My diet from Goliath jr

[BigSoda]

meal 1-12 egg whites 2 slices of turkey bacon
meal 2-shake w/45grams pro. 10 grams flax oil
meal 3- 10 oz chicken breast with broccoli
meal 4-same as 2
meal 5-pre workout-an apple
workout
meal 6-shake w/50 grams pro and 75 grams of dextrose
meal 7-10 oz chicken breast and 50 grams carbs from brown rice or oat bran.


I have been on for almost 3 weeks and went from a 38 waist to 36 and now they are sagging,training is the same,I'm sure the cycle is also helping.I haven't hoopped on the scale yet but will do so on week 6-7.I also started eating orange roughy instead of damn chicken on some days.All and all its workin well,also about every 10 days I'll eat a double with cheese from wendys so its not that bad : well thats it :


THANKS TO GOLIATH JR for the help,the ladies will also thank u :

[goliath.jr]

Glad to hear you're doing so well bro!

[BigSoda]

When I'm done I'm gonna buy a live chicken just to kick the fuker all over the place j/k

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by BigSoda
When I'm done I'm gonna buy a live chicken just to kick the fuker all over the place j/k

LMAO! I know the feeling bro...

[Keiser]

Originally posted by BigSoda
When I'm done I'm gonna buy a live chicken just to kick the fuker all over the place j/k

don't do that bro, he will probably eat it alive.

[Speedracer59]

Originally posted by BigSoda
When I'm done I'm gonna buy a live chicken just to kick the fuker all over the place j/k

Same here except I beating the chicken down with a tuna.

[trip]

Bigsoda,

Good plan, and excellent use of clean real food, IMHO, body always responds if more real food is used verses shakes. Shakes do have their place and are important, just real food should dominate.

Question: How's the "pump" with the low carbs?

Thanks
Trip

[YellowJacket]

Re: My diet from Goliath jr

Originally posted by BigSoda
meal 1-12 egg whites 2 slices of turkey bacon

Eggs whites are a decent source of protein, but 12 egg whites? Not only is that not practical, but theres much better out there. I noticed your complete macronutrient ratio wasnt listed, can someone fill me in on what that is? Wheres your complex carbs? Breakfast in bodybuilding is still the most important meal of the day. Drop some of those damn egg whites and include some oatmeal, or bran flakes, something to get the day started

meal 4-same as 2

I agree protein shakes serve their place, but this could be replaced with a can or 2 of tuna, table spoon of flax on some wheat bread with a glass of milk, or something of that nature.

meal 5-pre workout-an apple

Fructose wont get the job done before your workout. You need 1 gram of carbohydrates (dextrose, malto, complex) for every .5lb of bodyweight. I usually have a large glass of orange juice with a scoop of whey (vitamin c is suppressive of cortisol), whey for fast acting, GH (thus IGF-1 release) and either a homemade protein bar or dry oats. This is an important 'meal' because your workout depends on it.

meal 6-shake w/50 grams pro and 75 grams of dextrose

I would split this up in a 50/50 malto/dextrose ratio.

Make sure you have some cottage cheese or large glass(s) of milk before bed to feed your muscle tissue with protein through the night. Congrats. on the loss of weight, and let it continue

[Keiser]

YJ

how about a bowl of oatmeal with whey mixed in as a pre-workout meal/snack? Would that be good?

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by LadiesMan
YJ

how about a bowl of oatmeal with whey mixed in as a pre-workout meal/snack? Would that be good?

Actually doesnt sound too bad...you have to be careful the amount of oats and make sure they're natural oats, but a small bowl would be ideal...

[goliath.jr]

YJ - look bro. This diet is about timed nutrient intake. I have found that consuming carbs throughout the day hinders progress. Unless you work construction or something of that nature, what is the point of eating a bunch of carbs first thing in the AM? Don't give me that bullshit about glycogen stores either, because they would still be full from the post workout meals thenight before. Sleeping does not deplete much glycogen.

Look - I'm not even going to get into a big debate over this because quite frankly, the shit that you said in your post is nothing mor than the same type of diet advice your read on about.com or some cheesy mainstram crap like that.

The diet is obviously working great for him - why the hell would you suggest he go changing a bunch of things?

[goliath.jr]

Re: Re: My diet from Goliath jr

Originally posted by YellowJacket
[B]
Fructose wont get the job done before your workout. You need 1 gram of carbohydrates (dextrose, malto, complex) for every .5lb of bodyweight. I usually have a large glass of orange juice with a scoop of whey (vitamin c is suppressive of cortisol), whey for fast acting, GH (thus IGF-1 release) and either a homemade protein bar or dry oats. This is an important 'meal' because your workout depends on it.
[b] ]

This demonstrates the depth of your knowledge bro. You say " Fructose wont get the job done before your workout." . Then in the same paragraph state that you have a large glass of OJ before your workout. What the hell do you think is in OJ? Dextrose? IT IS FRUCTOSE. Man you just rub me wrong bro. ..sorry if I seem to be flaming you, but your post just pissed me off.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by goliath.jr
YJ - look bro. This diet is about timed nutrient intake. I have found that consuming carbs throughout the day hinders progress. Unless you work construction or something of that nature, what is the point of eating a bunch of carbs first thing in the AM? Don't give me that bullshit about glycogen stores either, because they would still be full from the post workout meals thenight before. Sleeping does not deplete much glycogen.

Whoa killer, Im not trying to play who's got bigger balls here (Im on clomid, so I win.....no really, mine are bigger). So before you get your panties in a bunch, Taking carbs through the day hinders progress? Haha, thats new to me, would like to see multiple references on this one please. The point in eating carbs (not necessarily a bunch) is building up your energy stores for the day, carbohydrates do more than fill the muscle bellies with glycogen brother, might want to research the importance of carbohydrates sometime.

Look - I'm not even going to get into a big debate over this because quite frankly, the shit that you said in your post is nothing mor than the same type of diet advice your read on about.com or some cheesy mainstram crap like that.

Oh, I do this for a living brother, as a human nutritionist, I would have to say my 'shit I said' is proven and much more on track than your lackluster performance, so no, I will not debate nothing either, as your's isnt even adequate enough to debate. Too many holes in it my friend.

The diet is obviously working great for him - why the hell would you suggest he go changing a bunch of things?

Ok, now Im actually getting a bit pissed off... Not sure who the fuck you think you are brother, but I simple critiqued it, added to it, etc. pay more attention next time and I wouldnt have to explain such simplistic shit. You're getting all hot and bothered because you think I just destroyed your beloved piece of work, when it actually wasnt that bad, given a few of your other posts where you said alcohol was a good source of energy (LoL), this seems to be a step up for you, so before you try to get in a pissing match with me, maybe you should review the critique and learn from it instead of thinking your's was perfect. Only here to help, not to step on any toes.

This demonstrates the depth of your knowledge bro. You say " Fructose wont get the job done before your workout." . Then in the same paragraph state that you have a large glass of OJ before your workout. What the hell do you think is in OJ? Dextrose? IT IS FRUCTOSE. Man you just rub me wrong bro. ..sorry if I seem to be flaming you, but your post just pissed me off.

My intelligence isnt on trial here, like I said before, I have a degree in human nutrition, and create and walk people of all ages through diet plans, nutritional outlooks, etc. So please, get off my nuts about my 'depth of knowledge' because once again, it certainly exceeds your's.
Not sure what in tyhe paragraoh gave you the most trouble, but let me say it again REAL slow this time..... vitamin C is in orange juice. Vitamin C has been proven suppressive to cortisol. Cortisol is the stress hormone thats released and its catabolic to muscle tissue. This is a bad thing. It can be suppressed with vitamin C, vitamin C is in orange juice. An apple? Wtf? where did you get your degree from? or info. from? The oats or homemade protein bar will be the primary fuel source for the complex, dynamic movements, as frustose is mainly for liver glucose restoration.

I dont know what about my post pissed you off, but I think its because I didnt agree 100% with you, and you cant handle someone not agreeing with you, as resembled in a few other posts I havent agreed with you. So next time, to avoid me flaming you to hell, have some references to back your shit up, or dont cry like a baby when someone doesnt agree with you.

[goliath.jr]

I'm going to let myself calm down a bit before I reply to your "degreed" ramblings.

[YellowJacket]

Dont mistake 'ramblings' for the truth.