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Been running 175 test prop/ week for trt until long ester kicks in at 150/ wk. Started having some itching in the nips a few days ago but just thought it was from shaving my chest. Then I Noticed yesterday that my nips were puffy with maybe a small lump behind the left one. I immediately started myself on 25 mgs of Aromasin and 40 mgs of nolvadex but cant find any actual protocol for aromasin/ nolva treatment for gyno. Im on second day of same dose and the itching has already subsided. I don't have any letro. Can anyone give me a solid aromasin/ nolva protocol to run?
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run it at 25 for 2 wks then switch to 12.5 man and you will be all good. what most do because aroma and letro take a minute to build up and kick in is to have dex on hand. you hit the dex for the begining of the aromisin to build up then drop it and run with the aroma. letro and dex are really hard on your lipids so aroma if it works is the best route to go for most pplOriginally posted by gusto77 View PostTGBSupplements REP
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something else i just thought of gusto. you are running a short ester so are you hitting it once a wk? eod? ed? if you arent keeping those t levels relatively stable you will get a bump of estro being higher than the t and this can cause the issues. just a thought that popped into my mindTGBSupplements REP
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Aromsin and nolva or clomid is the way to go if it's not bad. Letro is really hard on the body, will make your joints ache and shut down your estrogen too far.
Maybe when you stop the nolva, keep the aromsin for a while in case of a rebound from the estrogen the nolva was blocking.Animal the manimalComment
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Running the prop at 50 Mgs eod and Cyp at 150 once a week. Gonna stop the prop after 4 weeks.Originally posted by guns01 View PostComment
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yeah you are keeping them stable so that's not it. maybe a little umpf from adding the cyp in would be my guess. the nolva and aroma should do the trickOriginally posted by gusto77 View PostTGBSupplements REP
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If you are getting these kinds of sides on such a low dose what the heck do you do during a bigger cycle?
That is such a miminal amount of test. How many weeks in with the prop? Did you start the cyp at the same time? So combined you are really getting above 300mg a week.
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With the exception of my first cycle I ran Nolva throughout all my others. I've always figured I was gyno prone due to my body type and how severely bloated I got off my first cycle of only 500 wk test. I started the prop and Cyp at the same time and am 2 1/2 weeks in. I was of the understanding that gyno really isn't necessarily dose dependent but more user dependent????? I've read a few guys saying that they're actually prescribed adex twice a week for lower TRT doses of only 100 wk. I finished my last cycle, started pct, but didn't feel like I was rebounding (I'm 36) so I decided to put myself on TRT.... Could it be possible I was just kind of out of whack and unbalanced from that? I probably should have done labs first. Think I'll get that going tomorrow to see where I'm at.Originally posted by GotClen View PostComment
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In more recent studies that I've found done, Raloxifine seems to be the most effective gyno reversal compound available. 10 years ago Letro had started being used in clinical trials but on mice, not men. Its also such a powerful compound but it isn't recommend for that purpose now as we have better and safer options.
Ralox @ 60mgs ED for 10 days then 30mgs ED until gone is the standard protocol. This will not be over in weeks but most likely months, depending on the severity in the advancement of the condition. You may see improvement in 4-6 weeks but that doesn't mean its gone. In a more severe case one could opt for the 60mg but no higher than 80mg ED dosage at maximum for 60 days until gone.
Ralox can be ran on or off cycle. It will take time but it is an effective and side affect free treatment available today. And when compared to surgery, very inexpensive route to choose.Comment
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You might be having a estro rebound from the last cycle. Who knows without blood draws. I will say this if you are 2.5 weeks in on the cyp you could stop the prop. The cyp cycle should be in the blood stream now. That might be all you need to do. I'm not sure about dose dependent either. Water bloat for sure is from high estro in the system. So, managing it is important. When your body levels off on the 150 cyp a week I bet you will be fine. So, estro is a good think. So, use your aromasin very spairingly. EOD 12.5 and just see how it goes. Then go off for a week or two and see if everything is ok. If you dont need the antiE then dont use it.
Best of luck,
GC
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Wow this aromasin is killing my joints.... Can't imagine what letro is like. Plus side is all itching has stopped and puffiness is gone.Comment
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cut the dose in half now and your joints should go back to normal pretty soonOriginally posted by gusto77 View PostTGBSupplements REP
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