Another Boring GSP fight

[FUZO]

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I think Jake was more aggressive than GSPs past few opponents. I thought Jake did pretty descent considering it was a standup fight

Correct JAKE took it to Gsp

[O2BESOHUGE]

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I EXPECTED JAKE TO BRING MORE THAN HE DID...TO ME, HE DIDNT LOOK LIKE A #2 CONTENDER. HE WAS STIFF, HIS KICKS LOOKED LIKE AN AMATEUR, AND WHY NOT TAKE GSP TO THE GROUND WHERE YOU ARE AT YOUR BEST? HE LOOKED LIKE HE DIDNT HAVE A GAME PLAN

[tn94z]

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I EXPECTED JAKE TO BRING MORE THAN HE DID...TO ME, HE DIDNT LOOK LIKE A #2 CONTENDER. HE WAS STIFF, HIS KICKS LOOKED LIKE AN AMATEUR, AND WHY NOT TAKE GSP TO THE GROUND WHERE YOU ARE AT YOUR BEST? HE LOOKED LIKE HE DIDNT HAVE A GAME PLAN

Really? Jake has no standup. So for him to have messed GSPs face up that bad was a HUGE win for him. He tried to take GSP down. GSP is not the easiest guy in MMA to get on the ground. Man, you make it sound so easy. Are you being serious?

[Strella]

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Really? Jake has no standup. So for him to have messed GSPs face up that bad was a HUGE win for him. He tried to take GSP down. GSP is not the easiest guy in MMA to get on the ground. Man, you make it sound so easy. Are you being serious?

Tnz, are u sure FUZO hasnt hacked into your account and is posting under your name? lol. I would really like to see Shields fight Kos to get a better idea of how good he is. I actually read/saw something that said Shields (trainers said) has good standup, he just hasnt needed to use it. Anyway, if you are in consideration to be the best in a weight class it should never be a complete surprise when you do something good that is out of your normal repertoire, ie if Machida took someone down and submitted them it may be odd but it shouldnt be used as an excuse if he lost on the mat. You can say Shields pressed or whatever I guess, but GSP was visibly hurt midway through the 3rd and Shields did nothing to capitalize on it. After rd 3 GSP was freaking out telling his trainers he couldnt see anything out of his left eye, he wouldnt just make that up to his trainers for no reason. If the roles were reversed I think GSP would have killed Jake, as the fight was starting to really turn in GSPs favor at that point. Once he was injured all he was trying to do was get the points and get a W and leave. I give him props for fighting through it personally; try and go spar someone wearing an eye patch and tell me how it works out for u, or more realistically, smear a glob of vaseline in one eye and spar, thats what it would be like. My point I guess is I think Kos would have turned up the heat and done a lot more damage if he were in the same situation as Jake. Jake had a title shot and a chance to prove he really is that good and he had GSP hurt with over 2 rounds and could barely do anything and couldnt even come close to getting him to the ground. IMO he blew a great opportunity to get a W. Honestly, I just dont think Shields is athletic enough to get a win against GSP and Kos would be a very tough fight for him too.

[tn94z]

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Tnz, are u sure FUZO hasnt hacked into your account and is posting under your name? lol. I would really like to see Shields fight Kos to get a better idea of how good he is. I actually read/saw something that said Shields (trainers said) has good standup, he just hasnt needed to use it. Anyway, if you are in consideration to be the best in a weight class it should never be a complete surprise when you do something good that is out of your normal repertoire, ie if Machida took someone down and submitted them it may be odd but it shouldnt be used as an excuse if he lost on the mat. You can say Shields pressed or whatever I guess, but GSP was visibly hurt midway through the 3rd and Shields did nothing to capitalize on it. After rd 3 GSP was freaking out telling his trainers he couldnt see anything out of his left eye, he wouldnt just make that up to his trainers for no reason. If the roles were reversed I think GSP would have killed Jake, as the fight was starting to really turn in GSPs favor at that point. Once he was injured all he was trying to do was get the points and get a W and leave. I give him props for fighting through it personally; try and go spar someone wearing an eye patch and tell me how it works out for u, or more realistically, smear a glob of vaseline in one eye and spar, thats what it would be like. My point I guess is I think Kos would have turned up the heat and done a lot more damage if he were in the same situation as Jake. Jake had a title shot and a chance to prove he really is that good and he had GSP hurt with over 2 rounds and could barely do anything and couldnt even come close to getting him to the ground. IMO he blew a great opportunity to get a W. Honestly, I just dont think Shields is athletic enough to get a win against GSP and Kos would be a very tough fight for him too.

I hear you....LOL. I am speaking comparatively with good strikers. Jake's standup is not what I consider "good." I mean just look at how stiff he is. He has no head movement. His footwork is slow. He stands right in front of his opponent. He just has too many holes to be considered good. Look at the looping overhand right that GSP repeatedly caught him with. It's the same shot that Henderson caught him with.

Shields would be a tough fight for Kos. Kos' standup isn't that good either (I know I will get flamed for that one too), so he would match up well with Shields.

Shields pressing was said because GSP is usually the one backing up his opponents. Shields actually had GSP backing up. Now it quite possibly could have been because of the eye because you could tell in the corner that shook GSP and I don't think he ever recovered mentally from it. It's like he was scared the eye was going to take his belt away. Props to him for continuing and for being smart about the rest of the fight. Yeah, I agree that Shields should have jumped on him after that.

I wouldn't say Jake blew it because you can't say that if he would have turned it up, he would have won. You have to remember too that Jake got ROCKED multiple times by the right and by a HUGE leg kick to the face. I guarantee you that rattled him a bit. Regardless of the eye or the lack of Shields try to capitalize, he brought the fight to GSP more than anyone GSP has fought lately. It was obvious that GSP wanted no part of the ground game and everyone knew Shields was way behind in the standup department. Most people had this as an easy win where GSP would just walk through Shields and it wasn't that way. Shields is a better fighter than most give him credit for.

[tn94z]

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Look at how many times GSP has had his opponent in a position where he should be able to put them away and didn't. No one brings up these moments though. And also remember when Dana was threatening to fire Anderson because he wasn't engaging guys when they went to the ground? Fire him over his performances and only wanting to fight where he was comfortable? GSP does the same thing but you don't hear anything from Dana about that. He is the golden ticket for the UFC right now. He can do no wrong....


And I like GSP. I just call them how I see them

[BigDawg]

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my take on this fight? gsp although in my opinion is the better fighter all around has a huge issue with losing. all great fighters, especially champions should. BUT, he has been fighting his last several fights not to win but more along the lines of not to lose. he is so afraid to lose its scary. he should be unafraid to attack and finish. that was chuck's major selling point to his fans. even if he got caught and knocked out he was in the fight to ****ing finish people not outpoint and let the judges decide. gsp let shields get into his head badly because he knows of the fights he has had shields had the best skill set and chance to finish him and he couldn't let that happen. not that he should have gone to the ground with him from the opening bell but to be outfought standing by someone who has a subpar standup game like shields is unforgiving. so he may have got tapped out or ko'd. he'd get an almost immediate rematch with his rep. he needs to stop fighting safe and start fighting all out or his fights won't get the pay per view numbers and dana will have to step in and say something at that point.

[Strella]

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Look at how many times GSP has had his opponent in a position where he should be able to put them away and didn't. No one brings up these moments though. And also remember when Dana was threatening to fire Anderson because he wasn't engaging guys when they went to the ground? Fire him over his performances and only wanting to fight where he was comfortable? GSP does the same thing but you don't hear anything from Dana about that. He is the golden ticket for the UFC right now. He can do no wrong....


And I like GSP. I just call them how I see them

I think those are 2 completely different situations, GSP has been trying to finish guys and has been the aggressor in all but maybe the last one, he just wasnt able to put some of those guys away. He did however beat a lot of those guys down. He beat the piss out of Fitch for 5 straight rounds never letting up and he did the same with Hardy and got in him in multiple submission attempts that somehow Hardy got out of. How you can fault him for those 2 fights is beyond me, they were both entertaining azz whoopings where GSP nearly finished them multiple times. Anderson was being an idiot and mocking opponents and just plain not fighting for long periods of time. Dont worry though guys, Im sure the BJ rule will go into play and Shields will get an immediate rematch.

[Strella]

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Yea, this guy should def get an ultimatum from Dana to start trying harder or else he should take his candy azz to strikeforce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEhY96ePc1A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7OVLDj3vNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2hFxvh4AVk

[Strella]

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Here is the second round eye poke if interested.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/323054/Video-replay-shows-Shields-eye-poke-vs-GSP/

Ive also never really seen a guy get poked in the eye and not look at the ref and b!tch or ask for time. Yup, GSP is a real softie.

[FUZO]

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my take on this fight? gsp although in my opinion is the better fighter all around has a huge issue with losing. all great fighters, especially champions should. BUT, he has been fighting his last several fights not to win but more along the lines of not to lose. he is so afraid to lose its scary. he should be unafraid to attack and finish. that was chuck's major selling point to his fans. even if he got caught and knocked out he was in the fight to ****ing finish people not outpoint and let the judges decide. gsp let shields get into his head badly because he knows of the fights he has had shields had the best skill set and chance to finish him and he couldn't let that happen. not that he should have gone to the ground with him from the opening bell but to be outfought standing by someone who has a subpar standup game like shields is unforgiving. so he may have got tapped out or ko'd. he'd get an almost immediate rematch with his rep. he needs to stop fighting safe and start fighting all out or his fights won't get the pay per view numbers and dana will have to step in and say something at that point.

EXACTLY

[tn94z]

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I think those are 2 completely different situations, GSP has been trying to finish guys and has been the aggressor in all but maybe the last one, he just wasnt able to put some of those guys away. He did however beat a lot of those guys down. He beat the piss out of Fitch for 5 straight rounds never letting up and he did the same with Hardy and got in him in multiple submission attempts that somehow Hardy got out of. How you can fault him for those 2 fights is beyond me, they were both entertaining azz whoopings where GSP nearly finished them multiple times. Anderson was being an idiot and mocking opponents and just plain not fighting for long periods of time. Dont worry though guys, Im sure the BJ rule will go into play and Shields will get an immediate rematch.

I'll give you that. But using Hardy is a terrible example and actually helps my argument. Hardy is/was not a top level fighter by any means. He is a banger with KO power. He doesn't have really good standup. His TDD is horrible (as most UK fighters). His ground game isn't good. GSP should have easily finshed Hardy if he is a top P4P fighter like everyone claims. Hughes hasn't been that good in a LONG time. Hughes was one of the worst dry humpers of his time....GSP is just a more athletic Hughes. You can easily fault GSP for the Hardy fight if you want to get technical....he didn't have the correct position on the subs...that was his fault. Anderson was being an idiot to prove a point. One to Dana that the fighters weren't bringing the fight to him. And two to the fighters he clowned because they ran their mouths. I agree that may not be the right way to go about it and you would never see GSP do it like that, but to many fans that was entertaining. I could sit there and watch Anderson play air guitar all night long. That is a part of his gameplan...it draws the fighters in. It's no different than yelling trash talk while fighting. The only time Anderson did not fight for any period of time is when his opponents were falling to guard and expecting him to come get them. That's no different than GSP not taking Shields down because he knew Shields would run a clinic on him on the ground. It just a different way each fighter goes about it.


I don't think Shields will get an immediate rematch. He was beaten soundly by the scorecards.

I am a big GSP fan as is my wife. So don't think this is GSP hate. I just call it like I see it and if you have watched GSP's entire career, it should be very obvious that he doesn't fight with the same aggressiveness that he used to. He is fighting to win (most fights) instead of laying in all on the line. You technically can't fault him for that because the W is the main thing. But if he doesn't want to get labeled along side Fitch as boring, then he better turn it up. Look at how much more exciting Machida has gotten since he got labeled.

My opinion....GSP has become complacent. He doesn't want to lay it out there and he doesn't act like he wants to leave WW. That is fine and I will continue to watch him. But look at what becoming complacent did for BJ......

[Strella]

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I dont think he is becoming complacent at all, tentative....sure, but not complacent. I agree his old fights were more exciting and now he really just wants to win, and I see his point, get the win and minimize the amount of damage you receive. Would I like to see him finish these guys? Sure. I still think he trains as hard as anyone in the sport and pushes himself farther than most guys do which is why he can afford the luxury of a "conservative" game plan and still get easy wins; he was on complete auto pilot for rds 4-5 and still easily beat a guy who hasnt lost in 6 years. That is where him and BJ differ; BJ has prob never trained the way GSP does and certainly not year round like he does either. I still think GSP is becoming better as a fighter overall, he just isnt as aggressive as some would like as of late.

I think a lot of these debates are funny because as with many sports things could so easily be completely different. Like in college basketball, you see end of year records but dont realize that a team may have just squeaked by with some very "lucky" wins, buzzer beater shots etc. and another team with a worse or similar record may have lost a few the same way. For instance had Sonen just not been over aggressive in the 5th he would have earned the title and Silva would be getting tons of people saying see what happens when he fights a real fighter etc, and if Shields gets totally KOd by the high kick GSP threw similar to the way Hughes did then this whole point is moot. Im just saying things arent always as they appear necessarily.

I think GSP will eventually move up, but I can see his hesitation, he has a 7(i think) fight win streak he would have to vacate. I mean it would be kind of cool to have held a title belt the longest of anyone. I do think the loss to Serra still messes with his head some and it seems like he just wants to be too perfect instead of getting dirty at times. Its like he trains so hard and so long that he gets very frustrated when he cant execute something exactly as he had planned.

[tn94z]

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I dont think he is becoming complacent at all, tentative....sure, but not complacent. I agree his old fights were more exciting and now he really just wants to win, and I see his point, get the win and minimize the amount of damage you receive. Would I like to see him finish these guys? Sure. I still think he trains as hard as anyone in the sport and pushes himself farther than most guys do which is why he can afford the luxury of a "conservative" game plan and still get easy wins; he was on complete auto pilot for rds 4-5 and still easily beat a guy who hasnt lost in 6 years. That is where him and BJ differ; BJ has prob never trained the way GSP does and certainly not year round like he does either. I still think GSP is becoming better as a fighter overall, he just isnt as aggressive as some would like as of late.

I think a lot of these debates are funny because as with many sports things could so easily be completely different. Like in college basketball, you see end of year records but dont realize that a team may have just squeaked by with some very "lucky" wins, buzzer beater shots etc. and another team with a worse or similar record may have lost a few the same way. For instance had Sonen just not been over aggressive in the 5th he would have earned the title and Silva would be getting tons of people saying see what happens when he fights a real fighter etc, and if Shields gets totally KOd by the high kick GSP threw similar to the way Hughes did then this whole point is moot. Im just saying things arent always as they appear necessarily.

I think GSP will eventually move up, but I can see his hesitation, he has a 7(i think) fight win streak he would have to vacate. I mean it would be kind of cool to have held a title belt the longest of anyone. I do think the loss to Serra still messes with his head some and it seems like he just wants to be too perfect instead of getting dirty at times. Its like he trains so hard and so long that he gets very frustrated when he cant execute something exactly as he had planned.

You are right. He pushes himself in training, but I am referring to competition. He seems to be happy with no challenges. He knows that he is HUGE compared to the rest of the WW division and most fighters there pose no challenge for him and that seems to be okay with him. And that is fine. I mean, that is the nature of the best in today's MMA. He doesn't have the same competitive fire that BJ has for example. I mean, BJ fights at 155, 170, and even fought at LHW with his size. Why? To challenge himself and see what he is really made of. GSP is not that type of competitor. I think he will eventually move to MW but I think it will only be because he physically has to. He is gaining some pretty good size and the cuts are getting hard on him, so he will eventually have to go to MW. If BJ were in GSP's position, he would have fought Anderson 2 years ago. Hell, BJ would probably fight Anderson now if it were available. It just feels like GSP has no desire to challenge himself because he is so scared that he will lose and be knocked off that pedestal.