Legal marijuanas biggest foe

[daved150]

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well put jsjs24.....
and as you said fuzo...people still sell it illegally with their license...true...another guy went to prison last week for not having his paperwork correct!! he couldnt prove where 6oz or pot went....off to prison he goes. the "pot stores" like in cali are NOT the way to go. license individual to be care givers and audiot them, is the way to go. i havebeen working on getting this done for a year now!!! its not an easy process and it does cost 20k or better to get set up!!
but as the big picture goes...it should be legal for a long list of reasons. i dont know about it "never" going to be....i wouldnt say "never"

[horsepwr]

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well put jsjs24.....
and as you said fuzo...people still sell it illegally with their license...true...another guy went to prison last week for not having his paperwork correct!! he couldnt prove where 6oz or pot went....off to prison he goes. the "pot stores" like in cali are NOT the way to go. license individual to be care givers and audiot them, is the way to go. i havebeen working on getting this done for a year now!!! its not an easy process and it does cost 20k or better to get set up!!
but as the big picture goes...it should be legal for a long list of reasons. i dont know about it "never" going to be....i wouldnt say "never"

another b@ssackwards issue. So this guy gets locked up for not having his paperwork in order. But my father inlaw gets a letter that a pedophile lives a block over in his upper-middle class hood. This fukin sick criminal that ruined a child's life hardly saw the inside of a jail. But he's on probation and isted on the sexual predator list. pfft...big fukin whoop. Hook a friend up with over 20gs of weed, and you're ass is grass. no pun intended.

[FUZO]

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So what about smoking it around your new born baby,your on the way home from the hospital your baby was just born and your husband says spark up a joint its good for the baby dont worry its legal. Do we scientificly know pot wont affect new born babys or kids. Anyone want there first grader gpoing to school with a contact high because there parents get high because its legal and the kid cant function because he's so stoned.kids cant get high from alcohol .You want to make pot legal then it should be just like alcohol if your to high then you go to jail just like getting a DUI.

[straydoglogic]

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Great, so let's make another thing legal that can do the same thing.

I would be interested to hear LE's stance on this issue.

You want law enforcements stance? Here you go.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Also when Montel Williams was in my home town speaking at a college he bagan feeling ill and was saying that he is prescribed marijuana to help him feel better. My county sheriff was in the audience, our SHERIFF, and what did the sheriff say? He stood up and told Montel, "Take you medicine." So Montel took his meds right there on stage in front of the sheriff. Some law enforcement know that it's bogus. You make these poor people into criminals when they shouldn't be. Here's a video.

http://www.eurweb.com/?p=28010

[straydoglogic]

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So what about smoking it around your new born baby,your on the way home from the hospital your baby was just born and your husband says spark up a joint its good for the baby dont worry its legal. Do we scientificly know pot wont affect new born babys or kids. Anyone want there first grader gpoing to school with a contact high because there parents get high because its legal and the kid cant function because he's so stoned.kids cant get high from alcohol .You want to make pot legal then it should be just like alcohol if your to high then you go to jail just like getting a DUI.

Let's use your scenario. your on the way home from the hospital your baby was just born and your husband says spark up a cigarette or crack open a beer its good for the baby dont worry its legal.

It comes down to personal responsibility. Who's another person to tell me I wont be responsible around my kid? People are responsible enough to not smoke in front of their kids. And before you say some aren't, well, some people get drunk and drive with their kids in the car. And no, kids can't get high from alcohol, but they can get drunk. Oh, mommys not around and she looks cool and smart with her cosmo, let me drink some of her vodka so I can be like her. And yes, you should get a dui if you're driving high just like driving drunk. Give people a little credit, they can take care of themselves just as you do. There's one of the biggest problems, " we need to make laws to protect people." What, they can't protect themselves, or their kids? There's really no argument here.

[BABY1]

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You want law enforcements stance? Here you go.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

Also when Montel Williams was in my home town speaking at a college he bagan feeling ill and was saying that he is prescribed marijuana to help him feel better. My county sheriff was in the audience, our SHERIFF, and what did the sheriff say? He stood up and told Montel, "Take you medicine." So Montel took his meds right there on stage in front of the sheriff. Some law enforcement know that it's bogus. You make these poor people into criminals when they shouldn't be. Here's a video.
http://www.eurweb.com/?p=28010

Interesting for sure, but these are groups that have formed and I would guess that there are some who still do not support this.

I am not against medical marijuana, but I still do not think that legalizing it would be such a good idea

[BABY1]

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Let's use your scenario. your on the way home from the hospital your baby was just born and your husband says spark up a cigarette or crack open a beer its good for the baby dont worry its legal.

Now that is not a very good analogy! Do you really think that someone would think this is okay cause it is legal? If one would even consider doing this, it would not be based on its legality it would be because they are a complete idiot!!

[/quote]It comes down to personal responsibility. Who's another person to tell me I wont be responsible around my kid? People are responsible enough to not smoke in front of their kids. And before you say some aren't, well, some people get drunk and drive with their kids in the car. And no, kids can't get high from alcohol, but they can get drunk. Oh, mommys not around and she looks cool and smart with her cosmo, let me drink some of her vodka so I can be like her. And yes, you should get a dui if you're driving high just like driving drunk. Give people a little credit, they can take care of themselves just as you do. There's one of the biggest problems, " we need to make laws to protect people." What, they can't protect themselves, or their kids? There's really no argument here.[/quote]

Unfortunately, there are many people who do things that compromise their child's protection. I just don't see that making marijuana legal, in this country, would bring on more positives than negatives

[daved150]

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Now that is not a very good analogy! Do you really think that someone would think this is okay cause it is legal? If one would even consider doing this, it would not be based on its legality it would be because they are a complete idiot!!

It comes down to personal responsibility. Who's another person to tell me I wont be responsible around my kid? People are responsible enough to not smoke in front of their kids. And before you say some aren't, well, some people get drunk and drive with their kids in the car. And no, kids can't get high from alcohol, but they can get drunk. Oh, mommys not around and she looks cool and smart with her cosmo, let me drink some of her vodka so I can be like her. And yes, you should get a dui if you're driving high just like driving drunk. Give people a little credit, they can take care of themselves just as you do. There's one of the biggest problems, " we need to make laws to protect people." What, they can't protect themselves, or their kids? There's really no argument here.[/quote]

Unfortunately, there are many people who do things that compromise their child's protection. I just don't see that making marijuana legal, in this country, would bring on more positives than negatives[/quote]i dont think he was saying any of it would be good. fuzo asked the question and stray just responded that it would be just the same as drinking a beer, lighting a smoke or lighting a joint...all are equally stupid in fuzo's example...and i would be much more likely too see someone smoke a cigerette in that scenario then anything.....
the thing is....there's no good reason that it remains illegal. ANYTHING you apply to pot...any analogy you want to run, any "what if" scenerio you can come up wiht can be applied to alcahol as well...which is legal!! so, if youer fine with alcohol, whether you drink or not, how can you be against pot? its an odd stance to ttake if you educate yourself with pot....i dont smoke it, but i've always said it should be legal...i read up on it, researched it and made my own opinion based on what i've found to be the facts...

[Dzone]

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I can give you an LE's stance on this issue. He believes it should be legal because it makes his job more difficult and dangerous because it's illegal. And, he never has to deal with a stoned dude gone nuts, like with alcohol every freakin night.
The stoned just aren't too motivated to wreak havoc.lol

I have spoken to cops and they said they would much rather make a house call to someone stoned than someone drunk...drunks are far more belligerent...I believe the Republican Party line on this is to keep pot illegal, because it threatens BIG INDUSTRY like Big Pharma and The Beer and liquor lobby, all friends of the republican party

[straydoglogic]

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Now that is not a very good analogy! Do you really think that someone would think this is okay cause it is legal? If one would even consider doing this, it would not be based on its legality it would be because they are a complete idiot!!

It comes down to personal responsibility. Who's another person to tell me I wont be responsible around my kid? People are responsible enough to not smoke in front of their kids. And before you say some aren't, well, some people get drunk and drive with their kids in the car. And no, kids can't get high from alcohol, but they can get drunk. Oh, mommys not around and she looks cool and smart with her cosmo, let me drink some of her vodka so I can be like her. And yes, you should get a dui if you're driving high just like driving drunk. Give people a little credit, they can take care of themselves just as you do. There's one of the biggest problems, " we need to make laws to protect people." What, they can't protect themselves, or their kids? There's really no argument here.[/quote]

Unfortunately, there are many people who do things that compromise their child's protection. I just don't see that making marijuana legal, in this country, would bring on more positives than negatives[/QUOTE]

What do you mean it's not a good analogy? It's based on the same premise that Fuzo used with smoking weed. Where is the difference? I was merely pointing out the similarity in the two thought processes. To say that someone will drive home and smoke in front of their baby is saying the same as they would drink or smoke cigarettes. There's no difference.
I've layed out many of the positives. Saving lives, saving billions, making billions in a new market, saving trees, saving the atmosphere because we can make paper and plastic and many other things.
So it's better economically, it would create jobs and create far less criminals. It would lower crime and cops could catch that murderer or rapist instead of the guy smoking a joint. The courts wouldn't be backed up with the nonsense. Since it would be legal it would be safer for those that used it.
I would like to know of ANY negatives at all really. I can't think that there really are any. It's not a dangerous substance.

[horsepwr]

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So what about smoking it around your new born baby,your on the way home from the hospital your baby was just born and your husband says spark up a joint its good for the baby dont worry its legal. Do we scientificly know pot wont affect new born babys or kids. Anyone want there first grader gpoing to school with a contact high because there parents get high because its legal and the kid cant function because he's so stoned.kids cant get high from alcohol .You want to make pot legal then it should be just like alcohol if your to high then you go to jail just like getting a DUI.

I completely agree. That's absolutey irresponsible of a parent. That's no parent. Sadly, that happens even with it being illegal. They woul need to be responsible with it just like drinking. Even though you're not feeding your child alcohol. They're learning how to "relax" with a drink. Children mimick their parents. I don't want my child pounding drinks irresponsibly, so she has never seen either of her parents do that. If I were a stoner. I would not get stoned around my child. People need information on the social life before they can responsibly, and socially, consume alcohol or whatever at social events where these substances are present. I believe children should be well informed in this area of life in the most responsible way. They will get informed on it one way or the other. Curiosity among friends at a high-school party is not how I want my child to 1st be confronted with such decisons. She will be informed of the negatives of participating in social drinking, and very thorough lectures on drugs.
I hope that I raise an absolute lady that can have a social drink at a Christmas party. A champaigne toast, etc...I don't "hope". I will raise a fine young lady that is well aware of the dangers which drinking and drugging can lead to.

[FUZO]

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It's not a dangerous substance

so when your stoned and driving could it be possible you can fall asleep while stoned,yes there is a possibilty, can you get injured at work while high or stoned yes thats a possibility,if your a airline pilot and stoned can you crash a plane-yes thats a possibility,can you drive a car stone and kill someone-yea thats a possibilty. Pot makes you relaxed and sleepy. It sure doesnt make you alert and ready to go.So theres some negatives . In this day and age it wont become legal because things like this stuff will happen. Parents will drive high,parents will smoke in front of the infants and children,those are facts.If marijuana was legal when beer became legal back then we wouldnt be talking about this but since its 2010 it can never happen.One time someone dies from pot and it will happen thats all it takes. One bad apple to spoil the bunch. alcohol kills,prescription medicine kills, otc medicine kills,pot will kill and thats the point. why put something else in this world that can lead to the death of someone else.And like I said there have been teenagers stoned not drunk that have killed other people in driving accidents.So will it make money sure but would you rather have money or your mother or father,sister,brother dead from someone smoking pot if it became legal. I rest my case. No one here would take money over a close loved family member.] Marijauna will kill

no one SHOULD tell any parent how to raise there kid but if your smoking around my kid because your stoned and forgot that my kid is at your house while your smoking I will tell you to go fuk your self because I dont want my kid around it.Has anyone said how bad it would be for a new born to get high,nope no one.How do we know if a new born is at your house and you spark up while its just a infant that this baby wont have some problems in life. We dont so thats another reason why it shouldnt be legal. 9-10 people smpoke pot to get high and stoned to feel good not for medical reasons. And when your brain is not in its right state of form something can happen.I rest my case again. Oh wait 1 puff will lead to 2 puffs then it will lead to a full joint,then it will lead to a PIPE,then it will lead to a bong,then a graphics then you will want it laced with something to get that high feeling.

[FUZO]

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I completely agree. That's absolutey irresponsible of a parent. That's no parent. Sadly, that happens even with it being illegal. They woul need to be responsible with it just like drinking. Even though you're not feeding your child alcohol. They're learning how to "relax" with a drink. Children mimick their parents. I don't want my child pounding drinks irresponsibly, so she has never seen either of her parents do that. If I were a stoner. I would not get stoned around my child. People need information on the social life before they can responsibly, and socially, consume alcohol or whatever at social events where these substances are present. I believe children should be well informed in this area of life in the most responsible way. They will get informed on it one way or the other. Curiosity among friends at a high-school party is not how I want my child to 1st be confronted with such decisons. She will be informed of the negatives of participating in social drinking, and very thorough lectures on drugs.
I hope that I raise an absolute lady that can have a social drink at a Christmas party. A champaigne toast, etc...I don't "hope". I will raise a fine young lady that is well aware of the dangers which drinking and drugging can lead to.

EXACTLY HORSE

[daved150]

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so when your stoned and driving could it be possible you can fall asleep while stoned,yes there is a possibilty, can you get injured at work while high or stoned yes thats a possibility,if your a airline pilot and stoned can you crash a plane-yes thats a possibility,can you drive a car stone and kill someone-yea thats a possibilty. Pot makes you relaxed and sleepy. It sure doesnt make you alert and ready to go.So theres some negatives . In this day and age it wont become legal because things like this stuff will happen. Parents will drive high,parents will smoke in front of the infants and children,those are facts.If marijuana was legal when beer became legal back then we wouldnt be talking about this but since its 2010 it can never happen.One time someone dies from pot and it will happen thats all it takes. One bad apple to spoil the bunch. alcohol kills,prescription medicine kills, otc medicine kills,pot will kill and thats the point. why put something else in this world that can lead to the death of someone else.And like I said there have been teenagers stoned not drunk that have killed other people in driving accidents.So will it make money sure but would you rather have money or your mother or father,sister,brother dead from someone smoking pot if it became legal. I rest my case. No one here would take money over a close loved family member.] Marijauna will kill

no one SHOULD tell any parent how to raise there kid but if your smoking around my kid because your stoned and forgot that my kid is at your house while your smoking I will tell you to go fuk your self because I dont want my kid around it.Has anyone said how bad it would be for a new born to get high,nope no one.How do we know if a new born is at your house and you spark up while its just a infant that this baby wont have some problems in life. We dont so thats another reason why it shouldnt be legal. 9-10 people smpoke pot to get high and stoned to feel good not for medical reasons. And when your brain is not in its right state of form something can happen.I rest my case again. Oh wait 1 puff will lead to 2 puffs then it will lead to a full joint,then it will lead to a PIPE,then it will lead to a bong,then a graphics then you will want it laced with something to get that high feeling.

by "not a dangerous substance", i'm sure he meant health wise...its no more dangerous driving than drinking is...sooooo..make it illegal to drive while high!! c'mon fuzo...you gotta admit that its not anymore dangerous than alcohol!! every analogy you want to post, interchange alcohol in its place and this conversation could take place in the 1920's!!!

[FUZO]

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even if its healthy you still get stoned and all motor skills are off and that can lead to injury and death