strength gains??

[PL456]

Just wondering guys, as one who has never stepped over into this side of things...Im always in a pursuit of strength gains, and I was wondering what you guys' strength gains/ current strength levels are like. I mean, I read here alot about size and stuff and that's great, but for all the stuff youre taking, what's it doing for your strength and endurance in the gym and overall health? I sleep better and feel better and have great appetite when my training is "on"..but I hear about all sorts of sides with gear, like not sleeping, messed up lab tests and sexual dysfunction--but of course there is medicinal aid for that--but its like taking something to counterbalance the other. Further, seems like the loss of size and strength would be hard to deal with when youre not "on"...seems like you'd feel like you never really owned the size and strength when you had it...were just borrowing it for a while. I realize BB and PL are different, but for me, I need to have a lasting functional gain in strength, not just size. just wondering..honest questions..

[mick-G]

I think that if you are worried about sides, the best aas for that would be a hg test, either cypionate or enathate@ 500mg/wk and equipoise vet grade @ also 500-600mg/wk. for a 14wk cycle. I had no sides with this other than hunger and also larger sexual appeitie. I also ran ldex @ .25mg thruout cycle. For pct i ran clomid 300-100-50 for 21 days. If you run proper pct and keep diet in check you should have no loss or not much in size or strength gains. At least i didn't. Also, if you are concerned about sides, don't run any orals, just my opinion.

[FUZO]

IF STRENGTH IS JUST WHAT YOU WANT DO A ANAVAR CYCLE.40-50MG FOR 8 WEEKS.

[SMILEY FACE]

if u are looking for strenght, HALO

[FUZO]

YEAH THAT TOO

[SMILEY FACE]

[HeHateMe]

The amount of sides you'll experience has a lot to do with what gear you choose as well as how much you take. If your cycles include moderate doses, proper ancillary drugs, and you plan PCT properly you can maintain a substantial portion of your gains. You'll lose some no matter what, despite what anyone says to the contrary---If this weren't the case, everybody would be 300lbs and ripped...

If you're looking solely for strength, like mentioned in the above posts, drugs such as:
var
halo
cheque drops (before competition)
fina
etc

[PL456]

I think I may have not stated my question properly...Im not going to do steroids. My question was what do you guys want out of the juice and all that goes into getting and maintaining what you get fron the drugs? Seems like alot of chemistry, worry, money, possible bodily damage and legal trouble when you can get similar results from good old fashioned hard work. To each his own, but I just wonder why do all this?

[magnus]

do u drink soda? b/c thats got caffeine which is a drug. Which has plenty of bad effects. Im assuming that you do not know much about gear so i would just mind your buisness untill your a little more educated on the subject. MOst of us have trained naturally for years and years and use gear to get over plateaus.

[magnus]

oh also, you want to talk about hard work? B/c i bust my ass harder on a cycle then anyone i know.

[HeHateMe]

I think I may have not stated my question properly...Im not going to do steroids. My question was what do you guys want out of the juice and all that goes into getting and maintaining what you get fron the drugs? Seems like alot of chemistry, worry, money, possible bodily damage and legal trouble when you can get similar results from good old fashioned hard work. To each his own, but I just wonder why do all this?

At some point, all of us will reach our genetic limit. Steroids allow you to break past that plateau, go beyond your genetic limitations.

Your insinuation that bodybuilders that use performance enhancement drugs do not work hard is totally ridiculous. Sure some are lazy and want a shortcut/instant gratification, but it's simply not true for the overwhelming majority that use.

However, on the flipside, I do feel no one should even consider touching steroids until they've built a solid foundation with a few years (atleast) of natural training under their belt.

[PL456]

A) I have never disrespected anybody...you guys are too touchy.
B) I was asking what the motivation was to go through all the trouble, when similar gains can be had, albeit over a longer period of time, going natural.
C) Dont disrespect me.

[mick-G]

This is what happens when on test, PL456, lol!

[3Vandoo]

children, please, every at their desks and be quiet!

[FUZO]

PLAY NICE OR WE WILL LET CRANK OUT OF HIS CAGE.