Obama voters

[daved150]

Re: Obama voters

i'm not liking any of these canidates!! can we just start over and pick new teams for both party's??!

[bowbow]

Re: Obama voters

Barack Hussein Obama, the Clintons, the rest of the democratic party and the people that get government checks for bogus reasons that vote democrat for that very reason.

You do realize that the democratic party has a liberalist/activist agenda, and they pushed to give rebates to the non-working people instead of the people that work and actually pay into the pot under the pretense that that would be better for the economy. And, the widely known extreme whack liberal group at moveon.org endorses Obama. Also, I would figure that anyone that plans to vote for Obama obviously doesn't know that he refuses to cross his heart for Ole Glory. I understand that he holds a dear and strong belief in his Islamic heritage and upbringing, but that is far from what America needs in a president. The kid that wouldn't stand for the pledge is running for president of the United States of America.

Again I'm glad I don't share your view on things.

[bowbow]

Re: Obama voters

i'm not liking any of these canidates!! can we just start over and pick new teams for both party's??!

Agreed

[horsepwr]

Re: Obama voters

Again I'm glad I don't share your view on things.

If you support the agenda of the far left and believe everything that comes out of that party as true and real priority, then believe me when I say that I feel truly blessed to not share that distorted view with you.
And don't get me wrong and think that I eat everything that's handed out by the far right as a great path either. I know where I stand and what true values I hold dear. Again, you have no idea what my view on things is other than what I just gave you, and if you support giving money to a corrupt group of people that nurse from the tit of working society under false pretense, then you go right ahead. And if you don't have enough pride in your country to stand up and cross your heart to our stars and stripes, then that's your downfall.

[trip]

Re: Obama voters

WTF? I'm not a supporter of republicans or democrats but horse is right? how ignorant to make a decision on color or one single issue...that is what puts people in the house everytime. Every president has done good and bad things its politics man. It sucks. Its not for the people. It has nothing to do with the average citizen. But your statement is just as ignorant. Go vote for Obama, I guarantee there will be just as many issues with him as with Bush. Thats how it is our country is to big to satify everyone.

I wish we could have another Abe Lincoln, some selfless soul who was born to lead. But it will never happen cause Abe Lincoln had no money. Its all about power and money. Until there is massive tragedy in this world setting us back we will never see leaders like Abe again.

food for thought, and theres more where that came from

It's pretty much historically a fact.

You can predict with pretty good accuracy based on one simple item, did the sitting president screw something up. If he did you get the exact opposite.

Nixon a crook, elected Carter, and honest christian.

Carter, enacted price freezes, and had no response for iran hostages. In reverse we got, free market Regan who was super strong on Miliatary. don't forget, week before inouguration hostages released, and ussr broke up in '89.

Regain success, we want more, we get VP Bush.

Bush, "Read my lips.....no new taxes" pledge and promise. What did he do, we had budgert problems from military build-up to bring ussr to it's knee's. We hit a mild reccession after first iraq war, and to pay for it all, bush raised taxes. Enraged folks, breaking promise, plus war, we Get Clinton.

Clinton benefits from tax increase, he get's a road map to balanced budget, stock market takes off, tax receipts rise, he get's re-elected. Clinton is basically a personal nightmare, he get's impeached and lie-ed underoath, somehow folks always forget that. While on his watch, al-quida declared war on us in 97, ya know bin laden was even nice enough to send us a letter, and what did he do, not a damned thing.

Clintons basically liars and thiefs, what did we get, Squeky Clean Bush II.

Bush II, well hate to say it, yet, he will go down as the worst president in history, if you do research on what has gone on in the whitehouse, it has basically been run like the mafia, don't ask us a damned thing, if you do we will crush you, don't question are motives, oh and too keep everyone quit we will spend like drunken sailors so everyone is happy with the money.

Actuallty, the guy is right on terrorism issue, he can't hire folks worth a damned, can't manage worth a plum, can't communicate crap, etc. etc. Actually his heart is in the right place, his leadership skills are horrendous.

Plus, how in the hell do you run for president without a sitting encumbent, what is the motivation for that, hmmmmmmmmmmmm, you put your own kingdom above the republican party. Shear idiocy.

So, here we are. Bush is so disliked by all, all his own fault by the way, with no sitting encumbant, it's a race like no other, not seen since 1928.


Personally I'm on the Fence.

Note now folks, I teach LEADERSHIP TRAINING, so i can spot the skills a mile away.

The Best..........Huckabee & Obama. Best since regan hands down, of any public figures, they are in the top 3% of all leaders, these guys are masters of the universe at leadership.

Good to Okay, Mc Cain, Romney.

The Worst......Hillary, she does not know clue one about leadership.

Here's the scariest thought in the world:

TO LEAD FIRST YOU MUST UNDERSTAND

KNOW THYSELF

here we have a sixty year old women who declares at the age of sixty, I'VE FINALLY FOUND MY VOICE

if you never understood yourself how can you understand others

this is a recipe for utter total disastor

THIS WOMEN IS CO-DENDEPNT TO THE MAX, why do stay with a serial philanderer for life................................

Why do you get so sad, in new hampshire about others troubles.

Duh, lady we all feel the same damned way, except we all learned how to express it in our 20's, not our sixty's, and we have all learned how to deal with those feelings, and u just started down that road a month ago at the age of sixty.

Scary to max.

when it comes to leadership training this is one of the things i harp on

WITH LEADERSHIP WE OVERESTIMATE THE PACE OF CHANGE, AND UNDERESTIMATE ONE BAD DECISION CAN LEAD TO RUIN

Obam wins leadership for right now hands down, united all is possible, divided most things never change.

Yes, he is a democrat, yet, he is not a left wing nut, he actually is surrounding him with the best minds in american to help straighten out all the problems.

Paul Volcker is on his side, now 90% folks have no clue he the guy is, who is he, he is the Warren Buffet of how to mange Government Budgets, Fiscal and Monetary Policy. In essence he is the BEST MAN HANDS DOWN TO LEAD US OUT OF THIS FINANCIAL NIGHTMARE.

Obam's team is no different than the patriots, stacked with the best winners in history.



Yet, I'm still on the fence, here's my best guess game plan.

Party Game plans, control white house for 16 years. Why, since you'd have to be a complete idiot to screw it up as bad as bush, you will be seen as a winner. so, u want a vp that can take the reigns.

So, dems, obama/??????? or clinton//////////, possibly obama

Reps, mccain huckabee


Well, when it comes down to it, i will vot FAIR TAX.


Why, fair tax will make us the strongest country in the world going forward into the next 100 years.


Why, THE RICH GET RICHER, as a country this will allow us to get much richer and quicker in a global economy, and the future we will need monumental technological discoveries, which cost monumental dollars, to lead six billion folks to a good sustainable rising standard of living.


that's all i got


if flat tax is not an issue, i'm going obama if he's the nominee, i will never ever vote for a clinton in any way shape or form

[horsepwr]

Re: Obama voters

With fair tax even being on the table, you should vote republican. That's the only way for forward progress of the fair tax. I'm with you on the importance of this, and it's better to stay the coarse for economic growth by at least voting republican than throwing the rudder toward socialism.

[bowbow]

Re: Obama voters

Yeah, We've had so much economic the last 7 years. Are you from the US?

[bowbow]

Re: Obama voters

Stay the coarse for billions more of debt and deeper recession. Not for me.

[horsepwr]

Re: Obama voters

oh, you must think that Clinton was the reason the economy was where it was at a point in his run. The only thing wrong with the economy is the housing market problem which was brought on by democrats. It will bottom out anyday now and start getting back on track. Now, if there's a democrat in office, you'll think they magically did something huh. Believe what you want brother. The only reason anything else is on a freeze right now is because so many businesses aren't sure what's in store with it being election year. You probably don't know which side makes them freeze up either do ya?

[trip]

Re: Obama voters

Well, to get a full understanding of stuff, you need to debate both sides with yourself.

The Economy, what if I said it is the strongest it has ever been????????

What would your response be.

Well, there happens to be a compelling clear argument for it.

Since 2000, the economy weatered,

1. stock market, ie, asset bubble, and we lost 2.5 million jobs
2. 9-11
3. oil prices rising by a factor of five
4. a disastrous war in irag
5. now the sub-prime slime, mild bubble in real estate prices
6. immigration in flow
7. other countries growing there economies much faster
8. rising costs of food is now gaining steam
9. hurrican katrina


What's so good?

1. Corporate Balance Sheets are the best in history. Low debt, low leverage, lean and mean, and very profitable.

it's like horsepower said, most corp. biz leaders are just unsure of the next few years, most problems are obvious, it's just a little cloudy to see where real growth will come from.

2. fiscal and monetary policy is pretty good right now, the only iffy issue is declining dollar, which has yet to be properly addressed, they give it lip service, yet, u wonder what they really want, since they factually do nothing, other countries investors sell the crap out of it, supply and demand in the real world

3. unemployment at 5%, did u know in the derpession unemployment averaged 20% nationwide, for ummmmmm-drum roll, a feaking decade, that is almost un-imaginable

4. the growth in new idea's technoligical inventions is exploding at unprecedented rates, it is also hard too grasp, yet, it's a fact, more genius join capitalism backed with money and u get all kinds of good stuff

5. clean energy, again, not thought about much, yet, solar energy has been around for 40 years, in the last ten the cost has been dropping similar to the cost of pc's, originally they were 5k in 1987, 20 years later 500, within 5-7 years solar will reach a financially cost effective inflection point, at that poing, costs will drop like a rock because of the more they produce the more costs, raw ones, will decline

6. Ummmmm, capitalism, just 17 years ago, we had approximately 2 billion capitalists, now we have 4 billion, that competition for the best creates so many better things, within a few decades 90% of the earth will be capitilistic, ya know, freedom

7. when people do good things, work for there own benefit, good things happpen


on vot, like i said, clinton on a ticket no way ever

fair tax, if they dont make it part of platform, imho, they really don't want too change crap, they just want too control


I'm so over the idiocy of taxes, they talk about them like it's cryptonite.

all you hear from republicans is tax cut, tax cut, tax cut, tax cut, you raised taxes here there etc. etc.

It's complete utter idiocy, taxes are a cost of business, do your costs stay the same???????????

It's not costs that crush biz's, it's mismanagement of costs.

Bush totally mismanaged so many things it is overwhelming, and you can't blame the congress in certain terms cause i'm sure they were thinking , "oh, it can't get worse", and every 3-4 months it did


There were so many problems with bush and the white house it boggles the mind.

Now, required by law, ie, the consitution, all communications in the white house have too be documented, every one of em, not just some, ya know simple **** like record keeping. Thus, all electronic communication must go thru goverment servers to preserve and protect the constitution.

So, what did they do..............80% of all white house workers used the republican national committee servers for electronic communications, for almost 50% of communications. It's not like one or two folks, or one deparment. Every mo-fo every day for 5 years.

And where are the documents, uh-oh, sorry they got LOST IN SPACE.

This is basic biz 101, if you can't do simple **** like add and substract, lord help me if you try and do differential equations, or lord help me, quadratic equations.

what happens when there is blatant mismanagement at the top, and it happens consistently, it sets an example for all employee's over time, that nothing matters and no one is watching, so when the cats away the mice will play, most mice will act nice and not do too much damage except overeat the cheese, but u can damned well bet there will be a half dozen mice who take irrational risks for irrational reasons, and put the entity in a position of the risk of ruin.

Look at Societe' Generale, rougue trader, wipes out 7 billion in capital in, ummmm, ready, two freaking months. A 100 year old institution wipes out a decades worth of profits in two months.

just goes too show

[horsepwr]

Re: Obama voters

Yes, exactly...And we need capitalism to keep a strong forward progression. The young capitalist mind and technological advances should be of major priority. That's where money should go. Just as trip stated..that's how America thrives. From the top CEO to the average joe that will put in 40 a week for that paycheck. Not funnel money to the government for more socialist agendas under the pretense of cleaning up America and to 'help' lower America, or to socialize this or socialize that. Don't buy into that bs. That doesn't help anybody. All that does is hurt the economy and pull money from places it should be going and shouldn't be leaving.

Thank you for the facts trip.

[trip]

Re: Obama voters

Socialist Agenda's by and large HARM PEOPLE

Most government programs are implemented when???

After a major disaster that effects all.

HOw did we get social security?

Came out of the 1929 stock market crash and the resulting decade of depression.

The beginning of the nanny state, okay, oh me oh my, you know how many americans were invested in the market in 1929, less than 10%, many folks lost alot of money. Yet, if you check history no one, not one person jumped out of a window all though that is the myth.

So, government puts into place social security.

Now, instead of the individual having to learn:

how to plan for long term
how to budget for long term
how too save
how too wisely invest

and most of all, how too teach your children what is right and wrong to do with long term goals etc.

it get's taken away, what happens, the knowledge at the ground level the family stagnates and dies in a universal way

you just denied generations of the greatest asset of freedom, the ability to adapt, learn and change for the greater good, and too teach those lessons to your children so you have a generaltional mindset

if folks do not have too seek knowledge they won't

and of course the government in it's internal wisdom thought they had a great plan, average life span is 65, opps now it's 85 and folks who live over 90 make it too 100 most of the time

if you take away responsibility you take away the incentive to learn and better yourself, one of the main reasons communism, totalitarianism, dictatorships die slow deaths

Now, lets go too medicare, good old tricky Nixon, see's the elder need some health care, let's set up a program.

Opps, we did it again, taken away responsibility, take away incentive to learn to be better. With that cost covered what is the incentive to eat right, workout, take your medications on time, live a healthy life-style.

Can u dig it????


Again, no chance to learn and teach.


And worst of all, in simple terms when two people are involved in a decision to move forward, what are the chances for high level of success at the minimum cost.

Or, would you rather have 6-7 people involved, would u take your chances that way.

Your health care 50 years ago, u and doctor and cheap, affordable.

Now, you, your company, your doctor, the drug company, the insurance company, the federal government, the statea government. Guess what they all need too be paid at a profit so they can tell you what to do when to do it, too keep you from being responsible and learning.

i'm done, lol

libetarianism prevail, lol

which, libertarianism, is just another word for Freedom

we need a strong Freedom Party

[horsepwr]

Re: Obama voters

amen brother! People like you make me feel more comfortable about developing minds.

[Klash]

Re: Obama voters

we need a strong Freedom Party

We have the Libertarian Party, or do you mean in we need a strong Freedom Party to be in power?

6. Ummmmm, capitalism, just 17 years ago, we had approximately 2 billion capitalists, now we have 4 billion, that competition for the best creates so many better things, within a few decades 90% of the earth will be capitilistic, ya know, freedom

Man, I hope your right but I don't see capitalism spreading. I see the term being redifined to include heavily government regulated economies as capitalistic. At best you could say we have a mixed economy but IMO, that is only a temporary transitional phase; we will end up with either some form of a statist economy or hopefully we will make a u-turn from our current course back towards the ideal of capitalism.

As long as a society sees pragmatism as a superior form of dealing with problems, we will always gravitate towards some form of statism. In general our society ignores the long term consequences and precedents that they support their government to impose with force and coercion, simply for the percieved, irrational, "feel good" of the instant gratification. That same bad belief can be seen in other areas of our cultrure, e.g. obesity and promiscuous sex.

[trip]

Re: Obama voters

i know we have lib party

it's a horrible name

change the name to freedom party

ask ten people what libetarian mean, 90% don't know or think bad

ask them freedom, they can dig it

it's a branding issue



i understand what u say on the other, imho, you need to identify where problems lie................

PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS

why are all the repubs not running again, why do new guys leave

man, if you're there 20 years you learn how too game the system, not intentionally but that is the environment, new folks come in want to change things and become disgusted

hell, we'd be better off picking names out of a hate for 600 legislatures, pay for a 2 year course of learning for what they need to know, u pass the test u can get paid a million a year for ten years, then you are gone, retired

i'll take 600 free americans working together over any number of politicians

just cuase your a politician doesn't mean your are smart, know what to do, etc.

just means u put up with lotsa bull**** to get votes, that's there job to get votes, not think


don't worry, hears the whole history of the world in one word PROGRESS

not pretty on a daily basis, yet it works very well