Great Depression again?

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i also believe one is coming- im taking all my money out of the bank soon and buying gold.

HAHAHAHAHA! I've already began that process. Silver is also a cheaper alternative that will also work.

[solidground]

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i also believe one is coming- im taking all my money out of the bank soon and buying gold.

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See, it's time for you to move to a better place bro. And yes, the average income is $18 per hour. You have to realize DJ, that included guys like Bill Gates, the Waltons and all the other billionaires too. The average is just that, an average. Now, maybe where you are it's lower, so, move to a better place. I'll give you an example, my wife works part part time, I'm talking less than 15 hours a week at Gymboree and she makes $9.60 an hour. I also know a lot of tech guys who all make in the mid $20's and they are entry level guys. Everyone in construction here starts at about $15 and goes up based on what you can do. I'm telling you, it's where you are and not the whole country. I know a dude who is a framer, his wife stays at home with the three kids and I just appraised his $565k house. I asked him how he does it as a framer and he said 'man, I take home over $2k a week." My client, his loan officer, told me he is rolling in the bucks. And that's a dude who frames houses. I also did an appraisal for a painter I know, his house was $675k and he brings in over a quarter mill a year. So, like I said, if everyone around you is only making $10 a hour, then you need to get the hell out of dodge bro. Obviously, there is more money to be made, you just have to go and take your share. That's how the world works. Those on top, took what they wanted, and those who live pay check to pay check settled for what life gave them. I'm not knocking you, I'm trying to motivate you. If you are half as pasionate about your work as you are Bush, you could be in a million dollare home and debt free in 20 years, easy. It's all in how you structure yourself. If you don't make opportunites, or if they aren't even available, then go find them and conquer them brother. The only thing between you and $20 per hour is you. I know you have the skills, I know you have passion, all you have to do is tell yourself 'enough is enough, I refuse to settle' and go conquer the world bro. Yeah, I make it seem easy, because it is. 80% of the millionaires in this country are self made, 80%!

You have a PM on some more personal stuff.

Just for the record I was saying that stuff as a generalization. When I do have jobs I average $66-$100 an hour. I have no problem with my wages. Sure a few more jobs a month would make me one happy mofo, but I can't really complain.

I'm more *****ing about watching my friends, family, and neighbors struggling horribly because of the economy. It seems as if it's everyone I speak too. Unless you own your own business or have a masters degree you basically can count on living paycheck to paycheck.

I sometimes live paycheck to paycheck but that's because I'll dump huge chunks of money back into my business. If the prices of things weren't jumping up so damn high, I would definitely have more business.

I've seen a trend now that I no longer get middle class customers. It seems 95% of my customers are very rich. If the economy would let up, that would help give me back my bottom end again. But many of those customers that I still keep in contact with are struggling with gas, electric and all of those things I mentioned before. It's quite sad.

[mick-G]

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^He is exactly right on this point. If you have no holds to where you are located DJ, I would def move, but do the research first and find out everything you can about the particular state you are interested in. If i wasn't retiring in a couple yrs, i would be def going out west. I will first be looking at AZ, NV, and a few others. Im doing the research now. Even after i retire i may want to get into a lucrative business, but not where im at, thats for sure, lol! Im not going to invest one dime into an unstable state, where its always been up and down in a recession.

[T-Man007]

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My stats are coming from the fact that everyone I know, and all the people they know all say they make around that wage. Then go and look in the paper to see what wages jobs are offering. $18!!!!! Only for professionals with higher education. The average american does not make $18 an hour!

Besides baby boomers noone under the age of 30 that I know is making even close to $18.

See, it's time for you to move to a better place bro. And yes, the average income is $18 per hour. You have to realize DJ, that included guys like Bill Gates, the Waltons and all the other billionaires too. The average is just that, an average. Now, maybe where you are it's lower, so, move to a better place. I'll give you an example, my wife works part part time, I'm talking less than 15 hours a week at Gymboree and she makes $9.60 an hour. I also know a lot of tech guys who all make in the mid $20's and they are entry level guys. Everyone in construction here starts at about $15 and goes up based on what you can do. I'm telling you, it's where you are and not the whole country. I know a dude who is a framer, his wife stays at home with the three kids and I just appraised his $565k house. I asked him how he does it as a framer and he said 'man, I take home over $2k a week." My client, his loan officer, told me he is rolling in the bucks. And that's a dude who frames houses. I also did an appraisal for a painter I know, his house was $675k and he brings in over a quarter mill a year. So, like I said, if everyone around you is only making $10 a hour, then you need to get the hell out of dodge bro. Obviously, there is more money to be made, you just have to go and take your share. That's how the world works. Those on top, took what they wanted, and those who live pay check to pay check settled for what life gave them. I'm not knocking you, I'm trying to motivate you. If you are half as pasionate about your work as you are Bush, you could be in a million dollare home and debt free in 20 years, easy. It's all in how you structure yourself. If you don't make opportunites, or if they aren't even available, then go find them and conquer them brother. The only thing between you and $20 per hour is you. I know you have the skills, I know you have passion, all you have to do is tell yourself 'enough is enough, I refuse to settle' and go conquer the world bro. Yeah, I make it seem easy, because it is. 80% of the millionaires in this country are self made, 80%!

You have a PM on some more personal stuff.

[supasaiyan99]

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My personal advice is to make sure your sons and daughters get a very good education in either a high tech field or a professional one.

Exactly. Get a professional degree in something stable so that no matter what the economy does you will have a job. Also try to find a job with the government. The government doesn't lay people off! They lay off contractors, but never federal employees.

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DJ, this is waaaay off topic but I'm just wondering do you have an ulcer? I'm actually being completely serious here. I know that you're very passionate about your beliefs and passion is a good thing but Jesus man, you seem really high strung.

No but sometimes I think my head is going to literally explode. Years ago I went to a hospital to have them give me something to calm me down, So they gave me valium. Even the valium wasn't able to do anything.

I've got seriously high levels of adrenalin. So when the average person would get a little mad, I get so mad that I can't breathe, my brain goes numb, I lose feeling in my fingertips, and I want to explode.

Three things in this world set me off.....

1. Inconsideration
2. Stupidity
3. People trying to control me

Any of those three things make me nuts!

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I don't know where your stats are coming from bro. The average wage is $18.33 per hour in this nation, not $10.

My stats are coming from the fact that everyone I know, and all the people they know all say they make around that wage. Then go and look in the paper to see what wages jobs are offering. $18!!!!! Only for professionals with higher education. The average american does not make $18 an hour!

Besides baby boomers noone under the age of 30 that I know is making even close to $18.

[kite]

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DJ, this is waaaay off topic but I'm just wondering do you have an ulcer? I'm actually being completely serious here. I know that you're very passionate about your beliefs and passion is a good thing but Jesus man, you seem really high strung.

[trip]

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Here's How I See It

Some see the glass as half full.

Some see the glass as half empty.

Personally I am amazed that there is such a thing as glass.

If you go back and study history, you will find out one thing, and one thing for certain, everything, and i mean everything we folks complain about today have been the same thing they have complained about from the beginning of time.

And yet, progress is continually made.

Good Luck

[mick-G]

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My personal advice is to make sure your sons and daughters get a very good education in either a high tech field or a professional one. That way they will never have to worry about being without. Many of the ppl in these postitons being laid off in the mid-west, especially in states where vehicles are produced, there is a trickle down effect and these ppl will find it very hard to find the type of pay they are used to getting. Where does a line worker find a job paying 25-30. hr after being permenantly laid off, lol? Western states like Arizona, Colorado, etc have actually economic growth especially in the real estate sectors. Very dif there then in the upper mid-west where many rely on the auto industry as its main source of business structure.

[T-Man007]

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I'll tell you this 95% of the people I know are living paycheck to paycheck. That's not the sign of a booming economy. Noone I know except a few people have any retirement whatsoever set up, which isn't their fault either because if your living paycheck to paycheck how are you supposed to save for retirement? Everyone I know does not live outside there means and already live as basic as they can.

The problem is jobs don't pay well. The average person in this country makes about $10hr. I wouldn't exactly call that a strong economy. With the cost of everything going up...Food, Gas, Electricity, Healthcare, Insurance, Property Taxes; it's almost impossible for people to make it by. A huge problem is wages have stayed the same over the last ten years, and some have actually gone down. How are people supposed to live without struggling if watches don't go up, but the cost of everything does?

So again you guys aren't looking at it in a realistic light. Sure some people can make there own fortune, and yes it is possible. But that is only a path few can take. Most people don't have the know how, or the business sense to take that path. That's why there are leaders and followers. Leaders can take that path, followers need a hourly job with no risk involved.

So again I stand by my original statement.

I don't know where your stats are coming from bro. The average wage is $18.33 per hour in this nation, not $10. As for wages going up, the average wage in 1989 was $16.63. Now, that's not great, but it's up and it's a fact. The average wage has not went down. Sure, in some jobs, yes it has went down. Too much construction, the bust of the tech industry and other things caused jobs in those sectors to receive lower wages in certain parts of the county, but not all over. You just need to move bro. In Colorado, we had a vote and it was overwhelmingly voting in that the minimum wage was raised almost a dollar. We took it upon ourselves to do it. The biggest hit here was the tech industry, We had MCI, Intel, Microsoft and many others and when that all went bust, a lot of those jobs went too. The semiconductor business used to be booming, now it's not. So, guys who made $75k a year are having to settly for $60k. But, that's the ONLY area in this town. Everyone else is doing fine. Every state has it's thing. Dave's state is really struggling because cars are the economy there and when Ford lays off 20,000 people and close several dealerships, that kicks them while they are already down. Also, you are in FL, right? FL is not a good state for small businesses. There's a list of the top 10 States and top 10 cities for small businesses bro, if you aren't in one, then you WILL have a hard time. Now, I was lucky, I moved to a city that is very good for small businesses so I had no problem starting up my own business. But, if I were to start my own thing in 100 different citie across this nation, it would not have worked. In other cities, guys like you and me (self employeed) won't do very well. You move to a place like ATL or one of the other top cities and you would boom baby, I mean boom! Cities like ATL have always been great for small businesses because it's such a melting pot that easy to find new people who don't have someone providing them the service you provide yet. It all goes by where you live.

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How are people supposed to live without struggling if watches don't go up, but the cost of everything does?

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I meant wages don't go up.

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I'll tell you this 95% of the people I know are living paycheck to paycheck. That's not the sign of a booming economy. Noone I know except a few people have any retirement whatsoever set up, which isn't their fault either because if your living paycheck to paycheck how are you supposed to save for retirement? Everyone I know does not live outside there means and already live as basic as they can.

The problem is jobs don't pay well. The average person in this country makes about $10hr. I wouldn't exactly call that a strong economy. With the cost of everything going up...Food, Gas, Electricity, Healthcare, Insurance, Property Taxes; it's almost impossible for people to make it by. A huge problem is wages have stayed the same over the last ten years, and some have actually gone down. How are people supposed to live without struggling if watches don't go up, but the cost of everything does?

So again you guys aren't looking at it in a realistic light. Sure some people can make there own fortune, and yes it is possible. But that is only a path few can take. Most people don't have the know how, or the business sense to take that path. That's why there are leaders and followers. Leaders can take that path, followers need a hourly job with no risk involved.

So again I stand by my original statement.

[daved150]

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i think if you look at the state of mich. you'll get an ideal of what bad is!!! the rest of the country is actually doing ok