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Originally Posted by O2BESOHUGE

ARE YOU BLOWING UP THE GYM WHILE ON TOO?

O2,

I don't get it?

-kdog

Tweet??? LET ME RE-PHRASE IT...ARE YOU WORKING OUT LIKE A MAD MAN WHILE ON?

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Originally Posted by kdogg

This is what I ate today (amounts added). While on cycle I tend to eat larger servings of the food listed below with similar, if not identical, frequency

Meal 1 - 6:00 AM
1 cup oatmeal (I made a mistake above and put 1/2 cup)
N-Large or Micell Edge (1.5 servings, 50g protein)

Meal 2 - 9:00 AM
Chicken breast or steak (> 8 oz. of filet, sirloin, or round)
brown rice and chili beans (~ 1 cup)
brocolli (~ 2 cups)

Meal 3 - 11:45 AM
Fish, chicken, or steak ( > 8 oz.)
vegetables
some sort of carb
(This is my lunch which is eaten at a restaurant. I try to make good choices)

Meal 4 - 2:30 PM
50g Casein protein shake
brown rice and chili beans (1 cup)
apple
(I also take 5g BCAA at this time for pre-work out)

Meal 5 - 6:00 PM (PWO)
50g whey
100g dextrose
10g creatine, 10g glutamine, 5g BCAA

Meal 6 - 7:45 PM
Steak, fish, chicken breast ( > 8 oz.)
Brown rice and chili beans (1 cup), large sweet potato, (1 cup) chick peas, or whole wheat pita bread (1-2 pitas) with hummus
Brocolli or green beans (2 cups)
(This meal varies. I get bored easily)

Meal 7 - 10:00 PM
50g casein protein
1 tbsp flax oil or 2 tbsp natural peanut butter


BTW, how do I edit my posts? I did not see an edit button.

-kdog

Now take this and plug it into Fitday.com and jouranl what you eat. Yes it is a *****. But you have to do this if you are having trouble. Track what you eat for a solid week and assess what happens. If you are zig zaggin in calories then you need to find a way to stop that and eat consistantly. If you are losing weight you need to add 400-600 cals a day. Then after a week or two asess that then continually bump up the cals till you hit the "sweet spot".

TweetSOME FOLKS ARE JUST EXTREMELY HARD GAINERS. YOU MAY HAVE TO EAT MORE, WORK OUT HARDER, ETC. YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT COMBO OF THINGS WORKS FOR YOU. IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS CYCLE OR THE NEXT...BUT YOU WILL FIND IT

O2

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Originally Posted by O2BESOHUGE

SOME FOLKS ARE JUST EXTREMELY HARD GAINERS. YOU MAY HAVE TO EAT MORE, WORK OUT HARDER, ETC. YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT COMBO OF THINGS WORKS FOR YOU. IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS CYCLE OR THE NEXT...BUT YOU WILL FIND IT

O2

I think I am a relatively hard gainer when natural. However, on gear I have no problem making gains. Keeping them is the trick.

I bet the majority of it is diet related and a small portion of it is workout related. I will try some things to see what works for me. Mainly I think I need to step up to the plate and eat.


What is your guys opinion on using IGF or HGH for PCT in addition to Pheedno's protocol?

-kdog

TweetKinda OT:

I took you guy's advice and stepped up to the plate and started eating more. I have started to include a couple "junk food" meals here and there. Fried chicken is the best thing ever.

I am up 5 lbs. in the past few weeks.

I took a macro approach as opposed to a micro approach. I was eating 1 cup of oats at breakfast. Now, I am eating 1.5 cups of oats. This is one example of what I am doing.

I am using both the scale and the mirror as my guide. If I feel like I am putting on too much fat I will scale back and re-revaluate my diet.

Thank you for your advice. It is something that should have been obvious. However, it took the advice of others to realize it.

-kdog

TweetI am up six pounds in three weeks.

I am sure most of it is water (from creatine), some is fat, and a little bit is muscle.

The mirror is not indicating that I am getting fatter. I guess I will keep it up until I don't like what I see.

-kdog

TweetGlad you are making progress. Have you thought about trying a weight gainer?

TweetI have gone through this whole thing myself and your body type sounds very similar to mine thats why I made the suggestions of a FEW junky meals. A little bit more here and there makes alot of difference.

I'm glad it seems to be working for you.

TweetI guess I could try a weight gainer. While I am on I use N-large w/1 cup of oatmeal for breakfast.

Now I am using Micell Edge w/1.5 cups of raw oatmeal for breakfast. When I have time I also eat one cup of plain yogurt w/splenda and rasberries.

Man, those junk food meals are hitting the spot. I have been eating pretty clean for a good couple of years now. It started to get REAL old. Fried chicken and burgers were missed dearly.

I really appreciate all of the help you guys have given me.

-kdog

TweetUpdate

I tipped the scales at 200 lbs today. I know that I have gained approximately 10 lbs in about 4-5 weeks.

I am pretty sure most of it is water, some fat, and a little muscle.

I have started eating about 1/2 to 1 cup of steel cut oats every day.

It doesn't look like my BF has increased.

-kdog

TweetStill making progress. I am weighing in at 202 lbs as of yesterday at the gym.

Keeping up a similar diet as before only doubling the oatmeat/steel cut oats intake and added Cellmass from BSN.

Strength is solid and it does not appear as if I have gained much, if any, BF. Keep in mind that is what the mirror is telling me. It is not quantitative data.

Cliff notes - I have gained 12 lbs in 10 weeks, strength is increasing, and little to no BF gain.

TweetI know people get tired of hearing it, but you may be overtraining...aas lets you get away with a more volumous training regimine, but without it, you cant recover....especially hardgainers. for lots of hardgainers, 4 sets per body part is all they can take and recover right.
more than likely you need to add some calories too