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Originally posted by estanozolol
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i truly applaud you for your faith. it is inspiring.
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ignorance is blissOriginally posted by Cipher
With all my heart...
I also believe in revelation where it speaks about the end time and unbelievers will be attacked by locusts with the heads of lions, men shall seek death and will not find it.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cipher
[B]With all my heart...
I also believe in revelation where it speaks about the end time and unbelievers will be attacked by locusts with the heads of lions, men shall seek death and will not find it.
You see know thats what im talking about, that makes one kick ass sci fi movie.Comment
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i was appuading yours and Ciphers faith. it wasnt all for you bro!
and im sorry about the ignorance remark. its just, ive been to places like turkey, where muslims hate christians, and to israel, where jews and muslims hate each other. in the south, when slavery was justified through the Bible. the Jewish Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan massacres, Somolia, the Crusades, 9/11, the recent train bombings in spain.
so many horrible things have occurred in the name of God and religion. whether its as miniscule as condemning one to hell for not believing, or as great as murdering mass amounts of people for not believing. its all wrong. Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Buddha, they all preached tolerance and acceptance.
to be a man of God is to make the realization that NO man has the right to condemn, even if it is in His name.Comment
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Ill agree with a large part of that post...Originally posted by localboyz
i was appuading yours and Ciphers faith. it wasnt all for you bro!
and im sorry about the ignorance remark. its just, ive been to places like turkey, where muslims hate christians, and to israel, where jews and muslims hate each other. in the south, when slavery was justified through the Bible. the Jewish Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan massacres, Somolia, the Crusades, 9/11, the recent train bombings in spain.
so many horrible things have occurred in the name of God and religion. whether its as miniscule as condemning one to hell for not believing, or as great as murdering mass amounts of people for not believing. its all wrong. Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Buddha, they all preached tolerance and acceptance.
to be a man of God is to make the realization that NO man has the right to condemn, even if it is in His name.
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Crank...we are beating a dead horse now....this thread has lost its appeal.Originally posted by Crankin'steiN
I don't see how the ball is back in my court??? What is your point?? I am not trying to disprove what the bible says....... I was simply stating that the things you find in the bible are not Facts........ If I was trying to disprove the bible I would have to find facts that showed the things said are NOT true..... Which is just as hard as finding facts that they ARE true..... That is why the things mentioned are just what is believed to of happened.
We (Christians) believe what the bible says to be true. Part fact part faith. Everyone else does not. No amount of arguing is going to change that. I could quote scripture all day long and you will say thats not fact when I believe it is.
I say close it
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You know as much as I hate beating a dead horse (poor fella....), if this thread really did lose it's appeal then you, and everyone else would quit replying.....
At this point I am astounded that you are still trying to make an arguement that what is in the bible is Fact....... By dictionary meaning it obviously is not......... If you believe something to be a fact but have no proof then it is a belief, not a fact. End of story..... I won't explain this again, but I find it unreal how you can not agree with the dictionary......
Jesus walked the earth is fact. But what im telling you is that fact is irrelevant. Stop thinking sooo much along the lines of seeing believing and start thinking believing is seeing. There is no salvation without faith. What is faith if everything is fact. Theres a million spots in the bible that talk about the wise an educated man is usually a fool and the fool is a humble God fearing man. We are not supposed to know everything. If we did, then we would be God.
But hey thats your perogative. I think the real problem is you just don't want to agree with ANYTHING I say, because I am not a christian so what I say must be wrong....... Well just because I'm not a christian does not mean I am not an educated man.
That is simply not true. Ill agree with you when I think you are correct. I agreed with the majority of someones elses post in this thread and they arent christian.
P.S. Are you telling me to close this thread??? Because I see absolutely no reason to........ Just an adult conversation going on.... Everyone has a choice whether they want to partake in the conversation or not.
Agreed
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And i completely see your point. And as far as fearing God goes....ill pray for your sake that you one day do fear God.Originally posted by Crankin'steiN
LOL! Sorry but I find that response funny.....
It seems like everytime I make an arguement, instead of addressing the arguement, you preach something from the bible to me and make it sound like you are trying to convert me to christian?? What I am saying about the meaning of fact could be associated with any topic...... Absolutely anything in life......
And you keep saying things that have nothing to do with what I said.... Like "what is faith, if everything is fact?". I never once said faith isn't real..... You prove that it is. "fact is irrelevant"..... Well your absolutely right.... When believing in a religion fact is irrelevant, because there isn't many..... So you are asked to believe and have faith instead of believing because of facts shown...... And I don't have a problem with that, and never said I did.
Now indirectly, by quoting that passage from the bible you are saying that I am a fool, and a God fearing man....... I have very few fears in life, and I can assure that God is not one of them. You can not be affraid of something if you are not sure it exists...... My point is, that I have never totally believed in the things the bible says, therefore I doubt whether God exists..... If he does and I am condemned to hell for not believing then so be it. I can not force myself to or pretend to believe something......
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As far as always referencing the bible. I find its easier to effectively witness to someone when im using the Word of God.
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whats the longest thread ever? lets go for it! we'll be famous!!Comment
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fact ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
Well I see your point better there crank. I misunderstood the work fact. According to the definition somthing can still be true without being fact.
Thats rather interesting.Comment
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look, all we're saying is that religion is rooted in faith, not necessarily fact.
to look at it another way, while there is no proof that God exists(which CANNOT be denied), there is also no proof that he does NOT exist. (which also CANNOT be denied)Comment
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Anyone who is interested and wants annother opinion on religion or christianity...
Check out melchizedeck truth principles... It's out of print but you can get it on amazon...
Also "The gnostic gospels" is worth a read... (see the movie stigmata to find out a truth about how certain parts of the bible were intentionally disincluded or manipulated to fit the churches ideas)
I belive that each human being is a devine entity... Jesus made several referances to this and this book points many of them out.
If anyone else is a gnostic or a truth seeker, please pm me or talk to me on AIM same sn, i am interested in any knoledge or information you can offer.
It's always been there... in the back of your mind. That there is more to this world than meets the eye... Explore that feeling and you'll be amazed at what you find.I run suicide drills over and over with the weight of the world on my shouders... I'm far from being god, but i work god damn hard.Comment
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Alrighty boys.....to address people saying that the Bible is fiction....I have a good read for you....it's called the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel - if you want proof that it is real and factual - read this.
The book was written by an atheist journalist who specifically set out to write this book and prove Christians wrong. In the process - he proved that there is no arguement and became a Christian himself.
I am a very fact driven person. I am a seeing is believing kind of girl....but unfortunately in this case the Lord has had to work with me on my faith.
But anyways....getting back to the subject - the Bible is the oldest proven document known to be true and that the things written in it actually did happen. Jesus DID exist and of course still DOES exist. Whether you believe in Christianity or not - it is a proven fact the Christ was a real person and walked the earth like any other human.....he was just perfect in the eyes of the Lord, performed miracles, and showed nothing but love to the human race.
The Q used for the German word Quelle meaning "source" was the document which scholars believe to be the collection of teachings from Matthew, Luke, and Mark which still exists today. It is the oldest (proven to be real) document from back in those times that is still around. Don't get my wrong - the Bible is the ultimate source that we today need....but the Q is just one source that scholoars have used to prove the genuinity of some of the books of the Bible and that the events did occur.
I am not by any means stating that I am knowledgable in this topic.....but if you want to read something that is from scholoars that ARE knowledgable - I would suggest this book.
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