Barack admits he lied.

[tn94z]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

Here is my take on it and it has been since the election..Obama is smart. He did what he needed to do and said what needed to be said to get elected. Now he is the Prseident-elect...he is in and can almost do what he wants. Now with me being Rep, I am glad to see that he is not as radical as he was first making out to be. I think that his plans that he was campaigning on were not very smart and would lead to a worse economy. Yes it does sound like he is back pedaling in some of his stances from the campaign, but I think that is a good thing....for us anyway.

So many people thought that he was going to change everything and make the US a better place over night. And it seems like everyone I know, that voted republican are about to sit back and say "I told you so."

[tn94z]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

This ia an absolutely retarded thread--I try to keep out of political discussions, but I can't help this one...

How can you seriously criticize the man when he hasn't even moved into the White House yet??? Are you kidding me?? And to expect one man to right the ship in six months of not being in power??? Why don't you conservative Republicans place the blame where it is due?? How about the man who is in power STILL and nothing has been changed for the better in the past eight years??? How about the fact that these have been the worst eight years in history for the American economy. Low Gdp, high unemployment, and if any of you are in commissioned sales, I know you have felt the pinch over the past few years. If this recession lasts into the 2nd half of this year, which is the prediction, then this will be the longest since WWII. And where is the money paid to these banks to stop the economic crisis, where is it?? There is no accountability to these funds, but your super stud ACTING PRESIDENT has no problem with handing the banks an open checkbook. Probably the biggest problem I have with the CURRENT PRESIDENT is that we were led into a war with Iraq based on a lie. A lie that cost the American people $587 billion dollars and counting. That money could have been far better spent domestically , with a small percentage paying for the true threat which is Osama Bin Laden. The Bush administration was asleep at the wheel, is still in power, and thank god their reign is almost over.

I agree. I am a republican and I can say that I do not like Bush and he has done an absolutely awful job, but in all fairness most of his problems were inherited from a democrat named Clinton

[Stout1]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

This ia an absolutely retarded thread--I try to keep out of political discussions, but I can't help this one...

How can you seriously criticize the man when he hasn't even moved into the White House yet??? Are you kidding me??

No, I'm not kidding you. And it's called free speech and holding people accountable for their promises they make when running a campaign. If you would read the whole thread you would see that I'm not criticizing him for the job he has done but rather that he isn't in office yet (yes I know this) and he is already back pedaling from promises he's made during the election. How is that possible to run a campaign on change and promises of YES WE CAN, then when get elected so WHOAAA I THINK I OVER PROMISED, WE BETTER BACK UP A BIT.

And to expect one man to right the ship in six months of not being in power???

Re-read the thread, no one here said we expected him to right the ship in any amount of time let alone not being in power so this is a mute point and really irrelevant

Why don't you conservative Republicans place the blame where it is due?? How about the man who is in power STILL and nothing has been changed for the better in the past eight years??? How about the fact that these have been the worst eight years in history for the American economy.

Conservative republicans? Not sure who that is unless you think people are anti Obama they MUST be a conservative republican, if so you're serverly misguided.

Yes, it's been a terrible eight years I agree, never said I didn't. So moving on....

Low Gdp, high unemployment, and if any of you are in commissioned sales, I know you have felt the pinch over the past few years. If this recession lasts into the 2nd half of this year, which is the prediction, then this will be the longest since WWII.

I'm in commissioned sales and make no hourly so I'm with you.

And where is the money paid to these banks to stop the economic crisis, where is it?? There is no accountability to these funds, but your super stud ACTING PRESIDENT has no problem with handing the banks an open checkbook.

There is no accountaibility, I agree. Never said I didn't. You keep bringin up points that have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand, but I'll continue to entertain you since you obviously must have voted for Obama and can't stand to see someone talk bad about the "prophet".

Obama ran on change in the gov't. He just appointed ALL the old guard. What change do you think your going to get. Think for yourself. Don't let the media influence you. Really who or what is going to change, he just appointed people that have been in and around the Washington scene for awhile, it's the same two party dogma. Get rid of one party to get another in, but in all reality the true problems that face America never get addressed.

Once again, it's our president and I never voted for him. Just because I am anti-Obama doesn't mean I'm pro-Bush or even republican. Don't ASS U ME that.

Oh and "our" president that is about to come into office wants another bailout so how does that make sense with your idealogy? Please entertain me

Probably the biggest problem I have with the CURRENT PRESIDENT is that we were led into a war with Iraq based on a lie. A lie that cost the American people $587 billion dollars and counting. That money could have been far better spent domestically , with a small percentage paying for the true threat which is Osama Bin Laden. The Bush administration was asleep at the wheel, is still in power, and thank god their reign is almost over.

Okay, once again you haven't addressed the question at hand...and you've diverted the misguidings of the President elect on the fact that our current President ****ed up. Two wrongs don't make a right I'm sure you've heard that.

Iraq war, def a **** up. I'll agree on that. Something had to be done not sure our plan of action was right.

In case you missed the whole point of the thread and went onto things like Bush, unemployment, Iraq war, etc....here is the question....

So honestly, and cut all the bullshit. What has changed between now and when he campaigned about "change"???

[busapig]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

Please let me clarify--

I am not in love with our new president elect. I did vote for the man because I personally feel that he was the lesser of the 2 evils that were legitimate candidates for president. I hate that our government has basicly a 2 party system and that this system has a real bearing on how decisions are made by our elected officials based on political affiliations.

No Nothing has changed yet, you are correct. No, the new president has not assumed full responsibility yet either. It will take time to right this horribly mis-managed vessel called the U.S.A. and I think (speculation) that we will see things set in motion shortly after he takes office. But taking office is the key term.

Again, I am not in love with the man--But I do know my family cannot tough out another 4 years of Bush economics which is why I voted the way I did. I do however feel that Obama does deserve the opportunity take office before he is called a liar for not invoking changes.

[trip]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

first off, you're headline is "obie, admits he lied"

1. that in itself is a lie

2. u post AN OPINION PIECE and then present it as fact


so, u can INTEROGATE, act like a lawyer on anything u so well want to that makes u happy, do more of it, do alot of it, do it 24-7

one more time, it's all opinion, which means nada nada nada, which is why all the post elect propaganda crap is falling on deaf ears

no one cares, it was a landslide

yet, karl rove still rules the republican party, so this will be years before this type of propagand dies

[Stout1]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

first off, you're headline is "obie, admits he lied"

1. that in itself is a lie

It's the old "bait and switch" which is a lie. Present one thing that people go crazy for, then at the last moment, show your true hand. Exactly what Obama did, and that is YES a lie.

"I want to be realistic here," Obama said in an interview that aired Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "Not everything that we talked about during the campaign are we going to be able to do on the pace that we had hoped."

^^^That there is showing he lied from the get go. I have not debated the fact that he did it intentionally, but none the less his campaign was ran on a lie. Now he is back pedaling. Obviously if his statements of CHANGE, HOPE, PROSPERITY, YES WE CAN, are now WWWHOOOOA LETS HOLD UP A MINUTE. Then you have two contradicting statements. Obviously only one can be truth? Correct?

2. u post AN OPINION PIECE and then present it as fact

There are facts in the article. You obviously choose not to read them and they are direct statements from Obama himself redirecting his course of action.

so, u can INTEROGATE, act like a lawyer on anything u so well want to that makes u happy, do more of it, do alot of it, do it 24-7

Thanks for the permission.

one more time, it's all opinion, which means nada nada nada, which is why all the post elect propaganda crap is falling on deaf ears

no one cares, it was a landslide

All opinion? Where? Clearly you can't take Obamas direct words from his OWN mouth about his policies and redirecting them as opinion. But I guess you entitled to live in a fairy tale if you want. Obviously he isn't going to bring about what he promised, he knows that, most people know that, for the ones that don't either don't give a shit or too dumb to realize.

yet, karl rove still rules the republican party, so this will be years before this type of propagand dies

Propaganda from Karl Rove? Roflmao! It was from CNN. I don't think Karl Rove was a contributing piece to this.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/12/obama.reality/

And you are just as bad as Busapig thinking since I'm anti Obama I must be sucking the teet of Karl Rove. I never once brought up Karl Rove or republicans but you keep trying to deflect the question and here we are some 20 posts later and you still haven't addressed the question, NOT the title, in the first post.

[Stout1]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

Please let me clarify--

I am not in love with our new president elect. I did vote for the man because I personally feel that he was the lesser of the 2 evils that were legitimate candidates for president. I hate that our government has basicly a 2 party system and that this system has a real bearing on how decisions are made by our elected officials based on political affiliations.

No Nothing has changed yet, you are correct. No, the new president has not assumed full responsibility yet either. It will take time to right this horribly mis-managed vessel called the U.S.A. and I think (speculation) that we will see things set in motion shortly after he takes office. But taking office is the key term.

Again, I am not in love with the man--But I do know my family cannot tough out another 4 years of Bush economics which is why I voted the way I did. I do however feel that Obama does deserve the opportunity take office before he is called a liar for not invoking changes.

Why vote for the lesser of two evils? Why not vote for someone you believe in and get behind a candidate before you pick the "lesser of two evils".

The whole thing is he ran a campaign and got elected on one thing, now that he is elected he is back pedaling on promises. So in your point that is okay since "technically" he isn't in office and he can "erase" what he promised during this "free time" between elections and actual swearing in?

[daved150]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

i always said they all lie....i'm not at all surprised and even though NOT in office, he's setting himself up for failure and the excuse of "see....told you it was gonna be hard, but i tried"...they all lie. they cant get 60% of what they say done. and, if any of us went into a job and claimed we could right all the wrongs and couldnt get it done in a timely fasion, we'd be fired!!

i really dont understand what the big brew-haha is about here....he's just bracing everyone for the things he said he'd do that he cant change or control...whats so different about that compaired to every other politician?

[trip]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

what i think stout, is you think everything has meaning, the only thing that matters is bush broke the economy, under his watch he allowed the sec to allow banks to lever up 40-1, from 10-1 for banks, and 15-20-1 for brokers, THAT IS PLAN AND SIMPLE INSANTITY, that's like letting an average american by a 4 million dollar home on 50k a year, total idiocy, he invaded a country that did not invade us, he added 5 trillion to the debt, those are the facts, they ain't changing till all of us work our asses off and pay for his gargantuan mistakes, the only thing that will change it all is price and time

you can come up with the most grandest of arguements, place blame and criticize all you want everyday, for as an american if that is your journey on your own pursuit to happiness, have at it

just don't expect others to be on the same page

[Stout1]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

what i think stout, is you think everything has meaning, the only thing that matters is bush broke the economy, under his watch he allowed the sec to allow banks to lever up 40-1, from 10-1 for banks, and 15-20-1 for brokers, THAT IS PLAN AND SIMPLE INSANTITY, that's like letting an average american by a 4 million dollar home on 50k a year, total idiocy, he invaded a country that did not invade us, he added 5 trillion to the debt, those are the facts, they ain't changing till all of us work our asses off and pay for his gargantuan mistakes, the only thing that will change it all is price and time

you can come up with the most grandest of arguements, place blame and criticize all you want everyday, for as an american if that is your journey on your own pursuit to happiness, have at it

just don't expect others to be on the same page

25 posts later, still haven't addressed the question in the first post. Maybe you should become a politician with all the b.s. you sling and side stepping.

[busapig]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

Why vote for the lesser of two evils? Why not vote for someone you believe in and get behind a candidate before you pick the "lesser of two evils".

The whole thing is he ran a campaign and got elected on one thing, now that he is elected he is back pedaling on promises. So in your point that is okay since "technically" he isn't in office and he can "erase" what he promised during this "free time" between elections and actual swearing in?

To address your comment as to "why not vote for someone you can get behind?" I don't care what you say, if you don't vote for one of the 2 major candidates, ie: "the lesser of 2 evils" then it is a wasted vote-- you can vote for anyone else and you may as well vote for Garfield D Cat. So my reasoning is--as you can see I am no Republican, by default I voted Democrat. Had there been a candidate who was Republican whom I liked enough to vote for I would have done so. And again, the man hasn't even been sworn in yet, thus hasn't taken control. So you can vote for Garfield D.Cat all you want, but I'm at least going to put my vote where it can at least do some damage to the administration I dislike.


I bet Stout is a doctors worst nightmare--You probably get a respiratory infection, take an antibiotic, and expect the sickness to be gone overnight and call your doctor complaining the next day about how he is a crook because that antibiotic is snake oil and Dr. is a quack and doesn't know what he is doing because the antibiotic takes time.

[FUZO]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

25 posts later, still haven't addressed the question in the first post. Maybe you should become a politician with all the b.s. you sling and side stepping

Stout why werent you involved in here more when the elections were going on I needed ya,lol.stout your not going to change the king liberal trip who has a picture of obama on his wall are you kidding me.Obamas whole campaign was a lie but no one would listen because of the media out there sucking his dik.ALSO STOUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TRIP HAS A DERGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY I THINK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO TWISTING WORDS TRIP KNOWS HOW TO DO.


Busa-

busapig
Please let me clarify--

I am not in love with our new president elect. I did vote for the man because I personally feel that he was the lesser of the 2 evils that were legitimate candidates for president

PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW YOU THOUGHT OBAMA WAS THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS. ONE LOWER TAXES-MCCAIN THAT HELPS ALL FAMALIES- ONE RAISES THEM-OBAMA ESPECIALY THE RICH WHO THEN HAVE TO CUT JOBS AND RAISE PRICES WHEN THEY OWN A BUSINESS. aND LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES WHO WILL SUFFER AND FAIL UNDER BLOJAMA.A DIRTY CHICAGO POLITICIAN WHO WAS SCRIPTED ON WHAT TO SAY DURING THE ELECTION. iF THERE WAS ONE THING I WOULD OF LOVED MCCAIN TO DO WAS TO BRING UP SO MUCH STUFF AT THERE DEBATES AND HE DIDNT WANT TO. THAT WOULD OF CHANGED THE BALL GAME BIG TIME.PLUS ALL THE ARTICLES THE PAPERS HAD THAT DIDNT RELEASE THEM BEFORE THE ELECTION THAT WOULD MAKE OBAMA LOOK LIKE A FOOL. WRONG PERSON IN OFFICE

[FUZO]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

SEEMS NO ONE IS READING STOUTS VERY FIRST POST I MEAN THE LIBERALS ABOUT OBAMA LYING

[daved150]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

i read it...they all lie!!! he's lying...big deal

[Stout1]

Re: Barack admits he lied.

To address your comment as to "why not vote for someone you can get behind?" I don't care what you say, if you don't vote for one of the 2 major candidates, ie: "the lesser of 2 evils" then it is a wasted vote-- you can vote for anyone else and you may as well vote for Garfield D Cat. So my reasoning is--as you can see I am no Republican, by default I voted Democrat. Had there been a candidate who was Republican whom I liked enough to vote for I would have done so. And again, the man hasn't even been sworn in yet, thus hasn't taken control. So you can vote for Garfield D.Cat all you want, but I'm at least going to put my vote where it can at least do some damage to the administration I dislike.


I bet Stout is a doctors worst nightmare--You probably get a respiratory infection, take an antibiotic, and expect the sickness to be gone overnight and call your doctor complaining the next day about how he is a crook because that antibiotic is snake oil and Dr. is a quack and doesn't know what he is doing because the antibiotic takes time.

This is the very problem with our political system now. People wait till the candidates are choosen before they find their candidate. When your down to the final two their obviously isn't much choice left.

What I'm saying is get behind and try to help popularize a candidate before they are chosen for you

Obama is def NOT an antibiotic. lol And I don't go to the doctor often.