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the bible could have been writin by a great author like shakespear as a story. could all be a hoax...truth is nobody can prove otherwise.
the truth is out there
the truth is out there
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Makes a good Movie though.Comment
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i cant wait to see it, and i agreeComment
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Bible states it was written by 40 God Inspired Authors over the period of 1500 years.Originally posted by navoff
the bible could have been writin by a great author like shakespear as a story. could all be a hoax...truth is nobody can prove otherwise.
the truth is out there
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and again it depends on what you hold as fact and the rest is faith.
Example: You call me up and tell me you grew 8 inches (you midget) and I say cool. I believe you even though you havent showed me a picture and have faith you wouldnt lie to me.
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Heres where faith comes in as opposed to knowing fact.
Hebrews 11
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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Hers a verse for you saying the Grace of God will be shown to everyone and its your choice whether you choose to accept it.Originally posted by C & C
Hey Ciph i was just wondering wat you think about someone that has never heard of religion or had the chance too. Would they get into heaven or say a kid under 4 years old they dont really know about much do they get into heaven if they die? Just curious what you think
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
and as far as the 4 year old.....Davids son died at a young age (too young to understand salvation) and God said to David, you will see your son in Heaven.
Hope this helps
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Ah but heres where interpetation comes in, what does acceptence really mean.Comment
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Lighten up man.....Just to break the ice....Things were gettin a little thick in here so I figure Id lighten it up...Maybe poor choice of a joke.Originally posted by Crankin'steiN
Absolutely..... Religion is based on faith I totally agree. I was just tyring to make a point as was someone else, that fact and faith are two extremely different things.
Preach on Ciph, I know your enjoying this.
P.S. I'm not sensitive about my height.... But I don't really see why there was a need to throw a joke in about my height....
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thats a whole different argument, one that is actually being argued quite actively within theology.Originally posted by Akamai
Ah but heres where interpetation comes in, what does acceptence really mean.
literalists v. interpretistsComment
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Im a literalists.....When it comes to the word of God.Originally posted by localboyz
thats a whole different argument, one that is actually being argued quite actively within theology.
literalists v. interpretists
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according to the koran it is ok to kill anyone who does not beleive in islam. are they correct or incorrect?Originally posted by localboyz
what your saying is OBJECTIVELY right and wrong. it can be proven that 1+1=2. that is a fact. murdering 6 million people is wrong because ****** made the decision that life is not a natural or inalienable right.
the earth is not flat because it can be proven that it is not flat. that is an objective fact.
when you talk about God, heaven and hell, and religion, they are all not fact. they cannot be proven therefore they are subjective.
you cannot compare objective facts to subjective opinions.
Just because you or I cannot prove somthing does not make it any less a fact than it may be. Its only that we wont know for sure. It may be a fact that other planets exist in the universe with water in them. I cannot prove this BUT if it were so it would still be fact. Even though noone could prove it.Comment
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first of all, the koran does not say that it is "okay" to kill anyone who doesnt believe it Islam. i am not Muslim, but i and anyone who may be Muslim would take that very offensively. it is statements like that by which this country gets a very hateful and sometimes violent reaction towards Muslims. they are simply not true. Islam is a peaceful religion, which, like all religions has its extremists. (Christianity is probably responsible for far more deaths in history than any other religion)Originally posted by jamesbrosky
according to the koran it is ok to kill anyone who does not beleive in islam. are they correct or incorrect?
Just because you or I cannot prove somthing does not make it any less a fact than it may be. Its only that we wont know for sure. It may be a fact that other planets exist in the universe with water in them. I cannot prove this BUT if it were so it would still be fact. Even though noone could prove it.
secondly, once again you guys are still comparing things that are abstract v. concrete. Unlike the sun, or other planets(in the future), one will never be able to see God(literally) or prove he exists. If God were a large object in the sky, that we could see, like the sun and Galileo, or like Mars and the rover, then maybe these arguments would be true.Comment
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i dont mean to be patronizing, but do you literally believe, say, the stories in Genesis? Revelations? you know, God created the world in 6 days, etc. etc.Originally posted by Cipher
Im a literalists.....When it comes to the word of God.
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With all my heart...Originally posted by localboyz
i dont mean to be patronizing, but do you literally believe, say, the stories in Genesis? Revelations? you know, God created the world in 6 days, etc. etc.
I also believe in revelation where it speaks about the end time and unbelievers will be attacked by locusts with the heads of lions, men shall seek death and will not find it.
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