Lets just pretend

[AnotherUser]

Originally posted by leankid
Correct, to each is own, but you can't deny the facts.

But you can't make them up either...

[makavellie23]

if your only 17 then you couldnt have possibly reached your full potential.

and speaking for myself. the shit is addictive. if you do it once and you like the results (AND YOU WILL) you wont stop. and that is not good at your age to be doing mutiple cycles

[eaglewrestler27]

I'm sure the feeling of AS must be addictive. But who is to say i'm not mature enough to regulate the intake and cycle properly? The only one who can determine this is me, and it should be fairly clear by my interest in research and time spent that i wish to do this correctly and in a healthy manner.

[leankid]

Originally posted by AnotherUser
But you can't make them up either...

Oh sorry, didn't know you were a dick. Whatever. Telling a 17year old to use gear is smart you phuckin tool shed

[AnotherUser]

I'm no doctor, but the hormones in a teenagers body is throwing them for a loop both physically and emotionally. It would be ridiculous to throw more hormones in the mix while their bodies are becoming acclimated to what they've already got!

No shit you're no doctor, isn't that obvious? And you don't think bumping your testosterone levels up to 5x or more what they normally are throws your body for a loop, regardless of your age? I don't see how that's a valid arguement.

I've never believed in roid rage before, but some people around here are so damn touchy! You disagree with them and they get all pissed off and immediately start calling you names. Just for disagreeing! Maybe it's sign of immaturity, or maybe it has to do with the type of person drawn to juice. Or maybe steroids do make them jerks!

[pigmeat]

Originally posted by eaglewrestler27

I understand its not a magic pill, i have worked hard and ate right so why not? Again though i repeat how much i appreciate everyone posting, and i don't claim to know everything or even close to that, but i feel i have a good understanding. So thanx for the opinions and i'll continue to work hard and learn.

obviously kid,you have alot to learn. You say you Know how to eat right? If you train as hard as you say you do,with your naturally high test levels, you must be doing something wrong if you only wiegh a buck fifty! It is amazing how ignorant some people are,to tell a 17 year old kid to use drugs! Do what you want,but when you have to use drugs just to maintain your wieght at 160-170 lbs the rest of your life,because you messed yourself up, dont come to me asking for sympathy! BTW, I laugh my ass off everytime one of you 17 year old kids use the term "mature". You have no idea what that even means.

[makavellie23]

be careful pigmeat. you piss him off and he might go tell his mommy on you!

just because you are mature doesnt mean your body is.

these guys are not picking on you they are trying to help.
point is: steroids are bad for your age. and apparently you are not MATURE enough to realize this.

[pigmeat]

Originally posted by makavellie23
be careful pigmeat. you piss him off and he might go tell his mommy on you!

just because you are mature doesnt mean your body is.

these guys are not picking on you they are trying to help.
point is: steroids are bad for your age. and apparently you are not MATURE enough to realize this.

You are right,I am not picking on you,just making a point. I remember what it was like at 17. I thought I was the man and knew evry thing in the damn world,when in reality I didnt know shit!

[pigmeat]

Another thing. Say you do choose to use AAS and continue to wrestle. If you do win, can you actually feel good about yourself and your accomplishments,knowing you CHEATED and broke the rules to do it. I know i couldnt! If i cant win something following the regulations, I dont want to win! Yeah, I'm sure performance enhancing drugs are not allowed in your athletic program.

[r00tz]

Word. Your 150lbs. I think you've definetly hit your genetic potential. *cough*

As was once said by a wise man, the effects of AAS screwing you up at 18 or so, if used properly are very little.

But do you really have the maturity, to eat,sleep,train not party etc. Its not about spending the few hours on the board it takes to find out how to do things properly, its much more then that.

I kinda have a little motto I go by, if your asking if you should use steroids, you probably shouldn't be.

[AnotherUser]

Hmm.. I'll agree that at 150, you probably still have quite a ways to go naturally.

[eaglewrestler27]

Alright first off i did tell my mommy. She's gonna get some gear too and come beat makavellie23's ass like the little ***** he is. Lol, i know u guys r just messin w/ me so don't worry i won't get butt hurt. I'm not 150 thats what i wrestled last year w/ tons of weight cuts. I weigh about 165, but keep in mind i'm only 5'6. I won't get too much taller my dad is only an inch or 2 more. And i have read up about genetic potential. Theres no way u can't tell me that 90% or more of this board didn't meet their genetic potential. The point is i work hard, i eat right and i'm dedicated so why not to push a little over the edge.

[eaglewrestler27]

And i'm not asking if i should use gear r00tz i was asking what u vets thought was the best. I understood long before posting how this shit works and eq was a good bet for the endurence factor(red blood cells) and test always as a base. I even understand the ancillary, but i'm still new to the game and i don't want to fuck up my cycle at all. i want all the possible gains i can get out of it. Bodybuilding is what i do its my main hobby. I like wakeboarding and partying but bodybuilding means so much more to me. So, like said before if u know how to eat and train and have a good base, done ur research and responsible about then go for it. So don't sterotype me, u can think/say what u like but i came here looking for help because i respect the time u vets put in and takeing the time to partcipate and keep a board up like this one.
later

[smalls]

Nobody currently posting hit their "natural potential" before juicing. If you think you did then you do not understand the idea of an S shaped curve.

I think that regardless of age this is a personal issue and he has to make the decision. Physical maturity is also highly dependant on the individual, so to say that someone isnt ready at age x is rediculous.

[bigjim33]

i don't think you should do it, i have seen my friends who started early(17-18) fuck themselves up. i waited till i was 20 and did 2 years of research. but since u have done all this research y don't u give us an example of what u think u should do for ur goals because u should know this. and u still haven't posted what ur diet/sleep/training is like...