strength gains??

[HeHateMe]

A) I have never disrespected anybody...you guys are too touchy.
B) I was asking what the motivation was to go through all the trouble, when similar gains can be had, albeit over a longer period of time, going natural.
C) Dont disrespect me.

I don't know if your post is directed towards me or not, but...

A) I didn't say you were disrespecting anyone intentionally. However, you did insinuate (knowingly or unknowingly) that those that use don't work hard, or as hard as those that don't.

B) Similar gains cannot be had naturally. Results from even the weakest of cycles would be more than one could attain naturally. Steroids/performance enhancement drugs work, period. That's why so many professional athletes use them.

C) I never disrespect anyone. I have respect for anyone that breaks their balls in the gym, whether they use or not.

[IntensityX]

Alright guys the flames and attitudes on this thread ceases right now if you can't have a nice simple discussion then this thread will be locked and I'll be sending out warnings to all parties involved do I make myself clear on this.

Now discuss the topic on hand but no more attitudes understood.

[PL456]

I was just asking a question....I guess that is what happens when on test. LOL...Nobody answered, really though. I never said "on" guys worked more or less...I just was saying that you could work hard "on" and work hard "off"...with the "off" guys working longer to get similar gains to their "on" friends. Oh, well...forget it.

[IntensityX]

I was just asking a question....I guess that is what happens when on test. LOL...Nobody answered, really though. I never said "on" guys worked more or less...I just was saying that you could work hard "on" and work hard "off"...with the "off" guys working longer to get similar gains to their "on" friends. Oh, well...forget it.

That wasn't directed towards one person bro it's just a warning to all who decide to cop an attitude which won't be tolerated so you all can discuss this but rationaly not flaming that is all.

[rado]

Listen, if you want strength gains without the use of AS then always work out with 85% max of weight on everything, take 2-3 minute rest between sets, don't wear any kind of straps(this way you know what you're relly holding, not the strap), take a good multi-V, inject Vit-B12(it's legal) for hunger, drink green tea(about a half gallon a day or more), get you some creatine, glutamine and VitB6.

You need to also get around 9hrs of sleep no less, work out with a 2 on 1 off routine. Work only 1 body part per day, not bi's and tri's together. I always work out this way along with what I said and I have a good amount of strength for my size compared to other's bigger than me. I always concentrate on heavy weights rather than the 10-12 rep routine.

Make sure before you work out, you stretch(warm up) for a good 5-10 minutes, most people don't do this, and trust me, you'll benefit a great deal from it. I hope this helps and don't sweat the small stuff kid, just let it go in one ear and out the other

[FUZO]

Listen, if you want strength gains without the use of AS then always work out with 85% max of weight on everything, take 2-3 minute rest between sets, don't wear any kind of straps(this way you know what you're relly holding, not the strap), take a good multi-V, inject Vit-B12(it's legal) for hunger, drink green tea(about a half gallon a day or more), get you some creatine, glutamine and VitB6.

You need to also get around 9hrs of sleep no less, work out with a 2 on 1 off routine. Work only 1 body part per day, not bi's and tri's together. I always work out this way along with what I said and I have a good amount of strength for my size compared to other's bigger than me. I always concentrate on heavy weights rather than the 10-12 rep routine.

Make sure before you work out, you stretch(warm up) for a good 5-10 minutes, most people don't do this, and trust me, you'll benefit a great deal from it. I hope this helps and don't sweat the small stuff kid, just let it go in one ear and out the other

RADO WILL YOU BE MY PERSONAL TRAINER.WE CAN WORK OUT TOGETHER

[HeHateMe]

I was just asking a question....I guess that is what happens when on test. LOL...Nobody answered, really though. I never said "on" guys worked more or less...I just was saying that you could work hard "on" and work hard "off"...with the "off" guys working longer to get similar gains to their "on" friends. Oh, well...forget it.

Hey bro, no hard feelings...

I thought I did answer your question though. The motivation to use is simple---breaking past plateaus & breaking past genetic limitations. I respectfully disagree with the notion that it's possible to get similar gains naturally. Why do Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield, etc. use? Steroids have little or nothing to do with increasing one's ability to hit a baseball, however add an extra 10-15 ft (with juice) and all of a sudden those warning track shots are homers.

[HeHateMe]

Alright guys the flames and attitudes on this thread ceases right now if you can't have a nice simple discussion then this thread will be locked and I'll be sending out warnings to all parties involved do I make myself clear on this.

Now discuss the topic on hand but no more attitudes understood.

I wasn't 'copping an attitude', just merely replying to a topic.

And we wonder why hardly anyone visits the board anymore...

[rado]

And we wonder why hardly anyone visits the board anymore...

It has nothing to do with that at all. There's other reasons as to why this board has been slow for quite sometime

[IntensityX]

I wasn't 'copping an attitude', just merely replying to a topic.

And we wonder why hardly anyone visits the board anymore...

Did I say you did,where in my post did I say you copped an attitude but it seems you are doing it right now so don't push your luck dude.

That post was geared to all on this thread that if you cop an attitude and start flaming then you'll hear it from me period nuff said.

[FUZO]

I wasn't 'copping an attitude', just merely replying to a topic.

And we wonder why hardly anyone visits the board anymore...

HEHATEME WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT ABOUT FITNESSGEARED THAT NO ONE VISITS THE BOARD ANY MORE.AFTER THE SHIT HAPPEN THE BOARD BUILT BACK UP JUST FINE AND IS STILL BUILDING.SO NOW YOUVE BEEN WARNED TWICE. IX NOW ME THERE WONT BE A 3RD TIME,THIS BOARD IS LIKE A HOME TO ME AND OTHERS SO I WILL TAKE IT PERSONAL IF SOME ONE HAS SOME THING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT FG.YOUR A MEMBER HERE AND WELCOME BUT SHOTS LIKE THAT WILL GET NO WHERE HERE ON FG

[Got Gear?]

This thread isn't going anywhere.

PL465, start a new thread if you want. As for my 2 bits.. steroids will allow you to reach goals that you could never acheive naturally. Wether it's strength, size, or mass it all holds true. True most people start using steroids when they have yet to reach the most that they could naturally. To give you an idea.. on my 1st cycle, the gains I made in 3 months were more than what I had gained in the previous 3 years of training.