WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

[kdogg]

Stats
Height - 5'11"
Weight - 191 PCT and over 200 while on
Age - 29
Number of cycles - 3 (two prop/tren and one prop/tren/eq)

Here is the situation. I do a cycle, train hard, eat well, and sleep the best I can (tren is a *****). I gain anywhere from 10-15 lbs while on and then lost the majority of it after a month into PCT.

The last cycle I ran prop 100mg ED and tren 50mg ED for 14 weeks. I ran HCG at 500iu (Monday and Thursday) throughout the cycle. I have lost nearly all of my gains about 1.5 months into PCT. I keep my diet good, sleep improves, but my gains don't stay.

I am currently follwoing Pheedno's PCT prototcol.

I have a feeling that the tren is shutting me down HARD and preventing me from keeping my gains.

Some have suggested that I try other compounds (e.g. deca and test enanthate).

Based on what I have shared here what is your opinion? If you need more info let me know.

Thanks for your help.

-kdog

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

ID BET 10 TO 1 ITS YOUR DIET! WHAT ARE YOU EATING?

[TestRip7]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

ID BET 10 TO 1 ITS YOUR DIET! WHAT ARE YOU EATING?

Yes, post up what your diet looks like while you're on and then what it looks like when you come off.

[kdogg]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

This is what I ate today. While on cycle I tend to eat larger servings of the food listed below with similar, if not identical, frequency

Meal 1 - 6:00 AM
1/2 cup oatmeal
N-Large or Micell Edge (1.5 servings, 50g protein)

Meal 2 - 9:00 AM
Chicken breast or steak
brown rice and chili beans
brocolli

Meal 3 - 11:45 AM
Fish, chicken, or steak
vegetables
some sort of carb
(This is my lunch which is eaten at a restaurant. I try to make good choices)

Meal 4 - 2:30 PM
50g Casein protein shake
rice and beans
apple
(I also take 5g BCAA at this time for pre-work out)

Meal 5 - 6:00 PM (PWO)
50g whey
100g dextrose
10g creatine, 10g glutamine, 5g BCAA

Meal 6 - 7:45 PM
Steak, fish, chicken breast
Chili beans, sweet potato, chick peas, or whole wheat pita bread with hummus
Brocolli or green beans
(This meal varies. I get bored easily)

Meal 7 - 10:00 PM
50g casein protein
1 tbsp flax oil or 2 tbsp natural peanut butter


Another thing that I know is not helping me out is I have a VERY FAST metabolism. If I did not lift and eat good I would be skinny as a rail. In fact, about 6 years ago I weighed 139 lbs and was the same height (5'11").

I bet a lot also has to do with my diet. I know it could use some work. Any input is greatly appreciated.

-kdog

[Stout1]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

Stats
Height - 5'11"
Weight - 191 PCT and over 200 while on
Age - 29
Number of cycles - 3 (two prop/tren and one prop/tren/eq)

Here is the situation. I do a cycle, train hard, eat well, and sleep the best I can (tren is a *****). I gain anywhere from 10-15 lbs while on and then lost the majority of it after a month into PCT.

The last cycle I ran prop 100mg ED and tren 50mg ED for 14 weeks. I ran HCG at 500iu (Monday and Thursday) throughout the cycle. I have lost nearly all of my gains about 1.5 months into PCT. I keep my diet good, sleep improves, but my gains don't stay.

I am currently follwoing Pheedno's PCT prototcol.

I have a feeling that the tren is shutting me down HARD and preventing me from keeping my gains.

Some have suggested that I try other compounds (e.g. deca and test enanthate).

Based on what I have shared here what is your opinion? If you need more info let me know.

Thanks for your help.

-kdog

I doubt its the tren. It's your diet more than likely. If you were shut down in PCT you would know. Loss of libido, feeling like shit, etc. More than likely you aren't eating enough. I saw you posted what you ate, but there is no amounts next to them.

Is it 10 oz chicken or 4oz?
1/2 cup oats or 2 cups oats?

See what I mean? Big difference in keeping track of what you eat and knowing what you eat.

[cbr929]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

I agree with stout just becuase you eat the right stuff doesn't mean your eating the right amount

[bowbow]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

What was your weight when you did your first cycle?

With your body type don't be afraid to eat some fatty foods once in awhile. And I agree with the others your probably just not eating enough.

Your not a huge person but have come along way from six years ago, your body type doesn't want to hold on to all this extra weight so when you come off it wants to get rid of it. You almost need to eat all day. lol

[kdogg]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

This is what I ate today (amounts added). While on cycle I tend to eat larger servings of the food listed below with similar, if not identical, frequency

Meal 1 - 6:00 AM
1 cup oatmeal (I made a mistake above and put 1/2 cup)
N-Large or Micell Edge (1.5 servings, 50g protein)

Meal 2 - 9:00 AM
Chicken breast or steak (> 8 oz. of filet, sirloin, or round)
brown rice and chili beans (~ 1 cup)
brocolli (~ 2 cups)

Meal 3 - 11:45 AM
Fish, chicken, or steak ( > 8 oz.)
vegetables
some sort of carb
(This is my lunch which is eaten at a restaurant. I try to make good choices)

Meal 4 - 2:30 PM
50g Casein protein shake
brown rice and chili beans (1 cup)
apple
(I also take 5g BCAA at this time for pre-work out)

Meal 5 - 6:00 PM (PWO)
50g whey
100g dextrose
10g creatine, 10g glutamine, 5g BCAA

Meal 6 - 7:45 PM
Steak, fish, chicken breast ( > 8 oz.)
Brown rice and chili beans (1 cup), large sweet potato, (1 cup) chick peas, or whole wheat pita bread (1-2 pitas) with hummus
Brocolli or green beans (2 cups)
(This meal varies. I get bored easily)

Meal 7 - 10:00 PM
50g casein protein
1 tbsp flax oil or 2 tbsp natural peanut butter


BTW, how do I edit my posts? I did not see an edit button.

-kdog

[kdogg]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

What was your weight when you did your first cycle?

With your body type don't be afraid to eat some fatty foods once in awhile. And I agree with the others your probably just not eating enough.

Your not a huge person but have come along way from six years ago, your body type doesn't want to hold on to all this extra weight so when you come off it wants to get rid of it. You almost need to eat all day. lol

I weighed 180-185 if I recall correctly.

What kind of fatty foods would you suggest?

Man, I do eat all day. I guess I will have to step up to the plate and eat more.

-kdog

[bowbow]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

Damn thats only 10-15 lbs over where you started naturally. It should be much easier holding onto more of your gains than you are.

You seem to be eating alot of food but it's so clean I don't think your actual calorie intake is very high. I think that is where the problem is. Have you ever counted your cals before. I mean truely counted them exactly or just estimated them. There's a big difference.

Like I said, If your matabolism is that fast your body fat is probably pretty low already so don't be afraid to have a pizza, a juicy hamberger or some fried chicken once in awhile. Don't go overboard with it.

I would also add some eggs into your first meal and cut back on some of the protein drink. Again there's not many calories in the shakes.

Add a little flax oil to meal 4's shake also. for a few more cals and good fats.

[trip]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

What's your bodyfat %, while off and on.

Obviously quantity is the easiest thing to try out and simplest answer.

Best bet is try that first.

[BIGMOFO]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

I think you need to count your protein intake. just cause you think you eat the right amounts does not mean you are. ALOT of people make this mistake BIG TIME! you need to be takin in about 370-380g protein a day. and by looking at your food i bet you are shy of that! i would also eat a little junk along the way and keep the protein high through pct and a few weeks after!

[kdogg]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

What's your bodyfat %, while off and on.

Obviously quantity is the easiest thing to try out and simplest answer.

Best bet is try that first.

My BF% stays about the same while on and off. It is around 14%.

-kdog

[kdogg]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

I think you need to count your protein intake. just cause you think you eat the right amounts does not mean you are. ALOT of people make this mistake BIG TIME! you need to be takin in about 370-380g protein a day. and by looking at your food i bet you are shy of that! i would also eat a little junk along the way and keep the protein high through pct and a few weeks after!

I usually take in about 300g of protein per day. Which is approximately 1.5g per lb. of body weight.

I will try increasing it to the 2.0g/lb. body weight.

Junk food is something that I stay away from. I rarely eat pizza or burgers.

-kdog

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: WTF is Wrong With Me? (Gain Retention Related)

ARE YOU BLOWING UP THE GYM WHILE ON TOO?