Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

[daved150]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

I'm in the real estate industry. Why, what are you thinking?

no wheels turning bro...just never talked with you about it before, but have been wondering for awhile.....was thinking, probobly, one of those proffesional student types...your a pretty smart dude. (even when your views are fuked up, your pretty bright with your fukedupedness...(refering to dog fights)...)

real estate industry huh...maintnance man? sign sticker upper? agent? not trying to be nosey...just trying to understand you

[Klash]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

no wheels turning bro...just never talked with you about it before, but have been wondering for awhile.....was thinking, probobly, one of those proffesional student types...your a pretty smart dude. (even when your views are fuked up, your pretty bright with your fukedupedness...(refering to dog fights)...)

real estate industry huh...maintnance man? sign sticker upper? agent? not trying to be nosey...just trying to understand you

professional student types? Thanks alot...<facetious>

Na, seriously thanks - if that was a compliment!

[daved150]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

professional student types? Thanks alot...<facetious>

Na, seriously thanks - if that was a compliment!

oh, no...that wasnt a compliment, you were right the first time, lol!!!...just seems like you've spent alot of time reading, studying, so i assumed. not a put down or compliment. were do you get the time for all the studying, or are you able to easily retain what you read? (the end part...that was the comp. you are pretty bright for being fuked up)

[Klash]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

oh, no...that wasnt a compliment, you were right the first time, lol!!!...just seems like you've spent alot of time reading, studying, so i assumed. not a put down or compliment. were do you get the time for all the studying, or are you able to easily retain what you read? (the end part...that was the comp. you are pretty bright for being fuked up)

The bright part is a delusion. I just defend the easiest hill (philosophically speaking) in debates. I won't defend something that is irrational. Don't mistake most rational with most accepted, for example "dog fighting".

I spent a lot of time studying philosophy/religion when I was younger but there is no need for people to study a bunch of b.s. You read the first book I listed above and it will feel like your I.Q. went up 20 points. Once you establish a permanent standard to apply all issues to (reason), you will be able to learn and retain much easier and dismiss irrational arguments that in the past would have wasted much of your time.

You have to be willing to potentially become a nonconforming person though (or fuked up, as you put it), because strict rational thought is not mainstream and it may not be worth it to you in your life.

If you ever read it bump this thread.

[FUZO]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

I CANT WAIT TO SEE OBAMA'S SPEECH

[daved150]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

yea....honestly dude, i'm WAAAY too busy for that much reason! i'm thinking, i can make a good living, enjoy my wife and kids, and live out a very nice life (including getting laid on the regular baises) and be nowhere near your level of reasoning! and the last thing i want to participate in is "strict rational thought"....anything that strict, dont sound like all that much fun.
but hey...i appreciate your help (i did ask), and will continue to enjoy your post's and let you do most the work.

[trip]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

If people's reasonings are based on emotion and not logical - then they are not reasoning are they? To dismiss logic because of your perception, that in general people aren't (logical), is suggesting rational thought is dependent on the majority; it isn't. A person with a rational philosophy understands people with an irrational philosophy better than they understand themselves; read Atlas Shrugged, it reads as a parody on our current, liberal political movements.

I never dismissed logic, i agree with your point though, that is why i always say, "To Lead First U Must Understand" , the whole point is how do you lead people who are not logical, that is why i have some disagreements with ayn rand stuff. FWIW, i've read the shrug, and like I said others.

And I don't dismiss it all based on "perception", i have disagreements with it based on expereince, leading groups, coaching folks, counseling folks, etc.

I give a course in emotions, now 99% of folks have had 12-16 years of logical training, hmmmmmm, about 15,000 hours total, and zero hours on emotion.

Now, it could just be me, and i run into only certain types of people, it just seems that when they study and learn emotions a majority of there problems go away.

Then the next step, which is harder than heck, to accept how emotions drive almost everything.

[Klash]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

yea....honestly dude, i'm WAAAY too busy for that much reason! i'm thinking, i can make a good living, enjoy my wife and kids, and live out a very nice life (including getting laid on the regular baises) and be nowhere near your level of reasoning! and the last thing i want to participate in is "strict rational thought"....anything that strict, dont sound like all that much fun.
but hey...i appreciate your help (i did ask), and will continue to enjoy your post's and let you do most the work.

LOL! That's about what my wife says. Deep thoughts do help you get through cardio, though.

[Klash]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

I never dismissed logic, i agree with your point though, that is why i always say, "To Lead First U Must Understand" , the whole point is how do you lead people who are not logical, that is why i have some disagreements with ayn rand stuff. FWIW, i've read the shrug, and like I said others.

If people choose to dismiss logic - you can't lead them if your wanting to lead rationally?

And I don't dismiss it all based on "perception", i have disagreements with it based on expereince, leading groups, coaching folks, counseling folks, etc.

I give a course in emotions, now 99% of folks have had 12-16 years of logical training, hmmmmmm, about 15,000 hours total, and zero hours on emotion.

I think I know what you are stating but IMO, emotions and logic are not separate issues. Emotions reflect a persons beliefs. Emotions are a gauge of your beliefs, rational or irrational. If you have irrational beliefs your emotions will reflect that.

For instance, when a husband gets mad when other men look at his wife. He is displaying his belief that he is the only man that should be able to look at his wife; a very irrational belief. If he only gets mad when a certain type of man looks at his wife; that may be displaying that he believes a certain culture is inferior to his (which may be rational or irrational).

...suggesting our school systems provide 12 years of logical training is a bit of an overstatement but I know what you mean, our society implies emotions in the raw (without introspection) are as good as reasoning, implying that it is separate and equal to reasoning, e.g. "go with your gut", "it's what my heart tells me", etc.

Now, it could just be me, and i run into only certain types of people, it just seems that when they study and learn emotions a majority of there problems go away.

Then the next step, which is harder than heck, to accept how emotions drive almost everything.

I agree with this. I always ponder on how many psychological "diagnosis" are actually a result of a faulty belief system. As a result of living in a society sensitive to irrational thought, they are drugged instead of corrected.

[horsepwr]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

Aren't we taught to separate our emotions from reasoning? Not to make decisions based on emotion?

It seems like that should only be an issue in very special circumstances though. So long as the individual that's in power is reasonable. Which is why both of your (Klash and trip) arguments make strong points against Obama.

[trip]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

U hit the nail on the head, Klash.

It all boils down to faulty belief systems.

I'd say 80&#37; if the time, withinn 3 hours, i can nail a persons belief systems, thus, i have a "best guess" of which ones are faulty.

NOw, over time, i usually can figure out where they came from, how long before i can lead them to see and change, well, some a month, some 10 years.

Let's say your brain is a computer with ten billion lines of code and u have 100 lines of code associated with inccorrect beliefs, now this 100 is connected to the billions, to indentify the incorrect code, find out where it resides and why, and change takes time.

Here is the hard part, Dr. Levine, "A Mind at a Time", right now he estimates the brain can be wired 7,000 different ways.

Now add that onto the equation and u can see it is needle in the haystack stuff.

And if people don't want to help themselves, not much i can do.

good stuff guys, imho

[trip]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

I have 50 or so things i repeat often, stock answers to stuff.

I make a comparison to real estate. A realator doesn't drive down the steet and every house he see's in his head he goes, oh, there's a 3-2-2 worth 200k, a 5-4 on 8 acres worth a mil, etc., he uses his expertise when needed. That's kind a what i do, a skill, learned that i pull out when needed to solve stuff

[trip]

Re: Obama's pastor (for nearly 20 years)

I don't understand how people can be so pro freedom and Ron Paul, and on the other hand, an absolute one-eighty and think that a liberal direction would be good. That's polar opposites.

fwiw, guys, there are 3-4 ohter posts like this, i have been thinking hard about this the past two days, u guys may be right, and i may be wrong here, it's possible my emotional blindness and excitement in seeing great leadership at work, which imho, is true, has created an emotional bias, i'm still working on the internal conflict

we shall see