Need to get Harder looking

[FUZO]

Ok I need to get more hard look what's everyone use to really hardin up and what dosage

[6p6]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

The age old question!


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[Yohimbe]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

As long as my diet is lined out, I love to throw in either masteron or anavar when trying to harden up. For my body some reason, those two always yield great results. I'm usually running test E or Cyp and HGH, so when I chisel my diet out and throw in some masteron or anavar, it always shows big time.

That's not me putting a specific cycle together per say lol, but just throwing something in to steer my body in a different direction.

[PUMPED]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

during last few weeks of contest time one thing that worked best for me was halotestin.

[pgc640]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

Ok I need to get more hard look what's everyone use to really hardin up and what dosage

You need your BF very low. This is what Id suggest for that. Of course a petfect eating plan and the amount of cardio you need for your body.

Test(prop, but any type really) 600 mgs week
Tren ace 50-75mgs EOD
Winstrol tabs 40 mgs a day
T3 start at 12.5 mcgs for a week. See what it does. Everyone is too different to give an amount of this without knowing who is using it. Never exceed 100 mcgs. No one should need more than 50.
Clen start at 40mcgs raise by 20each day(as long as you are handling it ok, without a lot of sides) upto 100-120 mcgs. Two weeks on the clen.
E/C/A stack. 25 mgs ephedrine, 200mgs caffeine, 325 mgs asprin 3X a day for two weeks that you are off clen.
After two weeks back to clen starting at the dose you left off at(100-120mgs).
Go back and forth every 2 weeks.
Arimidex- this depends on your body too. Leys say. .5 EOD

Once you are around 8 % BF or lower change

Add:
Masteron prop- 100 mg eod
Reduce test to 300 mgs
Drop winstrol pills replace with 20mgs Halotestin a day
Tren 75-100 mgs EOD
T3 same
Clen same
Arimidex 1mg a day
You can do this for about 4 weeks. If yourBF is under 10 to start youll look sick after the 4weeks. As long as you are eating correctly.

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[jipped genes]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

I love masteron. But really for me it is getting rid of water. I can cut out salt and take 10 mg of nolva or some other anti E ed with some herbal diuretic and look way more cut. (I take nolva because i have it)

[guns01]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

You need your BF very low. This is what Id suggest for that. Of course a petfect eating plan and the amount of cardio you need for your body.

Test(prop, but any type really) 600 mgs week
Tren ace 50-75mgs EOD
Winstrol tabs 40 mgs a day
T3 start at 12.5 mcgs for a week. See what it does. Everyone is too different to give an amount of this without knowing who is using it. Never exceed 100 mcgs. No one should need more than 50.
Clen start at 40mcgs raise by 20each day(as long as you are handling it ok, without a lot of sides) upto 100-120 mcgs. Two weeks on the clen.
E/C/A stack. 25 mgs ephedrine, 200mgs caffeine, 325 mgs asprin 3X a day for two weeks that you are off clen.
After two weeks back to clen starting at the dose you left off at(100-120mgs).
Go back and forth every 2 weeks.
Arimidex- this depends on your body too. Leys say. .5 EOD

Once you are around 8 % BF or lower change

Add:
Masteron prop- 100 mg eod
Reduce test to 300 mgs
Drop winstrol pills replace with 20mgs Halotestin a day
Tren 75-100 mgs EOD
T3 same
Clen same
Arimidex 1mg a day
You can do this for about 4 weeks. If yourBF is under 10 to start youll look sick after the 4weeks. As long as you are eating correctly.

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it is a waste of time going back and forth between clen and ephedrine, they are both beta 2 agonists(sp) and it will not allow the receptors to clear out naturally. so if you are going to go that route then one would need to use ketophene(sp).

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

ANAVAR SHEDS WATER ON ME LIKE NOTHING OTHER...THAT WOULD DO IT!

[BigDawg]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

i'm gonna be running Amped cut stack, halo, clen and sustanon along with T3 and gh for my jamaica prep

[pgc640]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

it is a waste of time going back and forth between clen and ephedrine, they are both beta 2 agonists(sp) and it will not allow the receptors to clear out naturally. so if you are going to go that route then one would need to use ketophene(sp).

Its not a waste of time. Ephedrine is so much weaker it still gives you a break from the clen. But I don't care really, do what you like.
I used that same combo fir akmost every contest I did
I didnt do little local contests. It also, originally, was not my idea. Your, basically, telling one of the best bodybuolding trainers, in tbe world, in the 1990's he is wrong. Maybe he is, ask Ronnie Coleman.


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[guns01]

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Its not a waste of time. Ephedrine is so much weaker it still gives you a break from the clen. But I don't care really, do what you like.
I used that same combo fir akmost every contest I did
I didnt do little local contests. It also, originally, was not my idea. Your, basically, telling one of the best bodybuolding trainers, in tbe world, in the 1990's he is wrong. Maybe he is, ask Ronnie Coleman.


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i dont need an attitude and here how freaking great you are. i am simply pointing out the scientific fact that they are both beta 2 recpetor agonists. which means they both stimulate the exact same mechanisms. so just because one is weaker than the other doesnt matter. the entire point of taking time off from clen is to allow the receptors to clear ie... to make it work better and continue to work.

we all can disagree. but giving an attitude and name dropping doesnt do jack to advance your opinion. a more measured approach would be to put up some research to show that i am wrong and your point is better. then again their are more than one way to skin a cat but being a dick about it, isnt really going to advance your opinion. i can name drop all day long and boast about my placements and such but what's the point. still doesnt give much science and application to my opinion

also if you ate talking about the world famous trainer whom i think you are talking about, i am pretty sure he has killed and ended the careers of a few here and there. he has also taken quite a bit of flak the last couple of years because of his practices as well. shawn ray comes to mind for publicly calling this individual out not to long ago

and one final point to show that i am not a disrespectful dick. a more effective solution to allow the beta 2 receptors to clear out would be yohimbine or alpha yohimbine. which acts in a similar manner that clen and ephed do except for the fact that it is a alpha 2 adrenergic receptor antagonist

[DethKlok]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

careful with yoh hcl. I little bit too much on that tiny little spoon and I am strung.

[Dzone]

Re: Need to get Harder looking

careful with yoh hcl. I little bit too much on that tiny little spoon and I am strung.

Yohimbe messes me up bad. I must be allergic to it. I get cold chills and feel like crap. Shaking like a leaf. Its brutal.

[guns01]

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careful with yoh hcl. I little bit too much on that tiny little spoon and I am strung.

the alpha version is far superior to hcl and you have to start way low. less than a mg is best for starters.

[DethKlok]

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the alpha version is far superior to hcl and you have to start way low. less than a mg is best for starters.

never heard of the alpha, and its stronger than hcl? that's a bold statement cz if I take hcl I go by the mg. Just a lil too much hcl I get the same sides D gets and it's rough. When I hit the sweet spot tho there is no stopping me.