Liberal Kool Aid

[firstenrgy]

Re: Liberal Kool Aid

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

[Klash]

Re: Liberal Kool Aid

^ "Lose all faith" implies that faith is a needed attribute; we will eventually drop beliefs that require faith (irrational and dogmatic beliefs) because it is counter productive to happiness and success. Of course, neither one of us will see this society. What kind of deficits do you think societies built on logic would have? In other words, how would it not be exciting? ...or how would a world built around faith be better? [is a better question]


...and yes not believing in god is logical.
...and yes being logical is not automatic it is a choice but the more logical one is the happier and more successful one will be at his life.

[daved150]

Re: Liberal Kool Aid

^Why do you think Capitalism will be the norm eventually? It is the logical solution - same with atheism; you just don't want to see it yet but your descendants will deny faith. Man is a rational animaland he will eventually possess rational societies; I would say it is inevitable unless man becomes extinct.

it's not the "logical solution"!!! what the hell does that even mean? that it's "logical" for me not to believe in g od? what so "logical" about that??!! i dont believe in wearing baseball hats sideways either, is that "logical"? i dont believe in whiping my ass with one ply, is that "logical"...wait....that one is. my point is faith in g od has nothing to do with logic. "man is rational"?..man is animal. man CLEARLY does not do everything logically!!! boy, you got some great hope for the leap we, as an animal, is gonna make in the future!! we're all gonna start being completly logical to the point where we loose all faith....(dosnt really sound like anything to be excited about, huh?)

[Klash]

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[Klash]

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^Why do you think Capitalism will be the norm eventually? It is the logical solution - same with atheism; you just don't want to see it yet but your descendants will deny faith. Man is a rational animal and he will eventually possess rational societies; I would say it is inevitable unless man becomes extinct.

[daved150]

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I agree with that. Capitalism and atheism will be the norm eventually, I'd just rather it be sooner than later.

...lol. stop it!! your putting words in his mouth you tricky fuk!! just cus you got's a free pass dont go abusing it, lol

[Klash]

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ahhhhhh, now we agree

captilism, ie, freedom will eventually be the norm, it's only a 300 yr old idea

I agree with that. Capitalism and atheism will be the norm eventually, I'd just rather it be sooner than later.

[trip]

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oh, on war, i'm not against it at all

another of my issues

historically, factually, there has been a major war every ten years forever

what does billy boy do, started by bush one, well we get a peace dividend and they start dismantiling the military in '89, they closed bases and discharged tens of thousands of officers, and put little emphasis on recruiting

i guess they knew we'd never have another war

idiocy, again, arghhhhhhhhhhh

it's just you hope the government would be smarter than all this stuff

[trip]

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ahhhhhh, now we agree

captilism, ie, freedom will eventually be the norm, it's only a 300 yr old idea

i've posted this before

if you look at dictators, they see people as human capital, the way too exploit it is too control it

with freedom capital is idea's, machines, assets, that last and work ten times better than the operator

terrorits want folks to follow there value system which is follow are rules and you are inferior and we exploit u

with freedom we have equal opportunity explotation, all aboard


folks threaten crap all the time, countries are just people, people say, i'm going too kill you, which fwiw, has happened too me, which when it does you read em the riot act, and keep watch and ready


oh, which goes back to one of my issues, lol, bin laden wrote us a letter in 97 declaring war on us, and wtf did we do, watched em, ala clinton, total idiocy

and when bush came in the cia'r's brought this up too him, and he totally ignored it for 9 months

[Klash]

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man, russia had 10,000 of em for 20 years

i don't understand u klash, that's just like saying, an asshole can't have a gun


right now we have 12 countries with wmd's


now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-war, i'm just very much like colin powell, the last final straw

going back to regan, he bankrupted them, russia get's in a pcikle war, we fund the afgans, and reagan gets saudi to lower price of oil to ten bucks when it is 20, and walla, russia has zero income cause they were the 5th largest oil seller

oh and it is not our job to force our value system on either other countries or invdividuals, that denies others freedom of choice

it is our job too lead by example, to show, too talk, too discuss and invite, not force

does force work with your family

Nah an asshole can have a gun and if he goes on tv telling people he's going to kill a friend of mine that I value - I will arm myself and my friend and will help my friend kill him at the sign of any attack.

Now when you take this to the next level and your talking about weapons of mass destruction. It changes the dynamics of the equation a little. If a dictator who has no respect for human rights, encourages attacks on societies that do and threatens to use or has used WMD's. Then you do not let them have the chance to use them or use them again. You attack them.

I would not have a policy of forcing my value system on people but I would be highly aware of people who did not share my values of human life and I would take their words seriously and if they were a threat to my life and my values - I'd neutralize them.

...but your on to something, our world is essentially in a war between ideologies and people will learn to accept the ideas of freedom or war will be inevitable until they are those who oppose freedom are eliminated or enlightened.

[trip]

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man, russia had 10,000 of em for 20 years

i don't understand u klash, that's just like saying, an asshole can't have a gun


right now we have 12 countries with wmd's


now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-war, i'm just very much like colin powell, the last final straw

going back to regan, he bankrupted them, russia get's in a pcikle war, we fund the afgans, and reagan gets saudi to lower price of oil to ten bucks when it is 20, and walla, russia has zero income cause they were the 5th largest oil seller

oh and it is not our job to force our value system on either other countries or invdividuals, that denies others freedom of choice

it is our job too lead by example, to show, too talk, too discuss and invite, not force

does force work with your family

[Klash]

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^ do you not agree that it is sometimes necessary? Especially against dictators who do not understand the concept of individual freedom or recognize fundamental human rights. If a dictator or a nation does not recognize individual rights how can you allow them to possess WMD. You cannot.

[trip]

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war was stupid, my typical

[Klash]

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^don't get your point....

[trip]

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there was false intelligence, that was the whole point of the scooter libby trial

the war has cost you 20k per family and growing, and cost of gallon of gas has tripled


guess for some folks it worked out really well

and selling the oil, ummmmm, they knew that was going on for a decade, that was the reason he had not been in compliance


in todays global economy, where money, guns, and information flow easily, it just intensifies the examples of vietnam, russia/china funded the cong with guns and money, we funded the afgans against russia, now what did they think would happen after the invasion, oh yeah, we will be greeted as liberators by all and they will put down there arms and celebrate, that's cheney almost verbatem

what happened, i'm sorry guys these are 1 + 1 = 2 equations to me