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TO THINK BETTER WE AL NEED TO QUESTION ARE OWN THINKING
on the flip, the point is we believe it is healthy, majority thinks we are criminals, why, they have zero information and have not thought for themselves thru diligent research
he also was a marine, he also comes from a different era and culture
the anger some people display is tantamont to he is really al quida church and has been controlling minds for 30 years
and like most things, it's my frustration on these posts, bear sterns problem on wall street is very serious and people are not thinking things thru correctly, and these are are leaders, one point for dj and his depression theory, last week we had a classic 101 RUN ON A BANK
now, 99.99999% have zero information on what this is and means, let's just say it ain't good, cause if there is one rat in the woodpile there arre likely a dozen
I think I see your point, but I don't think his era and culture has anything to do with it. The anger that he's screaming is the same ole tune that's been played out. There are people a generation younger than that guy, and from a totally different culture, yelling the same stuff.
I think I see your point, but I don't think his era and culture has anything to do with it. The anger that he's screaming is the same ole tune that's been played out. There are people a generation younger than that guy, and from a totally different culture, yelling the same stuff.
pfft...good. explain it to me! sorry trip, but sometimes when you post, it's like you think i'm sitting in front of you and can read through what your saying...
and i am sorry, but i think the pastore is a flake and i question obama's decission of attending a church that runs on this theme. if the guy wants to preach politics, instead of *** or budda or whatever, i find it hard to believe that it's best to be done in a church. and i base this on SLIGHTLY more than 3 minute's of video (i think i've seen about 15minute's worth now). i dont go to the shoe store to get a guy to give me his opinions on how the uaw jacked ford up, and i wouldnt go to church to hear a guy's opinion of "white mans" mis doing's!
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
when are we going too put the employee's of enron, and worldcom, and tyco in jail with ther ceo's, hell, they worked there, how much more ingrained can u get
man, a preacher for 50 years u see 3 minutes of video and now u are ready to judge there lifes be there juries for him and his friends
No freaking way! People go to work to make a living so they can have money and survive. A Muslim can work for an atheist, a Christian, a Buddhist, a self proclaimed Jedi, a murderer, etc. It does not imply an agreement on philosophical issues at all; it implies agreement on nothing except a trade agreement of work for payment.
A church is completely different. If someone goes to a Christian Church it is safe to assume they believe that a person named Jesus Christ is the son of *** and died for humanities sins. If that person goes to a church that represents a radical sect or denomination; it is safe to assume they hold similar beliefs. For example, if a Christian goes to a chruch that teaches Universal reconciliation, it is safe to assume that Christian is at least interested in that issue - if that Christian maintains membership for 20 years it is safe to assume that Christian believes in Universal Reconciliation.
Put this in context with Barrack Obama and it is not only safe to assume he shares the beliefs of this radical sect but it explains some of the things that have been brought to attention throughout his campaign. For example, his wife stating: for the first time in her adult lifetime that she is proud of her country and Barrack not holding his hand over his heart during the national anthem, now be seen in a different light when put in the context of his preacher's ideology.
well his ear and culture environment influences his point of view of life, some accept and believe in his view and others reject it
i'm a real simple kiss guy, keep it simple simple
live
liberty
pursuit of happiness
has he denied or tried to physical hurt others lives, ummm, no
liberty, freedom, is he trying to deny freedoms, doesn't believe in it, votes for totalitarianism, communism
pursuit of happiness, that is all he is doing, he believes he is helping others, and since he probably has that just grounds him more in his beliefs
one of mine is.....people do not change ( and or societies ) thru criticism
thus, personally i'm very suspicious of criticism, does not mean i don't listen to it, or consider it or try and learn from it, just on average most of time it is not a helper
anyways this preacher said same things many others have, how many white preachers always say catastrophe's are caused by america's sins, there are tons of those out there, most of us think there thinking is pretty ludicrous, many said 9-11 was *** punishing us
anyways, imho, i think all of this stuff is great, cause i think it leads to better understanding, overall imho we are starting to realize folks and cultures do have anger feelings, that are legit, and rather than criticism them for it, we can agree and say yeah i see your point of view and here is where we all are now which is good and let's both work to make it better
my best friend in high school/college was black, thru that close relationship, which started out from a mutual love of cars and guitars, i ended up learning thru his patience in teaching me, how they see certain things a little differently, they are patriots, yet, still suspicious of certain things
and hey i'm the first guy to say, i really do not like economically disadvanteed area's of my city town, which i've done biz in and hung out in before, why, where most murders happen, stupid random ones, why, at times there is not a great confiction for sanctity of life in underprivladeged area's which lead to bad decisions overall
anyways, i don't condone, just saying i understand where and why they come from and why he believes it
also, need to note, counseling people, u would not believe some of the crazy **** people beieve deep down inside cause of what there live has been like, we all see the world thru our own glasses, even me
the enron analagoy was just saying, you can paint stuff many ways, i read the seminal book on the subject and u would not believe the inside story stuff
what ur trying to say though is "integrity" is not involved in money
my point on enron was most folks in all these situations did not know, what they said and did were two different things
if one of us was in the public spotlight and it was discovered we do as and post here, can u imagine the field day, can u imagine how many opinions would be formed about us based on total nothingness
and how would we all feel and react when they said that stuff about us, and what could we really do about it
ok...now i think i see your point trip...pastore's still a flake and i still question obama attending this flakes church for 20 yrs. yes, i realize this means, if i were in the public eye and was found to be here, and enjoying use of a.s. some would dismiss me as a flake and say all kinds of shyt...i'm good with that. i'll refrain from running for office.. (FUZO!!!! see the shyt i take for you and this board!! you cost me a presidency pal!!! now i cant even fukin run!!)
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
Trip, it is obvious this pastors standard that he applies everything to, is race.
Jesus was a victim of mighty whitey. The Palestinians (colored people) are victims of mighty whitey. 9/11 was a result to remind mighty whitey colored people are still here. You don't have to be a genius to see these beliefs could be dangerous and would just lead the western world to more appeasement to terrorism.
The criticism Obama's pastor is receiving is not intended to provide enlightenment for Wright or Obama but to provide enlightenment for the populous on Obama's beliefs to see if whether his beliefs correlate with the goals of where they want America to accomplish. I think it is important to know whether a presidential candidate perceives terrorists as victims of mighty whitey.
anyways this preacher said same things many others have, how many white preachers always say catastrophe's are caused by america's sins, there are tons of those out there, most of us think there thinking is pretty ludicrous, many said 9-11 was *** punishing us
Yeah and those white preachers were ridiculed but those preachers never suggested that the terrorist are colored victims retaliating to send a message to white America. A president that applies everything to the race standard is something his potential constituents need to know about.
I understand that everybody doesn't see things the same. Some folks were more priviledged than others. Some folks, like rev Wright, apparently can't get passed issues and put some things in the past where they belong. I think almost everyone has had difficulties thru life that were bestowed upon us by others, but to hold on to that and to keep resurfacing those feelings isn't responsible. That is about as destructive as saying that alcohol, weed and blow helped you thru a confused time. The standards for a president of a country should indeed be very high. They should have every aspect of their life dissected and screened thoroughly. We're not talking about the manager of McDonalds. We're not talking about one of us either. When someone runs for president of the USA, they should darn well be examined fully and I think that relationships such as the one we're talking about are extremely important. It gives a good look into the person's character and belief system. And I'm not comfortable at all with someone that finds home and comfort and a "sense of belonging" in a place like Trinity church. Obama was reluctant to distance himself from Wright's now infamous statements. He was reluctant to even say he would quit going to that church if he'd heard those things repeated. The reason why is because that has always been the "tone and tenor" of that church. People usually don't get more radical as they grow older and richer. They usually chill out over time, from what I've seen.
never ever said anything about supporting it, in real terms what am i suppose to do about it
i got no problems with the discussion or how folks see things or that obama should be fully examined
overall to me an lot's of others just a non-issue and why
all of struggle have problems, thus, looking for perfection in ourselves and others is non-realistic, i always look for the good, cause then when evil appears i don't quiver or wonder wrf, it jumps out like jack in the box
thus, for clinton not to realize the extend of obama in the '90's is more of an issue for me to this day, why didn't mc cain, when we got the declaration of war letter from osama in '96, didn't stand up
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hillary will be swift boated to death, she is mega co-dependent, they will get a 100phychiatrists to question her mental capabilities
who stays with a philadered for 40 years
when u queestion someone mental state there is not much defending it, when u have facts to question it with
20 minutes of research about co-dependecy by anyone on the inet will educate enough to say, wow, what would a co-dependent want, a co-dependent country
she'd take the worst presidential drubbing in history
never ever said anything about supporting it, in real terms what am i suppose to do about it
In real terms, if you see someones beliefs as bigoted, incorrect and dangerous - you say so. You don't dismiss it trying to rationalize it with lame excuses. His actions speak for themselves. He has remained a member at a hate church for 20 years.
i got no problems with the discussion or how folks see things or that obama should be fully examined
overall to me an lot's of others just a non-issue and why
all of struggle have problems, thus, looking for perfection in ourselves and others is non-realistic, i always look for the good, cause then when evil appears i don't quiver or wonder wrf, it jumps out like jack in the box
Looking for perfection? Na, I just strongly disagree with bigotry and viewing Palestinians (terrorists) as victims of the white man and I understand those beliefs will create his policies.
thus, for clinton not to realize the extend of obama in the '90's is more of an issue for me to this day, why didn't mc cain, when we got the declaration of war letter from osama in '96, didn't stand up
that stuff p's me off, not stuff like this
...and you don't think Clinton's character and beliefs are consistent with how he handled Osama. Clinton was an appeaser, he treated Yasser Arafat, like a legitimate head of state; which would also be consistent with someone who saw Palestinians as colored people standing up to whitey. Clinton may have not condoned Osama's actions but maybe he understood them and looked at the good in everyone and thought if we decreased military power, others would follow suit instead of blaming and hating us. If Clinton's irrational beliefs upset you, why give Obama a pass on his.?
Beliefs (especially core beliefs) matter and for a president they determine policy.
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