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this doesnt negate the fact that many civilians have been killed since..and EVERYBODY knows that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...
two wrongs dont make it right...
terrorism is a tactic..an idea...you cant win a war against an idea....
EVERYBODY does not believe that there was no connection between 911 and Iraq. That is many Liberal's point of view. Idea or not, terrorism is real and certainly exists.
The question is, can terrorism be stopped? I don't think it can be. Sitting down and talking to the enemy certainly won't stop it. We have to remain a strong country and be able to fight, if need be.
alright me an baby agree on something, i also believe it can not be stopped
What u never hear is WHY WHY WHY does is start, and more importantly WHY WHY WHY does it grow?
here is the terrorism tree, i'll use binladen as an example, they are all the same a blueprint
A. get an insane dude, total nut job, with money, and give him a grudge, now, please all note bin ladens grudge against us stems from the afgan war, he hates us with an insane passion because we did not stop the ruskies sooner and faster, 6 million muslims died before we were fully engaged and stopped...............those are just the facts, i'm not interested in who was right wrong or when, i'm saying let's at least understand bin ladens why, and that is it, it's a fact cause he has written about it incestingly
B. one insane dude, get's other nut jobs too join, u make them the second layer, the genrals...................
C. the general recruits, more nut jobs, with promises promises promises of that you are on the side of destiny, a job that has too be completed, because if there percived wrong is not righted, you are damned too hell, these are now the captians and sergeants
D. now they recruit troops, the privates
now is where it get's tricky, there is not enough nut job insane people left, so what do you offer the privates, money, money, money, the chance to be a captain, a general, and a place in destiny
these privates that they recruit are illiterate, and mentally and emotionally unstable for the most part, yet, there power is they can be propagandized into anything, why, because these dregs feel they have no other options left in life, so they sell there lifes for folks who make them feel good by praising them, they pump them up by giving them a purpose because they have none, and they give them money money money which they never had before
in all of these attacks after 9-11 how many captains have been sacrificied, none, not one, they sacrified 20 captains to achieve 9-11 which was a suicide kamikaze run
since then it's all been whilly nilly attacks based on getting one or two privates to volunteer to be kamikazes, now when u find out who these kamikaze were, u find out for hte most part mentally unstable
as time goes on they run out of unstable people because, even the unstable don't want to die
unfortunately, this takes time, yet it is the history of all terrorist groups, u run out of insance idiot nut jobs too recruit
after 9-11 da gubment put in al kinds of money survelleince systems, as much as we moan they do alot of stuff right
as bad as iraq has been, and let's not get into it, the nut jobs are now back in afgan and hills of pakistan, this is containment
believe it or not it all hinges on afgan, and it is not a killing war, it's a can we build infrastructure to make folks life easier so there is a sentiment of opportunity, and folks are like, hmmmmmmmm, i like that money
and on iraq, please please please don't get into it, the surge is again bs propaganda, we have some stability in Iraq because hate motivates, iraqi's hated being poorer before the war, and more folks getting killed by al quida then americans
we have won over the iraqi's by gettin the water running, the lights kept on, and the roads built
what no one see's hears or talks about what is going on right now, Sadr City was ground zero for the last six months, how too get control of it, Maktadr said cease fire, step down, and what did we do, we came in with massive amount of bulldozers, generators, clean water systems, we are making sadr city more livable than ever before in iraq's history, folks like money, folks like not dieing, and hate motivates folks hate being poor, and hate dieing, and if you can build a road of options capitalism wins, always has and always will
Let’s see, I make almost 11k a month an then I get less than 6 k back. I don’t care about taxing those who make 250k more or the poor family with six kids who make 19k a year. We all know that either candidate will raise taxes after this bailout but Obama and Biden believe in the distribution of cash (not wealth b/c many who fall in this bracket are the small business owners who generate the GNP for this government which Obama will decimate in four years) for those who have less. Not to mention, kill this economy. Great, give them the money they want but I want proof that these people make sure their kids are going to school or hold them responsible… oh wait, the government is here for that.. Life is not fair. Not everyone can live on the hill. Nor should EVVERYONE have the 4k square foot home with 4 cars…this isn’t a Cribs episode. Shit, I wanted to be an astronaut and that is why I spent three years in the Air Force. Obviously, I’m not. Things like this should be for those who give it their all to succeed and MAYBE make it. It has been mentioned where JOURNALISM has died in 2008 but WHEN DID DEMOCRACY & CAPITALISM die in 2008(and yes I know that we live in a Republic even though the media & our government tells us different). I predict a socialistic government in the next 20 years. But that doesn’t bother me. I’ll just go to Brasil where the medicine is cheap, the health care is free & sucks and oh BTW the crime rates are high and if you’re a male your life expectancy is less than 35…oh and taxes are high too. I can ***** because I have paid more for where I am than most, have traveled the world, learned new languages and have seen where Michael Moore wants us to be…places like Europe, Canada, South Africa, Brasil and yes India. Places where in his mind, i.e. Cuba are so great with a “Hospital on every corner”. But I’m really tired of hearing all the reasons for Him to say these places are so GREAT and ***** about the good ole’ USA. I don’t want to hear about those who might think they DESERVE to be where I am. I am not a Republican nor a Democrat. I don’t care about government other than the tax me the least and leave me alone. Take care of REAL crime. Take care of our protection and our National security and quit being so DAMN POLITICALLY or ENVIRONMENTALLY Correct. All they do is hurt things when that is their mantra… I only care is when that 5k+ doesn’t go into my pocket and where I want to spend it….oh like my mom, who is a widower and I’d rather see her get the healthcare and medicine that my 5k dollars can give her….I’ll step off the soapbox now, got to go eat a large pizza, take some somas & anti-depressants and fat burners, have a box of wine and maybe some beers cause their legal….but I can’t buy some gear…even though I live in the greatest county in the world…Go figure.
EVERYBODY does not believe that there was no connection between 911 and Iraq. That is many Liberal's point of view. Idea or not, terrorism is real and certainly exists.
if ANYBODY believes that iraq was in any way connected with 9/11 theyve been living with their heads either in the sands or up their arse!!!
terrorism has always and will always exsist...GEORGE BUSH IS A TERRORIST!!!!
LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD!!!
ITS NOT A LIBERALS POINT OF VIEW THAT IRAQ WASNT INVOLVED IN 9/11...ITS AN EDUCATED PERSONS...THERE IS NOT..AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANY EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THEY WERE INVOLVED...
if ANYBODY believes that iraq was in any way connected with 9/11 theyve been living with their heads either in the sands or up their arse!!!
terrorism has always and will always exsist...GEORGE BUSH IS A TERRORIST!!!!
LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD!!!
ITS NOT A LIBERALS POINT OF VIEW THAT IRAQ WASNT INVOLVED IN 9/11...ITS AN EDUCATED PERSONS...THERE IS NOT..AND NEVER HAS BEEN ANY EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THEY WERE INVOLVED...
Do your famous Google search on "Iraqs connection with 911" and you will fine much info. Much of the info on this are opinions of democrats and liberals.
wow stray you really do hate these men and its been in these posts lately with bush and mccain.honestly stray do you think you should stay in the military I mean you hate the un you hate the govornment you hate the commander in cheif-sp? you hate war so why stay in the service if you cant back the united states of america and listen I'm not attacking you but kinda curious
let me clarify if i'm in the service i will uphold any decision my commander in cheif says.
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hate motivates deep, how many young iraqi's have had family killed or murdered in the war and they did nothing to desrve it, had not one thing to do with our freedom
the false believe that terrorism is something that can be stopped and won in a war is not very real
u can identify it, contain it, work against it, yet, to believe it can be defeated is too believe you can control peoples thoughts
--Trip to an extent I do agree with you. But look at this… those same families who have lost would have lost the same or more under Sadaam. No different than the families of the Revolutionary war. One similarity is that we have, and did then, a voluntary army. I served, my father served, My Grandfather served and so did my Great Grand father and his father served. That is the sacrifice that a few make for so many and why we can discuss this issue. Different view points make this the best country in the world. Yes there are more than 4200 lives that have been lost in more than five years of war, and I'd gladly give mine in exchange for any of those soldiers, but look at the past and see where so many brave souls gave their lives. They Volunteered. They Gave. They Died. And we can discuss. BUT NEVER FORGET THEM!
wow stray you really do hate these men and its been in these posts lately with bush and mccain.honestly stray do you think you should stay in the military I mean you hate the un you hate the govornment you hate the commander in cheif-sp? you hate war so why stay in the service if you cant back the united states of america and listen I'm not attacking you but kinda curious
let me clarify if i'm in the service i will uphold any decision my commander in cheif says.
heres the paradox fuzo..i swore to uphold the constitution of the united states and the orders of those appointed over me...
so when they conflict each other i have to choose sides..i choose the side of the constitution...
i cant not say enough that i love my country...i just want it back..i want it back from the elitists...from the corporations...i wish it were really for the people like it was meant to be...the government is stealing everything that we are...and theyre getting away with it..for kryste sakes they just taxed our children and our grandchildren with these bailouts...did they ask us? do they ever ask our opinions for anything?...we put them there to serve us..not themselves...and do you want to know why im staying in the military?
because theyre running the country into the ground and i need to have a job and stability..thats why...call me selfish..but im looking out for number one and my family...
--Trip to an extent I do agree with you. But look at this… those same families who have lost would have lost the same or more under Sadaam. No different than the families of the Revolutionary war. One similarity is that we have, and did then, a voluntary army. I served, my father served, My Grandfather served and so did my Great Grand father and his father served. That is the sacrifice that a few make for so many and why we can discuss this issue. Different view points make this the best country in the world. Yes there are more than 4200 lives that have been lost in more than five years of war, and I'd gladly give mine in exchange for any of those soldiers, but look at the past and see where so many brave souls gave their lives. They Volunteered. They Gave. They Died. And we can discuss. BUT NEVER FORGET THEM!
u cannot state factually what families would FEEL, and thus form value systems under Saddam, and how they would respond, i though am fairly confident alot of hatred has been built up because we've killed over 100,000 irqi's and maimend another 80k, that hatred takes two generations too abate
the revolutionary war was fought over the constitution, by americans on both sides, it only took 100 years for the south to finally abandon vehement hatred and treatment of blacks, and the period was put on that century by the civil rights movement and enacting into law what was 100 years overdue
now two generations have been born, and while there is still hatred, it's by idiots and nut jobs, and fortunately demographically they are few
my point is almost everything u do as a government has a 70 year footprint, 70 years, most folks don't think past 7 weeks
bin laden didn't hate us because we were rich or not muslims, he hates we did not step in and help save 6 million afgans who died, again, i'm not debating that point, all i'm saying is that nut jobs in a way are created by the times
u cannot state factually what families would FEEL, and thus form value systems under Saddam, and how they would respond, I though am fairly confident allot of hatred has been built up because we've killed over 100,000 Iraqi’s and maimed another 80k, that hatred takes two generations too abate.
--I do not factually know. But people shoud agree but there are more factors than just hate of Sadaam that should be considered. When you say “we killed” is that the US or the Militants?
The revolutionary war was fought over the constitution, by Americans on both sides, it only took 100 years for the south to finally abandon vehement hatred and treatment of blacks, and the period was put on that century by the civil rights movement and enacting into law what was 100 years overdue
-- I agree. But to you earlier point compare and contrast. I’m just offering a perspective that many Americans could correlate. But throw the towel over me because my maternal side of the family owned slaves abet for a brief period of 8 years, but their generations have taught me and my family not to think of colour but personal characteristic as the most important thing. And both sides of my family gave lives to insure the constition that we commonly refer too.
Now two generations have been born, and while there is still hatred, it's by idiots and nut jobs, and fortunately demographically they are few
--I agree with you on hatred.
My point is almost everything u do as a government has a 70 year footprint, 70 years, most folks don't think past 7 weeks
bin laden didn't hate us because we were rich or not Muslims, he hates we did not step in and help save 6 million afghans who died, again, I’m not debating that point, all I’m saying is that nut jobs in a way are created by the times
--Trip where do you see the next 70 years and how this country should grow?
One last thing for us to ponder as Americans... where can we as a people, under one nation, under different Gods go to make life better without suffocating the fundamentals of the economy?
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IMHO, what most people don't truly understand is.............
WE LIVE LIKE WE LIVE BECAUSE WE CAN
our standard of living is what it is because societies work together as a whole and create what is in there best interest............better living standards
over the next 70 years the world will raise living standards for the 3 billion capitalists who just joined the freedom movement
in the last 20 years here is the scorecard
1980 china's 1.5 billion became capitalists
1990 thru bankruptcy of afgan war, they dissolved, and said wtf, we'll try capitalism, there's 200 million
1998 a dozen asian countries thru in there lot with capitalism, thailand, vietnam, etc., there's another 300 million
you get the picture
what is in the way..........sustainability
food, not a problem overall, commodities, steel, copper, coal, we got plenty, harder too get, yet still plentiful
ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY, we are in a transitions phase worlwide, keeping it simple..........Energy Technology
Wind Works, Soloar Works, Still Plenty of Hydro-electric to be tapped
both wind and solar has now reached critical cost reductions so they can be mass marketed
u'll see within the next twenty years, when we reshingle a house it will be with solar shingles
right now worlwide we have 20 large industrial grade, similar to coal power plant, solar energy plants,
in texas we have huge windfarms, they will be more prominient to come
and we will get electic cars, from solar and sun
so, we'll bascially over the next 50 years switch over too 80% renewables to 20% carbon based,
the good news is timbuktu, let's use afgan here, has zero infra for energy, so they can go solar and wind when they do go, which probably won't be for 25 years, etc.
as much as the last year has been a catastrophe's we've learned some lessons
a. we will have a national energy policy
b. we will have a more rational war policy
c. we will have a more rational fiscal policy
on wind and solar, think of it this way
in 1955 they figured out cell phones, took until 85 when we got portable bricks, 1995 mass marketed, and look at the jump in benefits and capabilities of our phones now
wind and solar, all figured out and ready too go by 1975, 1995 first installs, 2005 they had the bugs worked out, and with oil high they are actually a better long term investment for power companies..........so, once they start doing mass installs of huge projects, which are starting now, in 2020 it will reach cost effectiveness of being availble to us
so, 14 years from now, till we get over the energy hump
The History of Man In One Word: PROGRESS
so, until man changes who and what they are we will progress, bumps along the way, yet, i am man/woman watch me progress, the roars are usually 30 years behind us and are not heard
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