Lets just pretend

[eaglewrestler27]

THANK YOU smalls its about dam time someone besides antoheruser isn't stuck sterotyping all teens, and realizez how hypocrtical the genetic potential comment is

[eaglewrestler27]

alright bigjim33 i was thinking a 12 week cycle of test enth and eq. I would do 200 of eq and 250 of test enth E4D. I would take aromasin(exemestane) for the estrogen (bloat, growth stunting issue etc.) it is also the best anti e http://www.anabolic-alchemy.com/show...=&threadid=427 PCT clomid 50mg ed for 10 days
nolva 20mg ed for 10 days
clomid 50mg eod for 10 days
nolva 10mg ed for 10 days
and i would take 150mg clomid and 40mg nolva the first day

[Gaul]

Are you trying to gain mass, or just trying to improve athletic performance during your season?

[Muraco]

I started cycling at 19 years old. Because when I was about to turn 20 I could not enter the teenage BB contests anymore. And I did not want to wait another 2 or 3 years to put on the mass needed to compete in the men's open or novice men's. This was the time period (early '80's) when we mostly still took orals. I cycled between Dbol, anavar, and Anadrol-50. I'm 38 and still cycling even heavier now, of course, and still competing. However, I started weight training seriously at 12 years old, began competing at 16, and by 19 I was able to hit 190 lbs. off-season. I'm still no expert or anything, but If Eagle has good potential, maybe he can start a small cycle a bit early.

[makavellie23]

if you go back to the original thread. the basic question is what cycle would we recommend. i dont mean to sound like an ass but if you did all this research. YEAR AT THAT! then i would think you would know what cycle to take more than most of the guys on this board. and even then. common sense tells you that, what works wonders for one person, might not do anything for another.

we all know your set on doing this, so here is my 2 cents,
research the drugs that are available to you and will give the desired results and just do it. i dont agree with it, i think your too young, but hey if your gonna do it, do it right. and good luck to you.

[eaglewrestler27]

Gaul mass is always a plus but i'm mainly looking for athletic performence. i'll run my main bulker off season. Muraco any advice or experiences u would like to share are appreciated if u have anything more to say.

[Gaul]

Originally posted by eaglewrestler27
Gaul mass is always a plus but i'm mainly looking for athletic performence. i'll run my main bulker off season. Muraco any advice or experiences u would like to share are appreciated if u have anything more to say.

This is what I would suggest for athletic performance:

wk 1-8 test prop 50 mgs/ed
wk 1-8 winny 50 mgs/ed
wk 9-12 clomid 50 mgs/ed
wk 9-12 nolvadex 20 mgs/ed
wk 1-12 liquidex .5 mgs ed or eod (optional)

For athletic peformance, stay away from fina because it will kill endurance. That's also why I suggest a low-moderate test dose. The prop/winny combo should be good for 8-10 lbs of lean shredded muscle tissue, along with a good increase in strength, and possible fat loss.

You might not necessarily need liquidex all 12 weeks, but definitely get some for the month of post cycle therapy, because it will help with recovery and keeping gains.

If the winny gives you joint problems, take glucosamine, or drop to 50 mgs/eod, or both.

***Important: Get a blood test before you start to determine your base line natural test level. Then, 2 weeks after you finish post cycle therapy, get another test done and compare the two to determine if you're fully recovered. If not, run the PCT again.

[Blackfoot]

Gaul: That's a lot of needles for a first cycle (teen or no teen). JMO.

[omoore61]

eagle post your diet, i am really curious as to what your diet looks like. I have met very few highschool kids that have well rounded diets with the appropriate calories,protein, carbs and fat.

[Akamai]

Hey eagle are you any good??????? And the above mentioned cycles are going to jump you more then one weight class, not smart to draw that kind of attention to yourself preseason.

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by Blackfoot
Gaul: That's a lot of needles for a first cycle (teen or no teen). JMO.

my first was prop/fina/winny

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by Akamai
Hey eagle are you any good??????? And the above mentioned cycles are going to jump you more then one weight class, not smart to draw that kind of attention to yourself preseason.

good point....and still waiting on the diet/training/sleep?

[bigjim33]

Originally posted by eaglewrestler27
alright bigjim33 i was thinking a 12 week cycle of test enth and eq. I would do 200 of eq and 250 of test enth E4D. I would take aromasin(exemestane) for the estrogen (bloat, growth stunting issue etc.) it is also the best anti e http://www.anabolic-alchemy.com/show...=&threadid=427 PCT clomid 50mg ed for 10 days
nolva 20mg ed for 10 days
clomid 50mg eod for 10 days
nolva 10mg ed for 10 days
and i would take 150mg clomid and 40mg nolva the first day

200mg/wk of eq won't do much. if you wanted to use test/eq i would do this
500mg/wk test
400mg/wk eq
both for 10 weeks
aromasin if u want but other anti e's are cheaper and work also
clomid post cycle:300mg 1st day, 200mg 2nd day, 100mg/d for 10 days and 50mg/d for 10 days...you can run nolva at 20mg/d for 3 weeks along with clomid if u want. this will jump u up alot in weight and people will notice. so if you don't want this attention then i would think about iut

[latimer99]

if you are a good wrestler then you know that technique is more of an advantage than strength. save your money and hit the mats. Use the money you save to learn different types of combat, ie: brazilian jiu jitsu, shootfighting, submission fighting. if it is all about the wrestling then you will take my advice, but i dont expect you to.
good luck wait a little longer brother

[AnotherUser]

be careful to time the cycle so you will have plenty of time to recover before wrestling conditioning.

Low test + all that exercise = bye bye muscle