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    Newton elementary school shooter Adam Lanza likely on meds; labeled as having 'personality disorder'

    NaturalNews) In mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today's tragic event is headed in the same direction.

    According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having "mental illness" and a "personality disorder." These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being "treated" with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

    One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

    Note: The shooter was originally mid-identified as Ryan Lanza but has now been corrected to Adam Lanza.

    The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.

    No gun can, by itself, shoot anyone. It must be triggered by a person who makes a decision to use it. And while people like NY Mayor Bloomberg are predictably trying to exploit the deaths of these children to call for guns to be stripped from all law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong whatsoever, nobody calls for medication control.

    Why is that? After all, medication alters the mind that controls the finger that pulls the trigger. The saying that "guns kill people" is physically impossible. People kill other people, and as we all learned from watching the O.J. Simpson trial, you don't need a gun to commit murder.

    We should be outlawing psychiatric medications, not an inanimate piece of metal

    If there is to be any legitimate debate on so-called "gun control" in the aftermath of this shooting, the only idea that makes any sense at all would be to restrict gun purchases by people currently taking psychiatric medications. But even that restriction would of course be abused by the government to take guns away from perfectly healthy, law-abiding citizens who innocently seek treatment for mild depression and who honestly have no clue that psychiatric drugs can cause violent behavior.

    A far better solution here would be to outlaw psychiatric drugs that cause the violent behavior in the first place. After all, if you only outlaw guns but fail to eliminate the drugs that cause the violence, people dosed up on mind-altering meds will simply find alternate weapons to commit the same acts of violence. You don't think a crazy guy with a sword can hack up 20 or 30 kids in a school? A sword, a knife or even a pick axe can be just as deadly as a firearm.

    A guy with a chain saw can do all kinds of damage if he's out of his mind. Should we ban chain saws?

    I have thought for quite some time that people on medication are dangerous operating automobiles on public roads. If driving drunk is illegal, why isn't "driving on meds" illegal? Why are wildly medicated people allowed to operate heavy machinery?

    A high-ranking police officer in Tucson, Arizona once told me, on the record, that one-third of all automobile accidents in the city of Tucson were related to medicated drivers. That's an astonishing number, and if true, it would seem to indicate that medications are more dangerous than guns when it comes to the total daily body count.

    Do the math: medications are far more deadly than guns

    Medications kill roughly 100,000 Americans each year according to study statistics. The actual number is either 98,000 or 106,000 depending on which study you believe.

    For guns to be as deadly as medications, you'd have to see a Newton-style massacre happening ten times a day, every day of the year. Only then would "gun violence" even match up to the number of deaths caused by doctor-prescribed, FDA-approved medications.

    Why does America grieve for the children killed in Newton, but not for the medical victims killed by Big Pharma? Are the lives of people on medication not valuable compared to the lives of children in elementary school? Will Obama shed a tear for the victims of Big Pharma, or are his tears reserved only for politically expedient events that push his agenda of unconstitutional gun restrictions?

    If our goal us to stop the violence in America, we are completely dishonest if we do not consider the mental causes of violent behavior. And that starts with mind-altering psychiatric drugs which I believe have unleashed a drug-induced epidemic of violence across our nation.

    Obama, Bloomberg and others will point to guns and try to convince you that inanimate metal objects are the cause of this violence. But they lie by omission. No guns shoots itself. The trigger must be pulled by someone, and the mental state of that person is the primary cause of the resulting action. To ignore this fundamental chain of facts is brutally dishonest.

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    WHY DO THESE COWARDS ONLY GO PLACES WHERE THEY KNOW NO ONE WILL HAVE GUNS TO SHOOT BACK??? YOU NEVER SEE SOMEONE GOING TO A GUN SHOW AND SHOOTING ANYONE...THINK ABOUT IT!!
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      Re: Gun control? We need medication control!

      I said this the other day! All thhese meds that are being dispensed by docs are the root cause in my opinion.
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        I couldnt agree more with this.Outlawing guns for every day citizens will not stop shootings.

        The problem is we as a society have failed.This govt is set up so there are no more familes anymore.Couples have to work multiple jobs just to survive leaving noone home to teach their kids morals and values and the basicas of right and wrong nor even the love and bonding of the "FAMILY LIFESTYLE" !!!! There are so many more things that need to be outlawed over guns! As everyone knows and this article points out,prescription meds alone kill hundreds of thousands each year but they are still the accepted "treatment" in todays society!! Lets just keep doping our kids up every time they even just act like a hyper kid.You know what my medication was when I was a kid when I got out of line...A KICK TO THE ASS OR A SMACK TO THE MOUTH!! This whole "time out" shit way of punishing our kids is a joke! We need to start taking responsibility on ourselves as "PARENTS" and diciplining our children ourselves and stop giving that responsibility to the govt whos only care in taking care of our kids is making money on prescribing them more and more drugs!!! This shit pisses me off like nothing else!!! These retards that say hitiimg your child is abuse are idiots.Im sorry if anyone here is one of the time out parents but look at how our society has become.Look at how many times you see and hear about "normal" middle class or even "upper class" going on shooting sprees!!! Did they not receive enough time outs? Orwas it kicks to their asses that they didnt get????

        Its sad that as parents we put the burden of rasing our children on the govt whos failed initself to take care of us as a whole let alone individually.Everytime something happens to our kids its evety elses fault but YOUR OWN!!! My kids fat because Burger King sells fatty food.My kids on drugs because they saw it in a rap video.My kids bad because he has ADHD!!! Start taking part in rasing your own damn kids and teaching them what they need to know and to grow into a normal person.The answer is not doping them up till they become a vegetable!! Lets see what I want better for my kids....a whipping from myself or my wife (you know...THEIR PARENTS) or the govt loading them up with meds????? Now dont get on the "ITS NOT RIGHT TO BEAT YOU KIDS" bullshit!! Im not talking about beating your kids senseless.Im not saying getting into a fist fight with your kids for smoking.Theres a big difference between smacking your child and "beating" them.

        I was rasied this way, and I ahve always raised my kids this way and guess what,we're all still alive and doing fine.If and when I do have to smack my kids,I always go to them agfterwards and expalin to them that I didnt want to do it but why I did.I also tell them how much I love then and just want them to understand what they did was wrong and to learn not to do it again.I punish them and give them love and support explaining why I punished them.My family is blessed to be what it is today and we have lived a very happy life together and still do.Even when my kids have a red bottom from a whoppin.

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          Sorry for the rant but this is why I have not commented on the CT school shooting.I feel so passionately about it and I knew I ould go off.

          The bottom line is get the hell out of the govt's control in your household and "BE A PARENT!!!!!"

          Knocking someone up or getting knocked up is not being a parent contrary to popular belief in todays society.There's actually more to being a parent than that.

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            MY DAUGHTER IS 17 AND SHE KNOWS ILLPUT A BOOT UP HER ASS IF SHE GETS OUT OF LINE. IVE DONE IT BEFORE AND IT ONLY TAKES ME ONCE TO SAY SOMETHING TO HER AND SHE STRAIGHTENS OUT. I KNOW WHERE MY DAUGHTER GOES, I KNOW HER FRIENDS, I KNOW WHERE SHE GOES TO SCHOOL, I TALK FREQUENTLY TO HER TEACHERS, AND SHE HAS A CELL PHONE. IF I CALL THAT PHONE AND SHE DOESNT ANSWER IN A COUPLE OF RINGS - SHES IN TROUBLE.

            SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD IS TRUE...THEY GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING THESE DAYS. PARENTS PUT THEM ON MEDS INSTEAD OF TALKING AND PARTICIPATING IN THEIR LIVES
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              Re: Gun control? We need medication control!

              Originally posted by O2BESOHUGE View Post
              MY DAUGHTER IS 17 AND SHE KNOWS ILLPUT A BOOT UP HER ASS IF SHE GETS OUT OF LINE. IVE DONE IT BEFORE AND IT ONLY TAKES ME ONCE TO SAY SOMETHING TO HER AND SHE STRAIGHTENS OUT. I KNOW WHERE MY DAUGHTER GOES, I KNOW HER FRIENDS, I KNOW WHERE SHE GOES TO SCHOOL, I TALK FREQUENTLY TO HER TEACHERS, AND SHE HAS A CELL PHONE. IF I CALL THAT PHONE AND SHE DOESNT ANSWER IN A COUPLE OF RINGS - SHES IN TROUBLE.

              SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD IS TRUE...THEY GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING THESE DAYS. PARENTS PUT THEM ON MEDS INSTEAD OF TALKING AND PARTICIPATING IN THEIR LIVES

              This is so true man.Thats the whole point to an ass whopping.It only takes once for them to get the mesage.My kids know what they will get if they dont listen to me or my wife so they do what they're told.The whole point to punishment is to deter them from doing it again.What deterance is a ****ing time out?? "OH NO,I BETTER NOT DO THAT AGAIN,I MAY HAVE TO STAND IN THE CORNER FOR 10 MINUTES" Yea right!!!

              Like I said,we've always done everything in out household with love and this includes punishment.

              Also like you said about being part of their lives and the people they interact with,I couldnt agree more.This is SOOOOOOO important my brother.Being PART of your childrens lives is so important in their growing up.Today many so called aprents dont even know their kids teachers names let alone speaking with them.Don't have a clue as to where their kids are half the time as long as they're not bothering them!! Taking a "pro-active" role in their childrens lives instead of a reacive one is a crucial part of being a parent.

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                Re: Gun control? We need medication control!

                this is all true but the biggest issue also more control on dispensing of meds an more follow up on how patients are feeling on them like any abnormal thoughts and such. the problem is that patients areen't always hones with their docs either.
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                  Originally posted by baby1 View Post
                  this is all true but the biggest issue also more control on dispensing of meds an more follow up on how patients are feeling on them like any abnormal thoughts and such. the problem is that patients areen't always hones with their docs either.

                  Agreed baby1 but the whole issue is I truly believe that a large majority of the kids that are on meds shoudln't be.

                  I'll tell you a little story about myself and experience with a kid with "ADHD" I was once invloved with someone who had kids and one of them had ADHD.He was on Ridilin and when off he would try to hurt himself.His mother would of course rush him to the dr and they would OF COURSE dope him up further.They would presecribe him so muchridilin he would completely go zombie and you couldnt even get a reaction out of him.The short time I was with them,we weaned him off of this drug and whenever he would start to flip and start hitting himself or try to bang himself against a wall I would grab him and bear hug him all the while telling him to clam down and telling him that mommy and daddy loved him and we dont want hm to ge hurt.This would last sometimes for 20 minutes or longer and I wouldnt let go.He would struggle and try to get out of the bear hug but of course could not.I just kept saying this to him in a low soft voice while hugging and kissing him.Within a few months he was completely off Ridilin and he was moved out of a special ed class into a more advanced class.I took and take great pride in knowing that together we could beat this so called disease he had and the main part of it was getting him off of the bullshit drugs they had him on!!! It brings tears to my eyes to this day thinking about him and how he was when I first came into their lives and how he was while we were together.

                  LOViNG YOUR CHILD MAKES SO MUCH DIFFERENCE IN HOW THEY GROW AND TURN OUT! Again,being a f&n parent to your child,if they are yours through genes or just through marriage is so important and is a lost thing today!!

                  Like I said,a bog part of it IMHO is the govt's as its so hard to survive today unless people have multiple jobs just to pay their bills.And whats the govt's answer to fixing the economy??? MORE TAXING OF THE WORKING CLASS!!!! If the cost of living could be brought under control people would sill be able to have a parent at home rasing their kids.This is for another discussion though.

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                    Re: Gun control? We need medication control!

                    Originally posted by F.I.S.T. View Post
                    Agreed baby1 but the whole issue is I truly believe that a large majority of the kids that are on meds shoudln't be.

                    I'll tell you a little story about myself and experience with a kid with "ADHD" I was once invloved with someone who had kids and one of them had ADHD.He was on Ridilin and when off he would try to hurt himself.His mother would of course rush him to the dr and they would OF COURSE dope him up further.They would presecribe him so muchridilin he would completely go zombie and you couldnt even get a reaction out of him.The short time I was with them,we weaned him off of this drug and whenever he would start to flip and start hitting himself or try to bang himself against a wall I would grab him and bear hug him all the while telling him to clam down and telling him that mommy and daddy loved him and we dont want hm to ge hurt.This would last sometimes for 20 minutes or longer and I wouldnt let go.He would struggle and try to get out of the bear hug but of course could not.I just kept saying this to him in a low soft voice while hugging and kissing him.Within a few months he was completely off Ridilin and he was moved out of a special ed class into a more advanced class.I took and take great pride in knowing that together we could beat this so called disease he had and the main part of it was getting him off of the bullshit drugs they had him on!!! It brings tears to my eyes to this day thinking about him and how he was when I first came into their lives and how he was while we were together.

                    LOViNG YOUR CHILD MAKES SO MUCH DIFFERENCE IN HOW THEY GROW AND TURN OUT! Again,being a f&n parent to your child,if they are yours through genes or just through marriage is so important and is a lost thing today!!

                    Like I said,a bog part of it IMHO is the govt's as its so hard to survive today unless people have multiple jobs just to pay their bills.And whats the govt's answer to fixing the economy??? MORE TAXING OF THE WORKING CLASS!!!! If the cost of living could be brought under control people would sill be able to have a parent at home rasing their kids.This is for another discussion though.
                    they lable so many kids with that and it is ridiculous! I also believe it the diet that kids are eating. That is a contributing factor for many things
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                      we see it all to clearly yet the vast majority does not. i blame the media also for the vast amount of fame and coverage of these events. dont plaster it all over the place and give them their 10 minutes of fame. i dont recall the last story i saw on the boys fighting overseas lately. oh wait no one cares about that anymore. i am sick and fed up with the society we live in and the stupid band waggoning people that allow it to happen. the pres and all the other pieces of trash that we elect time and time again are gunning for these events so they can step up and place laws in effect to say hey look at what we did to make everyone safer. sorry people but that is not going to happen. i have said it time and again " look at the cities and states with the toughest firearm control" they have the highest crime rates in the country. now i am no rocket scientist by any stretch of the imagination but makes you think "hey that way doesnt work very well" idk if you guys remember the string of postal workers shooting up their work places years back but they method behind their madness was that they were upset with their jobs and they attacked their coworkers for a reason not just random. dont see that being talked about in relation to this type of event. wonder why that is?
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                      • #12
                        We need to have annual background checks. This won't stop the normal well to do citizen from owning a gun, but will add an extra step to continue owning.
                        I have to smog my car, if I had to resubmit an application to get guns out of these mentally Ill hands I'll do the extra step. Something has go be done. Too many loop holes. An assault rifle is still an assault rifle whether or not it has a foldable stock of muzzle break.
                        I see no reason for assault rifles in the middle of Philadelphia, Miami, or Cleveland. If you want one in the middle of Oregon because you live in the mountains among bears then maybe if understand. At least it has a purpose there. I can't see one cogent argument for owning one in a highly populated metropolitan area. Because I can, its my right, doesn't cut it.

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                          drunk driving killed over 10,000 people last year. there were over 30,000 deaths from traffic accidents. I am not belittling the fact that this was a terrible tragedy just trying to put it in perspective. Everybody drives a car and they are not willing to give up rights associated with vehicles but they are quick to jump on the gun ban-dwagon


                          interesting article:


                          With 14 incidents stopped by police with a total of 200 dead that’s an average of about 14.3. With 15 incidents stopped by civilians and 35 dead that’s an average of 2.3.


                          The first point I want to draw your attention to is that roughly half of shooting rampages end in suicide anyway. What that means is that police are not even in a position to stop most of them. Only the civilians present at the time of the shooting have any opportunity to stop those shooters. That’s probably more important than the statistic itself. In a shooting rampage, counting on the police to intervene at all is a coin flip at best.


                          Second, within the civilian category 10 of the 15 shootings were stopped by unarmed civilians. What’s amazing about that is that whether armed or not, when a civilian plays hero it seems to save a lot of lives. The courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas was the only incident where the heroic civilian was killed. In that incident the hero was armed with a handgun and the villain was armed with an assault rifle and body armor. If you compare the average of people killed in shootings stopped by armed civilians and unarmed civilians you get 1.8 and 2.6, but that’s not nearly as significant as the difference between a proactive civilian, and a cowering civilian who waits for police.


                          So, given that far less people die in rampage shootings stopped by a proactive civilian, only civilians have any opportunity to stop rampage shootings in roughly half of incidents, and armed civilians do better on average than unarmed civilians, wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?
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                            Except the fact that a person can buy a gun when mentally stable, go nuts 3 years later, mass kill 5 years later. Once you buy a gun, that's it. I'm not saying take guns away from normal well to do people, but if you are put on anti psychotics you lose your right to own a gun. If you commit a crime with a gun you lose your right. If you like domestic violence you lose your right.

                            My brother committed a crime with a gun while a juvenile. He then gets a felony for assault, and countless DUIs. Guess what he can still buy a gun. And thsts all he talked about since losing his gun. What's wrong with this picture? He is not a normal Joe shmoe. I would love to see more people being denied the ability to own weapons. If you want to own one, keep your shit clean. Own it, hunt, defend your home from zombies. Commit a violent crime, tough shit.

                            I can't buy a butterfly knife or switch blade in my state but I can buy a Barrett .50 Cal. :what:

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                              Originally posted by suprfast View Post
                              Except the fact that a person can buy a gun when mentally stable, go nuts 3 years later, mass kill 5 years later. Once you buy a gun, that's it. I'm not saying take guns away from normal well to do people, but if you are put on anti psychotics you lose your right to own a gun. If you commit a crime with a gun you lose your right. If you like domestic violence you lose your right.

                              My brother committed a crime with a gun while a juvenile. He then gets a felony for assault, and countless DUIs. Guess what he can still buy a gun. And thsts all he talked about since losing his gun. What's wrong with this picture? He is not a normal Joe shmoe. I would love to see more people being denied the ability to own weapons. If you want to own one, keep your shit clean. Own it, hunt, defend your home from zombies. Commit a violent crime, tough shit.

                              I can't buy a butterfly knife or switch blade in my state but I can buy a Barrett .50 Cal. :what:
                              i agree. also i have no problem with a registration system. if you buy/sell it it must go through FFL.
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