fatigue vs failure

[dirtwarrior]

This may be a weird question but I really don't know the difference. When training how do you know the difference of lifting to fatigue or failure?

[Yohimbe]

Re: fatigue vs failure

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by fatigue. I would think fatigue would mean lifting until your muscles feel tired? On the other hand I do train to failure a lot. Basically means training until you absolutely cannot get another rep. I'll usually take a couple or a few sets during my workouts and go to failure.

[jipped genes]

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Agree with yohimbe. Could not define it better myself.

[dirtwarrior]

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I guess what I mean is the lactic acid increase gets in the way of going to failure

[BigDawg]

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the definition i use for failure is from the old Body For Life cash cow of Bill Phillips. If you're training and stop at that last rep from the burn and lactic acid buildup and someone said i'll give you a hundred bucks if you can bang out three more reps and you can do three more reps then you're not training to failure, you're training til you're tired. i do my sets til i can't do one more rep, even doing several 1/2 reps, then immediately strip plate or drop to lighter db's and bust out 2-3 more reps and drop again til i can't even get 1 rep. at that point the set is done and it's time to move to the next exercise for that muscle. train the muscle to complete muscular failure and then eat,sleep and let the muscle recover til you utterly destroy it the next scheduled session.

[BABY1]

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Good thread, thanks! That will get ya growing

[Torres]

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Like Yohim said , failure is until you can’t force out another Rep , that’s how i try to train legs !!!

[dirtwarrior]

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[QUOTE=BigDawg;1363236]the definition i use for failure is from the old Body For Life cash cow of Bill Phillips. If you're training and stop at that last rep from the burn and lactic acid buildup and someone said i'll give you a hundred bucks if you can bang out three more reps and you can do three more reps then you're not training to failure, you're training til you're tired. i do my sets til i can't do one more rep, even doing several 1/2 reps, then immediately strip plate or drop to lighter db's and bust out 2-3 more reps and drop again til i can't even get 1 rep. at that point the set is done and it's time to move to the next exercise for that muscle. train the muscle to complete muscular failure and then eat,sleep and let the muscle recover til you utterly destroy it the next scheduled session.[/QUOTEs
Thia ia very close to how I train. Drop sets I think it is called. Some times I do the German volume and sometimes combine the 2.

[guns01]

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i would define fatigue as how your body feels when you go in. are you tired and dragging ass and not anywhere near your normal output? i would attest that to fatigue personally. you can also induce fatigue during your training. now failure to me is when you cant do one more rep with perfect form. that's failure and pushing past that point with intensity tricks is possible. drop sets partials etc...... you can go beyond failure all day long but also you have to take into account your body's recoverability from training to failure often. that's when it will transfer over into the fatigue department and cause issues

[BigDawg]

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[QUOTE=dirtwarrior;1363248]

the definition i use for failure is from the old Body For Life cash cow of Bill Phillips. If you're training and stop at that last rep from the burn and lactic acid buildup and someone said i'll give you a hundred bucks if you can bang out three more reps and you can do three more reps then you're not training to failure, you're training til you're tired. i do my sets til i can't do one more rep, even doing several 1/2 reps, then immediately strip plate or drop to lighter db's and bust out 2-3 more reps and drop again til i can't even get 1 rep. at that point the set is done and it's time to move to the next exercise for that muscle. train the muscle to complete muscular failure and then eat,sleep and let the muscle recover til you utterly destroy it the next scheduled session.[/QUOTEs
Thia ia very close to how I train. Drop sets I think it is called. Some times I do the German volume and sometimes combine the 2.

similar here, when i feel the joints getting creaky from heavy to failure and drop sets i'll switch for a few weeks to a month and do high volume with perhaps more reps at a lighter than max weight and when i start to feel overtraining creeping in i'll go back to Dorian sets of a few light warm ups and then one all out to failure followed by some drop sets.