Cycle Help EQ

[34pumped]

hey bro listen up...do just a test only for your first cycle.. i was 6 ft 158 when i started my first cycle and went to 181...just using test ... i used qv test cypionate 400 mg a week.. 2 shots one mon and the other thursday ..each shot was 200 mg each....

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by 2ndgear
i am 20 years old, turning 21 very soon, not 18

I wasn't referring to you...

[Governor]

Originally posted by 2ndgear
i am 20 years old, turning 21 very soon, not 18

....talking about Josh.

[Majc]

Re: Re: I'm not entirely sure I agree

Originally posted by prolangtum
Rather than yoyo up and down, I think just EQ is a fine start for the following reasons:
1. Although it is considered weak visavis test or dbol; you know your diet/training is spot on if you gain weight, He can always do a test/EQ cycle later.

Agree

2. the EQ gains will be solid, which is better? 7-10lbs of solid muscle or 25 lbs of muscle+water and fat
Why would you gain fat with Test? Test has been shown to increase lipolysis.

3. If he gains fat with the test, and he probably will, he could lose hard earned muscle along with the fat when he cuts.

Again, why are you sure sure he will gain fat?

I base this purely on anecdotal observations; it seems to me that a lot of bros who throw in test and gain 15-25 lbs always say they gained fat along with the muscle and they then go through a cutting cycle to loose the fat(and possibly muscle). I was trying to support my belief that body changes should be gradual on the first few cycles; paying your dues so to speak. I don't think that someone should automatically choose to use/not use gear on a whim and using weaker anabolics means that weight gain or lack thereof will expose problems with diet/training. If he decides to use test than low dose,i.e 250mg a weak, should be fine; as long as the anabolic/androgenic ratio is in favor of the former.

[2ndgear]

should i be eating "clean" while on the cycle or just eating smart?
for example, I don't need to cut mayonaisse and stuff like that out right? I don't need to take the yolk out of my eggs?
Just eat lots of protein like eggs, fish, milk, animal meats, etc?

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by 2ndgear
should i be eating "clean" while on the cycle or just eating smart?
for example, I don't need to cut mayonaisse and stuff like that out right? I don't need to take the yolk out of my eggs?
Just eat lots of protein like eggs, fish, milk, animal meats, etc?

Well...you yourself stated your metabolism is extremely fast.

If I were you, I'd eat everything in site. As long as your getting plenty of quality protein, it really won't matter. You need calories. You need extra carbs and fats. Go on a 'see food' diet, when you see it go eat that *****.

[2ndgear]

haha, sounds easy enough, i guess i just gotta be consistent, like everything else in life!

[josh_323i]

I'm thinking of running an EQ and Test cycle too, does taking nolvadex during do the same thing as liquidex?

[Majc]

sort of but...

not to the same degree, liquidex(anastrazole) is far more powerful than nolva. If you are not gyno prone then nolva might be a better choice; by eliminating estrogen you eliminate some of its benefits on cholesterol levels. It is always good to have one or the other on hand just in case.

[maki riddington]

A question to those of you that have suggested to him that he takes a stack rather then the EQ alone? How do you know what the EQ will do if you've never run it by itself?Why throw in the Test? What's wrong with taking one drug alone? I'm quite aware that the one of the golden rules to taking anabolics is to make sure a base of Test is used, but who started this rule and why do we have to follow it? That's like saying that 3 sets of 10 reps should be adhered to or squatting is a must for big legs.

It's not like he's not going to gain muscle. Sure, he may not gain as much muscle as if he used a bigger cycle, but then, when and where does one draw the line? Nearly a gram of anabolics on a first cycle is a bit much imo. Although he is shooting for 15-20 pounds a solid diet and training program can take care of that issue. Add in some EQ and he'll be happy with his solid gains. Heck, he could even run the same cycle twice if he wanted to and still make some decent gains.

[rude]

so can he do a equipoise only cycle without having that side effect of losing his schlong?

[rippedchef]

Too young-first find the discipline to eat 50g protein,50g carbs and 20g good fats 6x per day-train intensely 4x per week-heavy weight in the 6-10 rep range-squats,deads and bench-get 8-10 hours of sleep per night-do this for a year and re-post your pics-you'll get exactly the results your looking for w/o AAS

[josh_323i]

How young is too young...I'm 22...I think I'm ready

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by josh_323i
How young is too young...I'm 22...I think I'm ready

I was 23, so if i were to tell you to wait it'd be a bit hypocritical.

If you're still making gains naturally, exhaust that to it's fullest. If you've hit a plateau, then 22 isn't a bad age to break in.

[2ndgear]

ok guys, my pics are posted on the first post.
This is what i've ordered.

EQ 400mg/week 10 weeks
Test Enan 250mg/week 10 weeks.
Clomid Post Therapy.

Do I have to worry about gyno or anything else with this cycle?

input is appreciated.