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    I don't follow politics too much , but what do you guys think of this? I think as a president he should be more concerned with Americans in this country then immigrants .


    Obama unveils U.S. immigration reform, setting up fight with Republicans
    BY STEVE HOLLAND AND ROBERTA RAMPTON
    WASHINGTON Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:35am EST
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    (Reuters) - President Barack Obama imposed the most sweeping immigration reform in a generation on Thursday, easing the threat of deportation for some 4.7 million undocumented immigrants and setting up a clash with Republicans who vow to fight his moves.

    In a White House speech, Obama rejected Republican arguments that his decision to bypass Congress and take executive action was tantamount to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

    It was his biggest use of executive actions in a year in which they have become his signature way of working around congressional gridlock.

    "Amnesty is the immigration system we have today, millions of people who live here without paying their taxes or playing by the rules," he said.

    Republicans pounced quickly, charging Obama had overstepped his constitutional powers a year after declaring he did not have the authority to act on his own.

    In a video released before Obama's televised speech, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner said: The president has said before that ‘he’s not king’ and he’s ‘not an emperor,’ but he sure is acting like one."

    With 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, Obama's plan would let some 4.4 million who are parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents remain in the country temporarily, without the threat of deportation.

    Those undocumented residents could apply legally for jobs and join American society, but not vote or qualify for insurance under the president's healthcare law. The measure would apply to those who have been in the United States for at last five years.

    An additional 270,000 people would be eligible for relief under the expansion of a 2012 move by Obama to stop deporting people brought illegally to the United States as children by their parents.

    MIXED REACTIONS

    The president, speaking two weeks after he and his Democrats were trounced in midterm elections, appeared confident and determined at the White House podium. Outside, pro-migrant demonstrators watched his speech on their smartphones and chanted support for him.

    "Si se puede (Yes we can)," they shouted and sang the American national anthem.

    Obama urged Republicans not to take steps against his plan that could lead to a government shutdown, raising the specter of a crisis that some conservatives would like to push but Republican leaders of Congress want to avoid.

    Republicans were blamed for a shutdown over spending a year ago and are seeking ways to deny funding for his immigration steps without provoking a year-end budget crisis.

    "Congress certainly shouldn't shut down our government again just because we disagree on this," Obama said.

    Obama's moves have ramifications for the campaign to succeed him in 2016 by possibly solidifying Hispanic support behind Democrats. Republican candidates may tread carefully around the issue to avoid a Latino backlash. But polls show many Americans would prefer Obama not act alone.

    Obama said trying to deport all 11 million people living in the country illegally was not realistic. His voice took on an empathetic tone as he described the struggle of illegal immigrants to avoid getting deported.

    "I've seen the heartbreak and anxiety of children whose mothers might be taken away from them just because they didn't have the right papers," he said.

    But Michael McCaul, Republican chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, warned: "We will see a wave of illegal immigration because of the president’s actions, and in no way is the Department of Homeland Security prepared to handle such a surge."

    He pledged to "use every tool at my disposal to stop the president’s unconstitutional actions from being implemented.”

    Lindolfo Carballo of Arlington, Virginia, who was among the demonstrators outside the White House, said: “It is personal for him (Obama), I think."

    Nearby, a smaller group protested Obama’s action.

    “This is illegal, what he’s doing,” said Manny Vega, a retired U.S. Marines sergeant from Fredericksburg, Virginia.

    'PASS A BILL'

    Obama said his actions were the kinds of steps taken by Republican and Democratic presidents for the past half century.

    "And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill," he said.

    Administration officials described Obama's actions as the biggest shift in immigration policy since 1986 changes enacted during President Ronald Reagan's administration.

    Some legal analysts said Congress could struggle to win a lawsuit to overturn the action since presidents have historically had broad authority to act on immigration.

    "When an issue is mostly political, the judicial branch generally is not going to want to step in the middle of a dispute between the executive branch and the legislature," said Ted Ruthizer, an immigration attorney at Kramer Levin.

    (Writing by Steve Holland; Additional reporting by Dayan Candappa, Susan Cornwell, Richard Cowan, Amanda Becker in Washington and Mica Rosenberg in New York; Editing by Tom Brown, Howard Goller and Peter Cooney)

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    here is the way i look at it: we do something illegal and get caught then we are punished. pretty cut and dry to me: you either do time get probation fines or whatever for whatever you have done. if you enter this country illegally then you should be sent back where you came from no questions asked. then apply for your entry legally. i dont care if your kids are here or what other bs excuse they can come up with it is against the law their for it should be enforced. just like aas, we all dont agree that it should be against the law but it is and you will be punished if you get caught. i see no difference in any law that is broken and you shouldnt choose which ones you agree to enforce. is the system broke? yeah it is and it sucks but it is what we have and if you dont agree with it then use your power of the vote to get it fixed. now toss in the fact that unemployment and gov handouts and the other benes that some of these illegal people get. that just adds even more to the need to enforce what we have on the books. politics and political agendas shouldnt be involved in the enforcement of laws
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      Obama has secured the mexican vote for sure for dems. In reality he is trying to make the republicans mad enough to do a shut down and make themselves look bad. That being said I have a lot of conversation on facebook about this issue and can not believe the response I have gotten. This will not help our economy but in fact hurt it. Put a burden on the social system which is already ailing. It will hurt the job market for sure when so many can not feed there families as it is.
      This is a trick by Obama I am hoping this can be overturned by the house and senate together or supreme court.

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      • #4
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        Most on facebook think this is the best for USA.

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by dirtwarrior View Post
          Obama has secured the mexican vote for sure for dems. In reality he is trying to make the republicans mad enough to do a shut down and make themselves look bad. That being said I have a lot of conversation on facebook about this issue and can not believe the response I have gotten. This will not help our economy but in fact hurt it. Put a burden on the social system which is already ailing. It will hurt the job market for sure when so many can not feed there families as it is.
          This is a trick by Obama I am hoping this can be overturned by the house and senate together or supreme court.
          I commented in your facebook post since i'm in your friend group . My guess is Obama feels this county is built on immigrants . At least that's what I was told as a kid and maybe why he wants this bill passed to give them equal opportunity like Americans .

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          • #6
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            I wonder why he will not let the new members of congress that are coming in Jan to take a crack at a immigration bill? He should give them 3 to 5 months and if they dont get off their asses then he should act.

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            • #7
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              Obama had control of the senate and house in 09 but did not pass a bill. Why? He would not get reelected if he did.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by roidboy175 View Post
                I commented in your facebook post since i'm in your friend group . My guess is Obama feels this county is built on immigrants . At least that's what I was told as a kid and maybe why he wants this bill passed to give them equal opportunity like Americans .
                whats you name on facebook

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                • #9
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                  My new status on facebook
                  I have changed my mind on the Immigration Reform. I was against it at first but now see the wisdom of it. We have plenty of jobs here so lets give them to the illegal immigrants here. We have plenty of money left over in our social system like medicaid and food stamps so lets invite more people to take advantage of it.
                  Obamacare is doing well so lets give free health care to 5 million more people.
                  I am switching to a liberal democrat so this crap does not bother me.

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                  • #10
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                    Man I'm so fired up about this subject I don't even want to start. This f u c k stick is single hardly ruining our country.


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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by dirtwarrior View Post
                      Most on facebook think this is the best for USA.
                      FB tards


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                      • #12
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                        I hate it and hope it will get overturned

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by roidboy175 View Post
                          he wants this bill passed to give them equal opportunity like Americans .
                          A good leader would fix the present problems rather than add to the problems. Wouldn't you think so?

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                          • #14
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                            He is a Indonesian muslim, of course he would pass that bill.
                            Animal the manimal

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by dirtwarrior View Post
                              A good leader would fix the present problems rather than add to the problems. Wouldn't you think so?
                              oh yeah , you would definietely think so , but obviously he's got othere things in mind . He was supposed to raise minimum wage to $10.10 an hour and that hasn't happeded either . Many feel that would hurt more then do any good because it may cause inflation and loss of jobs .

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