To you +20 weeks "on" guys...

[raybravo]

there are so many things one can do while he is off aas , that we dont realise , so many things to try , gh , slin , SEO's (ofcourse they work !) , diff training programs , supplements which we never thought of trying becos we're on anabolics , and what i suggested was , stop when u dont see any more gains , do a burst phase , and then come off (taper down if u want ) and then at the same time , add some insulin atleast and then use ur hcg , and the other things we use for post cycle recovery .
and post cycle recovery is one time we can experiment with supplements , phosphatidylserine , ipriflavone , clonidine (pretty good , ive liked it so far ) and glipizide , the last 2 if u dont want to use insulin and gh . they work . its about experimenting , if ure gaining 15-20 pounds evrytime and losing 5-10 evry cycle , its a waste , staying on for half a year and a net gain of like 10-15 pounds of muscle ? i wud be very unsatisfied .

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by pierow
Did you tell your doctor what's up? If not, how do you explain coming in for blood work every two months?

she will find out on my next visit. i think she'll be cool with it. she has taken care of many top BB'ers including Craig Titus...

[rado]

Re: To you +20 weeks "on" guys...

Originally posted by MrRTTB
My longest cycle was 12 weeks, never had the guts to do a longer one. How many of you have done a +20 weeks cycle and after that checked every value in your body? how was the resuts? I thought of parmanent damage like CANSER, atrophy, sperm count, impotense, lower natural test, liver and kidneys and so on..is it even possible to do a +20weeks cycle with success wityjhout sides? I mean if one use different things like: Weeks 1-12: bulk with 750mg test, first 6 weeks 20mg dbol(bulk) and maybe 300mg Deca. Then 13-22, 500mg test, 600mg EQ, winyn 25mg last 6 weeks.

never done a 20 weeker, but will soon

[MrRTTB]

Maybe me too...

I thought of a cycle looking like this:
W 4: Slin 2-4-6-8-8iu post workout(days)
W 5-6: Slin 10iu post workout(5 days)
W 1-19: Test enathate 500mg EW
W 1-4: Dbol 40mg ED
W 1-4: arimdex 1mg ED
W 1-10: Deca 300mg EW
W 10-19: EQ 600mg EW
W 11-15: an extra 250mg Test per week(total 750mg)
W 9-12: Dbol 40mg ED
W 9-11: Slin 6-8-10-10-10 post workout(6 day 1, 8 day 2 and so on)
W 15-17: Slin as above
W 17-20: Winny 50mg ED
W 6-20: proviron 25mg ED
W 19 + 20: HCG therapy with Nolvadex
W 22: Clomid therapy + Clen
W 22-24: Slin as above

to this cycle Liv52, milk tistle, r-ALA, finasteride, Saw Palmetto, and creatine + glutamin while on slin.

[AnotherUser]

CJWolf,
If I do recall, you do use relatively large amounts of gear. Don't you think it's kinda hypocritical to say that long cycles aren't worth it unless your competing, when you do shorter, yet probably heavier cycles than most? Not trying to be an ass bro, just pointing it out

[JohnnyB]

I'm on HRT so a 20+ cycle doesn't seem like a problem for me.

JohnnyB

[CJWolf]

well, that's true when you say i USED to do heavy cycles ... but for a while now they've been rather mild ...

my last one was 100 mg/day primo and 100 mg/day anavar ... which wasn't too mild, but it wasn't really overkill either ...

my next one is 100 mg/day test prop and 10-15 mg/day halo

[Juicemonkey101]

Originally posted by CJWolf
see, i'd rather do short acting esters and be on for 8 weeks and hit it hardcore ... do HCG/clomid for 6 weeks post cyccle, and then do another 8 week cycle ...

i think you'd have the same gains, while helping the HPTA recovery ...

I have yet to try that, but, am seriously considering it. I figure I would do something like...

75mg Prop ED 1-8
75mg Fina ED 1-8
D-bol 50mgs ED 1-4
Winny 50mgs ED 4-8

Off for six weeks with HCG/Clomid, and of course, Slin!... Back on agian....

I think the idea sounds great in logic, but has anyone tried it with success? And, is it really any safer then going 16-20 weeks with moderate dossages and HCG all through out the cycle??

[CJWolf]

I've done the 8 week cycles with much success, but then one of them i tried extended into a 9 month cycle because i just didn't want to get off

[Juicemonkey101]

Originally posted by CJWolf
I've done the 8 week cycles with much success, but then one of them i tried extended into a 9 month cycle because i just didn't want to get off

LOL! Trust me, i know how that goes. I'm currently just on 700mg of Cyp with 350mg Prop a week..... What do you think about running this until June, Drop The Cypionate, THEN, continuing running the prop, add some fina for 8 weeks, then go off. Do Clomid/Slin and start up a another 8 weeks and continue on the process of 8on/6off for sometime.....??

[bigjim33]

i am on a 20 weeker now

[Billy_Bathgate]

Originally posted by raybravo
rather see someone blitz cycle , max androgens for 4 weeks and then insulin and gh for 4 weeks along with post cycle therapy , and regular blood tests , ure keepin ur htpa quite healthy and also gaining at a very fast rate , i hardly see any gains after 6 weeks , basically the body tryin to reach homeostasis by increasing catabolic factors , so that ure body is in equilibrium and it isnt gaining anymore .

Thats about the worste way you could cycle.

You will NOT reach homeostasis.

Roller coasting your HTPA is much harder on it than being on for long periods of time.

Half the damage for steroids is the coming on period and coming off period.


STay on for a long time, your body will adapt to your shut down and your levels and you will keep gaining just fine. Longer cycles are for more experienced though as you have to know how to train and diet right. 75% starting out in cycling still dont...

[AnotherUser]

Agreed On a side note with what was said about HCG therapy post cycle, my doc (Dr. John) said that HCG post cycle could actually hinder recovery. It's just better to have your balls at full mass when it's time to come off.

[MrRTTB]

that is why to use it while the gear is still in ya. For example start it 1 week after your Enathate hot/EQ shot or any other long halftime steroid. Then go for 500iu HCG ED for 2 weeks with Nolva. I do not even think one would need clomid after that. I know I wont use it, took first HCG shot today.

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Thats about the worste way you could cycle.

You will NOT reach homeostasis.

Roller coasting your HTPA is much harder on it than being on for long periods of time.

Half the damage for steroids is the coming on period and coming off period.


STay on for a long time, your body will adapt to your shut down and your levels and you will keep gaining just fine. Longer cycles are for more experienced though as you have to know how to train and diet right. 75% starting out in cycling still dont...

Yeh, someone agrees with me.