them will follow in the shoes of their parents, but, a select few will grow up to be dead beats with no will or desire but to wait until mommy and daddy kick the bucket so they don't have to work. I would be willing to bet that the percentage of low income kids who fight their environment is about the same as that of the upper class kids.
Most kids are going to buy into what they see their parents accomplish, that's just a fact. They buy into the idea that they can't do any better, and why wouldn't they? It's not like they have anyone to tell them any differently. That's one thing I will give the state of Georgia big props for, the HOPE schollarship. It basically goes like this; any kid who graduates high school in Georgia with a B average or higher can get a free college tuition. All they have to do is maintain that B average throughout college and the state will pick up the tab. That is by far the best program out there. It tells kids, 'it doesn't matter who you are, or where you come from, just get a B average and the doors to a college education are available to you'. That's it. Now, there has been some changes though. The University of Georgia used to be a pretty easy school to get into, but when this HOPE schollarship thing kicked in, the University was losing money. So, they raised the entrace SAT score, and kept raising and kept raising and now, you have to have a1360 just get into UGA. But, and this is another great thing about the Georgia college system, a student can go to a community college that in the Georgia college system for two years and transfer to one of the major Universities or Technological schools and have all their credits transfer too.
The only think stopping kids in Georgia from achieving their dreams is them. All they have to do is their school work, study, get a free college education and them go get the job they want. That's it. Just think about all the kids who do all that and can't go to college because their parents can't afford the tuition. I'm actually surprised that more low income families don't move to Georgia just so their kids could take advantage of these things.
In FL we have that same scholarship system you described. Out here it's called Florida Bright Futures. The same goes with the community college deal as well. There is no reason why anyone can't get a Batchelors degree. Absolutely no reason unless you have some mental handicap and can't make a 3.0 GPA. My family and I are immigrants from Europe. I was raised in the ghetto both of my parents earned minimum wage and there was always the language barrier. I always wanted to exceed and I have gone way past anything my parents could have accomplished and I owe it to my folks for moving to the US. What I noticed from my "black american" friends and "black immigrant" friends is that us immigrants never blame the "white man." I guess it's because we nor our parents nor grandparents grew up in the civil rights era when things weren't equal, so we aren't being filled with all of that negative hype. We just know what we know from tv and other media. I think that whole era before civil rights caused a lot negative feelings and it just gets recycled generation after generation. I don't know what to say about white kids who grew up in the ghetto too who aren't succeeding as well when they also have the same opportunities. What I find weird is that were I work I am the only black engineer under the age of 40 (I'm 26) and most of my co-workers (blacks and whites) have kids who aren't doing much with their lives. I find it very strange given the opportunities that there are!
I guess I will be the first to admit that when I was growing up I lived in a pretty much all white area except for asians that were well off. B/c of stereotypes when i saw a black person in school (I think I was in 5th grade) the first thing I though of was the show cops where the majority of the people that were being arrested were black. Stereotypes that are shown on the tele, played out in the media made me think that the majority of black were criminals, which is obviously not true. criminals come in all shapes and colors. Only with education and experience I was able to see that. The uneducated will continue to bread hatred for minorities to the extreme. Stereotypes still play on how people think and influences most people. People like Jesse Jackson go to far imo. I really dont know where I am going with this but I think with the terms asian american, african american, etc. we will never be fully united as Americans. Its great to have pride for where your family has come from, my dad is straight off the boat and I am the first generation to be born here in the states so I am proud to be an american but I am not going to call my self anything other then american I was born here and I will die here and I will first defend this country.
SOrry this is a lot of thoughts scrambled together
I think you are missing the point bro. I never said that Africans would not exist. I never said that Africa would not have tribal/ethic wars. As a matter of fact, I never said anything abotu tribal/ethic wars. How could no one know that Africa existed before Europeans foudn it? Africans date back eariler than any other region of the world. Way before there ever was a Europe, there was Africa. I don't get that question because it doesn't relate to anythign I said. I know where Egypt is, and again, I didn't say anything about there being no Africa. I'm just not understandign where you are coming from. I think you are misunderstanding my comment. I stated simply, where would Africans be if not for the slave trade? Simple, they would mostly be in Africa. Other than a few small few who are able to leave, the rest would still be there. Thus, resulting in the US being more like the rest of the Western world, where we all know there is much lower percentage of blacks than in this country. The reason the percentage is so much higher here is because of the slave trade. That's all I'm saying, I don't know where you are coming from that the whole Egypt thing and Europeand discoverign Africa thing is coming from.
Well I was mostly responding to the part in bold below Africans dying of AIDS and other crap. The AIDS and other crap are tribal/ethnic wars that are a result of colonization. The rest I got carried away about and may not related to your hypothetical question.
And here is one more thing to think about....just imagine for one minute....what if slavery never happened, what if slaves were never sold to the English and then sold to the US? Where would Africans be today? They would be dieing off my the millions every month due to AIDS and all the other crap over there. If you really want to think about it logically, those men and women who were sold into slavery paved the way for Africans to ultimately have a much better life. Think about it, if there was no slave trade, there would be so few Africans in this country that they could very well not even have the rights they have today. Without guys lik Martin Luther King and all them to fight for their rights. Think about it, just think about how Africans would be treated today if there was less than 5% of what there is today in this country.
Ok, I'm not down playing what happened, I'm jsut stating the facts. The English had metals that Africa didn't and they were willing to trade their own people for those metals. That's all I'm saying.
Well why were they willing to trade the metals. You don't trade unless you want something. That is all I am saying.
In FL we have that same scholarship system you described. Out here it's called Florida Bright Futures. The same goes with the community college deal as well. There is no reason why anyone can't get a Batchelors degree. Absolutely no reason unless you have some mental handicap and can't make a 3.0 GPA. My family and I are immigrants from Europe. I was raised in the ghetto both of my parents earned minimum wage and there was always the language barrier. I always wanted to exceed and I have gone way past anything my parents could have accomplished and I owe it to my folks for moving to the US. What I noticed from my "black american" friends and "black immigrant" friends is that us immigrants never blame the "white man." I guess it's because we nor our parents nor grandparents grew up in the civil rights era when things weren't equal, so we aren't being filled with all of that negative hype. We just know what we know from tv and other media. I think that whole era before civil rights caused a lot negative feelings and it just gets recycled generation after generation. I don't know what to say about white kids who grew up in the ghetto too who aren't succeeding as well when they also have the same opportunities. What I find weird is that were I work I am the only black engineer under the age of 40 (I'm 26) and most of my co-workers (blacks and whites) have kids who aren't doing much with their lives. I find it very strange given the opportunities that there are!
I agree with that 100% and I'll tell you why it is. Immagrants come to this country and think 'wow', people who are born here think 'whatever'. It's true. Immagrants are 5 times more likely to be sucessful than American born people per capita due to their impression of the country, just as you stated. But it goes beyond the ghetto, it's most of us. We have everything a person could want, so we take if for granted. An immagrant comes here and is so blown away by all the possiblities that by the time someone tries to convince them it's not really a big deal, it's too late, they've already made it. That's why you had the mentality you did as a child, for you this country had endless possibilites, where as, just as you stated, someone with a history of their ancestors being degraded and treated like they were less than human is going to have some of that drilled in their head. It all goes back to up brining IMO. If parents tell their kids they can do anything they put their mind to every day and encourage them to do their best, those kids will do great. But parents who don't encourage their kids, or even worse, tell their kids they aren't going to do anythign right, they are setting their kids up for failure.
I used to have superhuman powers....until my therapist took them away.
Well I was mostly responding to the part in bold below Africans dying of AIDS and other crap. The AIDS and other crap are tribal/ethnic wars that are a result of colonization. The rest I got carried away about and may not related to your hypothetical question.
Ok, we are on the same page now. I see where you are coming from now bro. I just look at it like this...what if those who were sold into slavery never were? It would mean that there would be significantly less Black in America and those that were here would not have the same opportunites they do. IMO. I think, as sad as it is to say, that slavery gave opportunities to Blacks that they may not have every had otherwise. In a way, I feel that the slaves paid a huge price for Africans to have a better life. And look at the consequences, Africa is very poor, starving for the most part and yet the decendants of slaves have the opportunity to be whatever they want if they just apply themselves. I hope that better explains what I was trying to say. Because I would never down play what happened to those slaves.
I used to have superhuman powers....until my therapist took them away.
Where the phuque is this conversation going? Holy ****. Some guys could ruin a wet dream with Heidi Cortez sleeping right next to them. Damn. Now we're talking about trading metals for slaves. WTF? Go back to the very first post that started this thread, and let's try again.
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