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[T-Man007]

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you know i thought about this after we talked about it and you guys are right, as an adult they shouldve handled it differently. Its just a sad situation all around.

Very wise point bro! The adult should be an adult and handle it like an adult.

[mick-G]

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We don't really know what happened here and you know how the media likes to make stories out of nothing. Did that kid really get beat up? and did the guy chase the kid into the street? We don't know unless we were there.

[DJDIGGLER]

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I agree with a lot of the points made but if the guys hadn't pulled over and stopped them, then there could have been a major accident with multiple people dead. It's better that the kid at fault died than someone's innocent grandparents or other family member died because some idiotic kids wanted to have fun. I mean they are shooting explosives at moving vehicles. Why didn't they shoot explosives at animals or other objects besides people driving on a highway? I don't mind kids being kids but when you endanger peoples lives you are crossing the line. It's ashame the kid had to die but what happened has happened. Now the guy should not have beat up the kid. He should of just held him until the police arrived. It's a sad situation for all the parties involved. If the guys had clean records then I'm sure a judge who has common sense will not give them extensive jail time but maybe parole or something minor.

This is exactly my point right here. I watched this one Dr. Phil show where these kids dropped a rock of off an overpass and it landed on the roof of some womens car. She now has a horribly disfigured face, and millions of dollars in medical debt. Are we supposed to just say "No big deal their just kids"?!? And guess what here medical was not all paid by her insurance and they dropped her. Yeah good name of insurance my ass president fad! Insurance companies are scam artists trying their best to make sure they cheap you out of as much as they can.

Thats the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. I'm sorry but I knew better than to shoot bottle rockets and cars, or drop rocks on to cars. I'd blow stuff up as a kid or do other things that wouldn't harm anyone but myself. That's what being a kid is. I know my ass would have been beat if I ever did shit like that.

And no calling 911 won't do shit. Most kids run after they do something stupid so do you actually think the cop will be there in time? And then what do you think will happen when they get there? I'm sorry but anytime I was on the road and I needed to call 911 they never once got their in time. I was even side swiped once on the thruway and thrown into a 360 spin. when the car finally stopped I realized the car was trying to run. So I chased him down with my car mangled. I called the police from my cell and those idiots couldn't find us even though I told them every exit we were passing, and told them everything they needed to know. I never got the guy and I ended up getting screwed by the insurance company. Worst thing of all was it was a Uhaul truck that hit me. I called uhauld got all the info on the truck and the insurance company still screwed me. Yeah 911 and insurance companies are great. Get your stories straight!

[DJDIGGLER]

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i really dont think you can blame the guys for the kids running into the fucking road that is ridiculous. Its fucked up but accidents happen. You might as well charge the driver and car manufacturer while you are at it, charge everybody but the people responsible. Fact is if you want to say couldve wouldve shouldve then the kids shouldnt have been shooting them at cars in the first place. I dont agree with beating the kids ass but i really doubt they planned on the kid getting ran over. Beating children and kicking someones ass because they are a little punk are 2 different things.

Couldn't have said it better myself! You get rep points!

[DJDIGGLER]

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the parents probably couldnt have done anything but the problem with this is they really couldve hurt alot of people with their stupidity. I came up pretty strict so when i was with my friends and out of my parents sight i did dumb shit too but the fear of my father alone kept me from doing something that moronic and he never had to lay a finger on me to make me fear him, just didnt want to disappoint or make them look like bad people. I raised hell and fought and still do cuzz im not that old so maybe i look at it a little different the some of your older guys because im not too far out of my teen years so you guys with kids already probably look at this different then i am. I burned stuff, shot stuff, paintballs, eggs, fighting etc....but shooting bottle rockets at moving cars is just plain fucking stupid and its been my experience with people i know that kids who do things that extreme have no discipline in their lives anyway. By 12-13 you know better and i dont mean to sound like a heartless asshole but these kids brought on themselves. I hate to hear that one of them died from it but its tough to put the blame on those guys that chased them, for me anyway.

Again here said perfectly! I used to blow shit up all the time, and egg things, and toilet paper things, get in fights, take a dump on neighbors porchs , stink bombs in the hall in school, stapling a picture of my middle finger to all of the attendance sheets in high school. That kind of stuff is pranks. I was never that much of a retard to shoot bottle rockets at cars. They mine as well just use an automatic rifle next time and then everyone can respond with "well there just kids!"

What about Columbine? Those were JUST kids killing other kids and adults with an arsenal of weaponry. Was that just kids doing stupid shit? Give me a break. Sure if these kids were just destroying property and not endangering peoples lives I would definetely agree that a beating would have not been in order. But this was an extreme circumstance that required a lesson. And the lesson needed to be learned by the kids not by the innocent motorists that were minding their own business!

[DJDIGGLER]

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Exactly!!!!

They are kids and unless someone has forgotten kids have no rights until they are 18 because that is when society has determined they can make somewhat wiser choices. The fact that grown ups took things into their own hands is a problem. You don't beat up a kid, I don't give a phuk if the thing blew up in your face, you don't take things into your own hands.

DJ, no offense but you are looking at this like an idiot. You actually think these kids have no rights? That's just dumb. In your line of thinking if someone crosses you you should be able to cross them back, right? And eye for an eye? That's called taking the law into your own hands and it's illegal. PERIOD! If someone takes a bat to your car you can't take a bat to them so why the hell would you thingk it's ok to beat some kid up. That's Liberal wackjob thinking at it's worst.

Someone does you wrong you call the cops, end of phuking discussion. Only morons take the law into their own hands and for doing such they get what they deserve. I hope they charge the guys with everythign they can. No one was hurt, right? Right? Then how the hell can you support their decsion to hurt children? Kids do stupid shit, and adults should know better. Period.

Ok eye for an eye is wrong huh. So If some guy walks up calls you a fucking ***** and hits you in the mouth are you going to smile at him, call the police and wait? or are you going to punch him right back?

What if some kid lit an m80 threw it at your car and some of your family memebers were in it and they were seriously disfigured? Would you say no big deal I'll let the cops deal with it? Or would you try and chase the bastard down hit him a few times, and then call the police while you hold him?

If some guy raped the person you love would you stand idly by and let the cops handle it or would you beat the living shit out of him if he was in front of you, then call the police while your holding him down?

Yeah I guess self defense is quite moronic! What an idiot I am to think that people should be able to defend themselves! That's the problem with this freaking country is everything is about the kids. The oklahoma bombs blew up that federal building and all you heard about was the daycare in that building. Thats such a crock of shit! I feel soooo bad for the kids that were in there, but there lives were no more important than the other peoples lives in that building that also died! They always downplay everyone elses deaths or misfortune and play the kid card. I'm sorry but I'm sick and tired of everyone always siding with kids!

I had some kids talk shit to me in Wal mart a few weeks ago that were probably 15-17 and all I did was keep walking. I wanted more than anything to rip them apart but, I have to act like an adult and teach them that words are just that words. And they really don't harm anyone. I didn't even say anything back because I would have been just as bad as them. Now if one of them threw something at my fiancee's car when we left the parking lot and endangered her life, I would have got out and beat them until they couldn't move!

[HungarianBeast]

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Now if one of them threw something at my fiancee's car when we left the parking lot and endangered her life, I would have got out and beat them until they couldn't move!

If the judge thought that a life was threatened and you were doing this in self defense, then you would not be charged with a crime. If someone just "threw something" at your vehicle and you beat a minors ass, you would be charged with assault and/or battery of a minor.

A "life threatening" situation is up to the court to decide no matter what you may feel. If you feel your life is threatened and you shoot someone dead, and the court does not feel that it was a life threatening situation, then you are charged with a crime.

So to sum up, choose wisely when feeling "threatened."

[DJDIGGLER]

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Thats whats wrong with this country. Exactly what you just said. Our laws suck!

[HungarianBeast]

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Thats whats wrong with this country. Exactly what you just said. Our laws suck!

So, how would you change them?

[edvedr]

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DJ. there is a big difference between self defense and taking the law into your own hands. your probably someone who walks around with a that isn't fair attitude. oh he did this so i should be able to do this. hmmm yeah that usually accomplishes alot. people need to realize whats fair doesn't mean shit and you will have a tough time in life with that attitude. deal with things for the way they are and make decisions based on what will make what happened better, not what will make it even.

and i love how now shooting bottle rockets is being compared to using a rifle, glad we are making intelligent points here. and dropping big ass rocks on top of cars is no where near the same either.

and EQ there is no difference between child abuse and beating up a kid that "deserves" it. bottom line is he is 12, you don't beat him up for any reason. even with adults, just cause someone deserves an ass beating doesn't mean you should give it to them.

[HungarianBeast]

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Nicely done ED.

[Equalizer]

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just cause someone deserves an ass beating doesn't mean you should give it to them.

yea but its fun lol

[T-Man007]

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Ok eye for an eye is wrong huh. So If some guy walks up calls you a fucking ***** and hits you in the mouth are you going to smile at him, call the police and wait? or are you going to punch him right back?

What if some kid lit an m80 threw it at your car and some of your family memebers were in it and they were seriously disfigured? Would you say no big deal I'll let the cops deal with it? Or would you try and chase the bastard down hit him a few times, and then call the police while you hold him?

If some guy raped the person you love would you stand idly by and let the cops handle it or would you beat the living shit out of him if he was in front of you, then call the police while your holding him down?

Yeah I guess self defense is quite moronic! What an idiot I am to think that people should be able to defend themselves! That's the problem with this freaking country is everything is about the kids. The oklahoma bombs blew up that federal building and all you heard about was the daycare in that building. Thats such a crock of shit! I feel soooo bad for the kids that were in there, but there lives were no more important than the other peoples lives in that building that also died! They always downplay everyone elses deaths or misfortune and play the kid card. I'm sorry but I'm sick and tired of everyone always siding with kids!

I had some kids talk shit to me in Wal mart a few weeks ago that were probably 15-17 and all I did was keep walking. I wanted more than anything to rip them apart but, I have to act like an adult and teach them that words are just that words. And they really don't harm anyone. I didn't even say anything back because I would have been just as bad as them. Now if one of them threw something at my fiancee's car when we left the parking lot and endangered her life, I would have got out and beat them until they couldn't move!

Yea, if someone walked up to me and started talking smack I would do nothing. If they threw a punch then I would defend myself. However, with my skills they more than likely wouldn't land in and they would find themself in a submission hold. I'm 235 at 5'10" so that crap doesn't happen to me, ever!

Second, this isn't "what if" time. This is what happened time. No one, I reapeat, no one was injured by the bottle rocket. But, I'll entertain your little game of fantasy land and lets say someone did throw an M80 and it actually made it into my car before it blew up and it did injure my 2 year old son. Yea, I'd get out of the car, and knwo knows what I'd do. But since this the not what happened and there was no injury your point is ridiculous and irrelvant.

If someone rapped my wife and I was there then I would have the right to defend her because it would be self defense and rape is a felony offense. Bottle rockets are not a felony offense, neither is shooting one at a car. So there is no comparson to this ridiculous "what if" either.

Self-defense as defined by law is when your 'person' is in direct threat or direct assult. If I throw somethign at you, then you have the right to defend yourself. If I throw something at your car, then that is NOT self defense. Period.

And don't talk to me about the Oklahoma bombing. A very very good friend of mine lost her aunt and niece in that and no one I know down played it at all. It's just sad to think about the fact that a shild died so early, that's what sad. I'm not saying the 50 year old secretary was any less of a loss, but atleast she got to spend 50 years experiencing life.

The fact that some kids talk crap to you at wal-mart means nothign to me. So what. Maybe that's something that happens to you, get bigger and it wont happen anymore. The fact that you wanted to rip them apart shows who you really are inside. Period. You think the guy had a right to beat these kids up and that's just sad to me. No where and at no time does anyone have the right to take the law into their own hands. The law says you have the right to "protect" yourself and your family. It doesn't say you have the right to "avenge". Period. These guys broke the law, they avenged a bottle rocket that hit their car. This is not a case of self defense, but a case of self discipline and their lack of it.

[T-Man007]

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DJ. there is a big difference between self defense and taking the law into your own hands. your probably someone who walks around with a that isn't fair attitude. oh he did this so i should be able to do this. hmmm yeah that usually accomplishes alot. people need to realize whats fair doesn't mean shit and you will have a tough time in life with that attitude. deal with things for the way they are and make decisions based on what will make what happened better, not what will make it even.

and i love how now shooting bottle rockets is being compared to using a rifle, glad we are making intelligent points here. and dropping big ass rocks on top of cars is no where near the same either.

and EQ there is no difference between child abuse and beating up a kid that "deserves" it. bottom line is he is 12, you don't beat him up for any reason. even with adults, just cause someone deserves an ass beating doesn't mean you should give it to them.

You said it perfectly.

[T-Man007]

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yea but its fun lol

roflmao! Fun, yes, but you know you have accomplished nothing. Now they just want to get even.