Legal marijuanas biggest foe

[daved150]

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well..its the same as alcohol to me....i hear the "driving while high" arguement and i thnk of the "drunk driving" annology..."smoking pot around kids"? smoking cigerette's around kids! i have not seen or heard any facts that would make me change my opinion. if there was a real reson that it should remain illegal, while alcohol should remain legal, i'd like to hear it!!! i appreciate that we can have an adult discussion about this subject, but i would like to hear some fact opposing legalizing pot...some real facts and not the typical government scare tactics about gateway drugs and shyt.
funny thing...when i was arrested for DUI (alcohol, not pot, lol) i went to a 3 day camp. it was about dealing wiiht your "addictions" (i guess a first time ticket, to a first time offender means your an alcoholic!!)...well on the last day, i swear to you, i watched a 3hr film about alcohol being a gateway drug!!! seriously!!! it went from social drinking to herion OD!!! wow....i was laffing my ass off. the counslers did appreciate it, but they also couldnt admit of knowing about one case of someone going from "social drinker" to "heroin O.D."....not one. to much mis information out there that people use to make up their minds...its like obama....all the information was out there about what a fuk up this guy would be, but no one wanted to read...they all just thaught they knew it all and wouldnt open their minds up to be educated....too bad...we might not be as fuked up as we are

[BABY1]

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well..its the same as alcohol to me....i hear the "driving while high" arguement and i thnk of the "drunk driving" annology..."smoking pot around kids"? smoking cigerette's around kids! i have not seen or heard any facts that would make me change my opinion. if there was a real reson that it should remain illegal, while alcohol should remain legal, i'd like to hear it!!! i appreciate that we can have an adult discussion about this subject, but i would like to hear some fact opposing legalizing pot...some real facts and not the typical government scare tactics about gateway drugs and shyt.

I don't think anyone is trying to change anyone's mind here. This, like any, is a discussion the brings out different views and opinions. Have you looked for some 'facts' on the other side of this?

[daved150]

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I don't think anyone is trying to change anyone's mind here. This, like any, is a discussion the brings out different views and opinions. Have you looked for some 'facts' on the other side of this?

well, i didnt neccessarily believe anyone was TRYING to change anyones mind persey...when you debate or discuss oposing views you ALWAYS hope the other guys says "wow...you got a point...you may be right!! i need to look into this more, i may be wrong"...i would assume thats why fuzo goes on about obama. if he didnt think he could wake up people why would he talk about it? yes...at different times i've heard other points on WHY people believe what they believe. and everytime it was mis information that they used to base their beliefs...like i had someone tell me about not wanting it to be legal becouse people will get "addicted" to it...its not addictive!! i didnt here any opinions or opposing facts in this thread thou, so i cant give you an example about the opossing beliefs here.

[BABY1]

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If you search the net, there are conflicting debates about marijuana being addictive or not.

Many people start out with pot, like alcohol, and when the effects aren't good enough anymore they resort to other drugs.

I, for one, am not a debater and it doesn't bother me if one agrees with me or not. I have said before that I think it is good for medicinal purposes. I just don't believe it should be made legal here in the US.

[daved150]

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well...as i said, you can say that for alcohol baby1...i told you about the camp i went too the led from social drinking to heroin addiction and O.D....do you feel thats a likely scenario? mis-information has to be rationalized. i seen studies in school where they have proven pot is in no way physicaly addictive. mentaly, maybe, but not physical addictive. now...mentaly addictive? poptarts can be mentaly addictive...alcohol IS physicly addictive!! so is nicotine...why then are ciggerette and liquor legal?

(also...is this thread locked?? i got a message that no one can post in here but you and me?? )

[BABY1]

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No The thread is not locked.

I am not convinced that if you have been using pot, that you will not experience any withdrawals if you stop. The body gets used to many things that are put into it on a regular basis and many experience things when they stop something. I think pot would do the same and there is also info on this very thing. I don't have the answer to why cigarettes and alcohol are legal and I am not saying that is okay. We all know that alcohol and cigarettes are out of control and I think pot would also fall into that category, if legalized. Don't think it will happen in my lifetime.

[IronpumpedLady]

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^^^Thats what makes where we live so great, we can all have opinions, agree to disagree, and debate freely about any and all subjects~! It's a beautiful thing!!

I my self thing Mary J is probably one of the closest recs to Alcohol there is, at least from my view point. I think some of the others that are easily accessed on the streets today are far more dangerous, as well as powerful. Especially as far as mind altering is concerned.
I really think abuse, addiction, etc.., is and will always be an individual thing, some people are addicted to drinking sodas, meaning some people are just more prone than others. I've seen friends who've lost themself's totally on things they can get with a simple script from their family Dr., and now can't seem to manage life without them. I have a good friend who's a professional in the field he works in, his parents were both PHD's, he doesn't go out alot, enjoys higher end scotch, but divulges in Mary J nightly, nothing more, I've never known him to not be on top of everything at his business, or seen what he does have any negative effects on any parts of his life. My point being, everyone's there own unique individual, everyone handles things differently, as things effect them differently, so whats addicting to one, isn't to another. If that makes sense~



Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[daved150]

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well...i dont know how to convince you baby1...i've seen study after study and no physical withdraws...mental withdraws that an individual brain forces a phsycal reaction too is different. physicly additive does not change from one person to another...if you suck a crak pipe once a day for a yr, you WILL ABSOLUTELY be physicaly addicted. now...most peopple can smoke a joint a day and quit and never experience any withdraws...its not physiclay addictive. there's noe diferencr in biology and addictiveness....pot is absolutely. 100% non-physicaly addictive. but...psychologicaly, your mind may make you believe you are, so you are...you understand what i'm saying? if something is physicaly addictive, it is for EVERYONE!!! mental....well..thats each different person.


and i too know people that operate fine on a joint...not tired, not stupid, just perfer a joint too drinking.

[straydoglogic]

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Okay, so this will probably be the last post I make in this thread. But I wanted to point something out to those that say it will never be legal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_that_have_decriminalized_non-medical_cannabis_in_the_United_States

[FUZO]

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....pot is absolutely. 100% non-physicaly addictive

no one can say its a 100% not physicaly addictive this.Like IPL said to some it may to some it may not

i watched a 3hr film about alcohol being a gateway drug!!! seriously!!! it went from social drinking to herion OD!!! wow....i was laffing my ass off. the counslers did appreciate it, but they also couldnt admit of knowing about one case of someone going from "social drinker" to "heroin O.D."

If you have a addictive personality you can go to smoking to social drinking to other drugs.

and i too know people that operate fine on a joint

No matter how you look at it marijauna is a mind altering drug which makes your motor skills slower. You may think that person is fine but it can take one second to screw something up and hurt him or her selves because of being high on pot.Some may operate better then others on it but like I said.

[IronpumpedLady]

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I'm just gonna add this, as far as the body becoming dependent, I think it can if it alters or changes the chemical make up, then your body will most likely go thru some type of withdrawal, you may not even realize its going on, depending on the severity of distrubance its made in your system and the length of time you've been on it. Also some chemical changes from certain drugs (be it illegal or script) can be permanent. I learned that in Med school, but have seen it first hand. But again I'm not anti- this or that or totally against or even saying it will not happen for that matter, I think in time there's a great chance that it will be legal in some states.

I guess in the end it all comes down to being responsible for your own actions, if your high on anything (life, booze, drugs) be safe, and smart, do it on your time, not at work, and don't do anything to put others at risk, its just that simple.


Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[daved150]

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ok...from my understanding, physicaly dependant means EVERYONE...(non-voluntary) addiction to a foriegn substance..TO ALL! its not a hit of miss, or you may be different kind of thing. no one is different to the addiction to heroin...NO ONE...it IS physicaly addictive...pot is not...100% fact fuzo. its not a situation where its optional to be addictive for some and not others...thats NOT the deffinition of addictive!! that is psychologicaly addictive....i dont think i can be more clear...to be physicaly addictive a substance MUST be addictive to all!! not hit or mis..pot IS NOT phsycaly addictive....and ANYTHINIG can be psycologicaly addictive..i know idiots that think they are addicted to mountaindew...and i'm not about to say maybe they are becouse some people are different...its in their mind!!!

[straydoglogic]

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ok...from my understanding, physicaly dependant means EVERYONE...(non-voluntary) addiction to a foriegn substance..TO ALL! its not a hit of miss, or you may be different kind of thing. no one is different to the addiction to heroin...NO ONE...it IS physicaly addictive...pot is not...100% fact fuzo. its not a situation where its optional to be addictive for some and not others...thats NOT the deffinition of addictive!! that is psychologicaly addictive....i dont think i can be more clear...to be physicaly addictive a substance MUST be addictive to all!! not hit or mis..pot IS NOT phsycaly addictive....and ANYTHINIG can be psycologicaly addictive..i know idiots that think they are addicted to mountaindew...and i'm not about to say maybe they are becouse some people are different...its in their mind!!!

Your post is spot on aside from the Mountain Dew Dew thing. It could very well be that they are addicted to caffeine but they're to stupid to realize and blame it on the soda.

[daved150]

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Your post is spot on aside from the Mountain Dew Dew thing. It could very well be that they are addicted to caffeine but they're to stupid to realize and blame it on the soda.

whatever...point was they aint addicted to frikin mountain dew!! itsw in the mind!! just like pot addiction...its in the head only!! no physical addictive qualities at all...zero...none...you cant pretend that its there for some and not for all, becouse then its not addictive, lol..addictive means addictive to all...crak...heroin...meth...coke...not pot.

[BABY1]

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I'm just gonna add this, as far as the body becoming dependent, I think it can if it alters or changes the chemical make up, then your body will most likely go thru some type of withdrawal, you may not even realize its going on, depending on the severity of distrubance its made in your system and the length of time you've been on it. Also some chemical changes from certain drugs (be it illegal or script) can be permanent. I learned that in Med school, but have seen it first hand. But again I'm not anti- this or that or totally against or even saying it will not happen for that matter, I think in time there's a great chance that it will be legal in some states.

I guess in the end it all comes down to being responsible for your own actions, if your high on anything (life, booze, drugs) be safe, and smart, do it on your time, not at work, and don't do anything to put others at risk, its just that simple.


Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

I think Ipl is on target here and this makes a lot of sense.

I read that some research has reported some physical effects when longterm users quit using. NOTHING is ever 100% in anything.