Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

[guns01]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

Man so many ways to skin a cat in this sport. I would never run a dry out phase like that but if it works for you congrats as I know many people it does. I use a completely different theory and logic on drying out and it has worked for me and all my friends that use it very well. I can't take credit for the protocol as I didn't come up with it all I know is it works and you don't have to suffer near as much.

man o man that protocol worked like magic for me all the way up till about 2 years ago. now it doesnt work worth nothing. i get to dry and flatten out bad. now gotclen and i are working around trying to iron out my water manipulation down to a t. last show that i was happy with i had a gal of water on friday and still came in too dry. 2 years or so ago if i would have done that i would have been smooth as a baby. then again we changed around some supplements i have used for years and other things as well. but like you said a million different ways and what i laid out above works damn good for my younger guys and gals. never had the op to work with people my age other than myself and gc has been at the helm with that one. so i am still learning

[GotClen]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

This is a great protocal. This is close to what we were doing. We just didn't do any loading of sodium. Didn't really add it so didn't really pull much sodium. I have know many dudes that keep 5000 to 8000 of sodium in till Friday am. The body wants to keep flushing all that sodium that is no longer being added. I never had the balls to be a big sodium guy. I just add one or two pickles a day for a few week.

Thanks for sharing.
GC

This is the basis to the protocol that I use. Water should be ran high always for good general health 2 gallons plus. Starting 3-4 days out ramp water up to 3 gallon till the night before show. Sodium should also be tan high when carbs are low to help with muscle volume fullness and firing. I like to carbs load 2-4 day out from show depending on how depleted person is and how many carbs are needed. Day before show pull all sodium and keep water high with no carbs only lean meats and veggies. Then once water has been turned off for a good few hours start to reintroduce dry carb source to help
Leach water. This is a protocol that future freak on promuscle put up over there so hopefully I'm not stepping on any toes as I didn't give out any more info than he did in his thread. This protocol works very well. My friend dropped 8lb over night to make weight and came in very dry.

[jamescb77]

This is the basis to the protocol that I use. Water should be ran high always for good general health 2 gallons plus. Starting 3-4 days out ramp water up to 3 gallon till the night before show. Sodium should also be tan high when carbs are low to help with muscle volume fullness and firing. I like to carbs load 2-4 day out from show depending on how depleted person is and how many carbs are needed. Day before show pull all sodium and keep water high with no carbs only lean meats and veggies. Then once water has been turned off for a good few hours start to reintroduce dry carb source to help
Leach water. This is a protocol that future freak on promuscle put up over there so hopefully I'm not stepping on any toes as I didn't give out any more info than he did in his thread. This protocol works very well. My friend dropped 8lb over night to make weight and came in very dry.

[GotClen]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

So James, Why dont you share that protcal here? We all love to learn new ways to get that best look.

Man so many ways to skin a cat in this sport. I would never run a dry out phase like that but if it works for you congrats as I know many people it does. I use a completely different theory and logic on drying out and it has worked for me and all my friends that use it very well. I can't take credit for the protocol as I didn't come up with it all I know is it works and you don't have to suffer near as much.

[jamescb77]

Man so many ways to skin a cat in this sport. I would never run a dry out phase like that but if it works for you congrats as I know many people it does. I use a completely different theory and logic on drying out and it has worked for me and all my friends that use it very well. I can't take credit for the protocol as I didn't come up with it all I know is it works and you don't have to suffer near as much.

[whitetail]

i dont know what your normal water intake looks like but with this template you just double your normal intake and go from there on the deplete

day 1 and 2
4gals of water before bed
day 3 and 4
2 gals of water before bed
day 5 and 6
1 gal of water before 8pm
day 7 and 8
1/2 gal of water before 8pm
day 9
1/4 of water before 6pm
day 10 day prior to showtime or whatever
16oz of water or 4oz with first 4 meals then no more fluid after that.

what i like to do to get the water pulling out is to add in 8-10g of vit c spread through the day to help the water coming out and if you havent dried out completely which you should be you can add in a diurex or otc water pill firday night and first thing saturday morning. when i learned this technique what i was doing was just drinking whatever until thursday and then cutting off all fluid at noon thursday until after prejudging. this was making me come up short and a top comp guy took me in and showed me this approach. the theory behind this method is overload the body into thinking it has a huge abundance of fluid and keep pushing it as you take it away. then the body continues to freak out and flushes all excess fluid out for the duration. it works very very well

as for carb depletion and loading their are a few different methods out there that you can use but my last one looked like this:

deplete out for 4-5 days no carbs at all
load tues 600g 1/3 sweet potato 1/3 white rice 1/3 cream of rice
weds 600g same as above
thurs 300g same as above
friday 100g same as above
this was for show day on saturday and i came in at 238 and a little to dry. still ironing out the water because the over load and deplete that worked for years isnt working for me anymore. gotclen has been tweaking my last 2wks for me this year and we will continue to do so up to the season next year as well

Thanks a lot bro. My high would be 2 gallons. I will scale it down from there.

So

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[unclem]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

boy I learned a lot scimming over guns run, congrats guns . I liked the gear that was put together in the beginning.

[GotClen]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

I would only add to the carb up point that Guns just made was that was what his body could hold. Most likely you are no where near as depleted as he was. 4 or 5 days of no carbs will not get you as depleted as he was.

My suggestion in this case is to get that water flowing through you daily. Every morning you should look your best. Watch that sodium. (many schools of thought here) Some run it high then cut out Thur night and very low Friday for a Sat. show. Im a believer in keeping it low. Enough to replace from sweating. Your estrogen has to be in check also. If you are running products that have you holding water thats a problem.

As you can see it is not just one or two things. Oh, wait add those dark green veggies, like asparagus. Natural diuretic.

[guns01]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

If your ever bored..lol. i would love to see what you would layout for a non competitive lifter to just dump some water to see where they're at. Just a sunday to friday carb load and water drop. Ya know when you go out for a night less loose, have a few drinks and the next morning your peeled when you wake up. How to tap into that look without the alcohol
Pretty much everything else you do works for me so why not ask you what you think about this.

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i dont know what your normal water intake looks like but with this template you just double your normal intake and go from there on the deplete

day 1 and 2
4gals of water before bed
day 3 and 4
2 gals of water before bed
day 5 and 6
1 gal of water before 8pm
day 7 and 8
1/2 gal of water before 8pm
day 9
1/4 of water before 6pm
day 10 day prior to showtime or whatever
16oz of water or 4oz with first 4 meals then no more fluid after that.

what i like to do to get the water pulling out is to add in 8-10g of vit c spread through the day to help the water coming out and if you havent dried out completely which you should be you can add in a diurex or otc water pill firday night and first thing saturday morning. when i learned this technique what i was doing was just drinking whatever until thursday and then cutting off all fluid at noon thursday until after prejudging. this was making me come up short and a top comp guy took me in and showed me this approach. the theory behind this method is overload the body into thinking it has a huge abundance of fluid and keep pushing it as you take it away. then the body continues to freak out and flushes all excess fluid out for the duration. it works very very well

as for carb depletion and loading their are a few different methods out there that you can use but my last one looked like this:

deplete out for 4-5 days no carbs at all
load tues 600g 1/3 sweet potato 1/3 white rice 1/3 cream of rice
weds 600g same as above
thurs 300g same as above
friday 100g same as above
this was for show day on saturday and i came in at 238 and a little to dry. still ironing out the water because the over load and deplete that worked for years isnt working for me anymore. gotclen has been tweaking my last 2wks for me this year and we will continue to do so up to the season next year as well

[whitetail]

If your ever bored..lol. i would love to see what you would layout for a non competitive lifter to just dump some water to see where they're at. Just a sunday to friday carb load and water drop. Ya know when you go out for a night less loose, have a few drinks and the next morning your peeled when you wake up. How to tap into that look without the alcohol
Pretty much everything else you do works for me so why not ask you what you think about this.

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[whitetail]

Nice bro, looking forward to new log!

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[guns01]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

let's dust this bad boy off and get it back up and running again.

ok some quick side notes: i am not eating 100% full on just yet cause i am still letting my body recover a little bit and i am not feeling 100% on point just yet. i am only running hrt for now and i am still easing back into training. so this is what quads looked like today:

20 mins steps focusing on squeezing glute/ham each step to pre fatigue them before quads.
rumble roller work
leg extensions 45x60 60x60 75x60 120x15 150x15 180x15 ds 180x10ds 150x10ds 120x10ds 90x10ds 75x10ds 60x10
hacks 90x20 180x15 270x10 360x10
leg press 200x50 400x40 600x30 780x15 690x20
adductor 100x20 110x20 120x20 140x20
abductor 100x20 110x20 120x20 140x20

that was it for the day. good pump short and sweet and strength is moving back up nicely

Your log shows a whole 'nother level bro. Keep going strong!!!

[guns01]

Re: Follow Along G's Run to the NA's

ok everyone, who is ready for the new kick off to the 2013-14 off season run? going to see lots and lots of changes with diet training and supplements this year. we are taking a new approach going into the off season this time and are going to do some weight and bodyfat control. goal for offseason is 255-265 at and holding 6-8% and dial in about 4-5lbs heavier in the supers this upcoming season and running into the masters nationals. i am motivated and almost 100% right now. last 2 wks have been devoted to water removal, light blood flow training and pretty much boring stuff. we will kick it off on monday hard and heavy cause i feel that i am recovered and ready to go. current weight is 248 and still showing all lines except obliques and the food baby i am packing around lol

[guns01]

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wasnt leaving you out either humalabs. i know you been hanging out as well