A mosque at Ground Zero...

[ROAD WARRIOR]

Frankly, I hate this idea of a mosque with every ounce of my existance, and I will not get into the details. But the bottom line is I think this area should be turned into a memorial and place of respect and reflection.

[JsJs24]

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The whole idea of this mosque disgusts me. It is obviously a blatant stab of mockery in an attempt to declare a victorious attack on western civilization. However, even though most people will vehemently disagree with my opinion here, I still feel obliged to voice it.

I do not believe any government action should be taken to prevent the mosque from being built. My stance is strictly on the grounds of liberty and in accordance with the Constitution. Yet, it must be evident that the money is not being funneled from a terrorist organization, and that the mosque does not purport to enforce Sharia Law (this is where grounds for preventing it come in to play, and rightfully so). Otherwise there is nothing in the constitution that prevents a citizen from building a religious building on private property. I am not certain how the man purchased the land, but I can only imagine that anyone else would have been free to do so as well, including the government. If the government was supposedly wanting to build a monument in the area then why did they not buy the land first? Or is this mosque site not as close to ground zero as the monument was going to be? At any rate, none of this is relevant. What is relevant is the fact that anyone who owns land has a right to build on that land. In addition, our Constitution does not allow discrimination of religion, therefore the mosque is perfectly legal to build. But once again I will admit that the whole idea of it disgusts me. This man is a disgrace to society and by his actions he is worsening the reputation of the Muslim religion.

What may indeed happen though is that nobody will want to build the mosque. This may not happen too, but I can only imagine that anyone willing to work on the building is putting themselves at risk due to the amount of criticism and the sentimental value of the area. Also, the mosque will be a likely target for vandalism, again due to the overwhelming resent of the project among locals.

What Americans should consider is that we are so great a nation that we allow liberties to trump unpopular decisions by pathetic individuals such as the man wanting to build the mosque. But turn the situation around and think of what it would be like if someone wanted to build a Catholic church or some other Christian building in a predominantly Muslim area. I would like to believe that they would be free to do so as well.

Defending freedom is a difficult task sometimes because everyone has their biases for the most part. It is too easy to demand that a law be created to prevent that which we do not want. But when this is done everyone loses the equal amount of freedom which that law retracts. By not allowing freedom to prevail is to permit tyranny to come to our land.

It must also be realized that the threat to freedom comes from collectivism, which makes its biggest enemy individualism. In that respect, politics comes down to two classes, collectivism and individualism. Those who believe in freedom align themselves with individualism, and those who detest freedom align themselves with collectivism. G. Edward Griffin summed up how to spot a collectivist very simply, by alleging that whenever someone says "there ought to be a law!" you can conclude they support collectivism, possibly not aware of this fact but nonetheless it is true. Believing the government should create laws to satisfy some while punishing others is a fundamental role of collectivism. Freedom isn't perfect but it's much better than the alternative. We have to be willing to accept that some things in life will upset us, but then we have the first amendment to express our opinions on such matters.

If there is something I am missing here please let me know. I have not been following the mosque story much at all because on face value it seems perfectly legal. Add to it that it disgusts me, I feel better to ignore the story. This is how I deal with issues that I don't agree with but understand there is nothing unconstitutional about them. I'll end with one of my favorite quotes from one of the greatest defenders of freedom, Thomas Jefferson.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson

[FUZO]

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Its disgusting and this president can go to hell. We are americans and it was the act of muslim terriorists that did this and in no way shape or form should something be built by these people on ground zero.We need to work very hard this election like we never worked so hard in our lives to get people to vote this scumbag out of office and to take back control of the house first then senate. This president is a racist he's a muslim a socialist I can go on and on. Why the american people were so niave and uneducated during the election is beside myself. Its time people to step up and protect our great country and get it back on track. Get small business's ging keep our taxes lower,start to get jobs going



VERY GOOD POST JSJS

[ROAD WARRIOR]

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You guys hit the nail right on the head. I work right across the river from Ground Zero, and I saw those towers go down. Needless to say, it was hard to deal with, and the thought of a mosque going up there makes me wanna puke.

[Dzone]

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I'm sure the obama administration and the liberals are happy to see a mosque at ground zero, it shows tolerance...well, any muslim who shows up there should get their ass kicked..lol...Why not build a shrine to Kamakazi pilots at Pearl Harbor???makes about as much sense.

[Strella]

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Have you guys heard about the dude who said he will build a gay bar next to the mosque if it gets put up? Kind of random....

[JsJs24]

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Have you guys heard about the dude who said he will build a gay bar next to the mosque if it gets put up? Kind of random....

Yes and I think its hilarious and a great idea. If they want to mock us then 2 can play at that game.

[Dzone]

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Have you guys heard about the dude who said he will build a gay bar next to the mosque if it gets put up? Kind of random....

Haha, lets hope so...I would prefer a strip joint go in next to the mosque..then let the chicks do a car wash in thongs out front, especially on days that the mosque is packed with islamics

[Strella]

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The dude seems pretty serious about building the bar and says he has talked with people who will back him.

[Dzone]

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^Hey these muslims have the right to build a mosque there but people also have the right to protest outside the mosque...hopefully people in NYC will have the cojones to go to that mosque and make life miserable for those bastards..put up some humongous speakers and play Death Metal full blast!!!!

[Strella]

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Oh I think stuff will get pretty heated around there if it happens.

[straydoglogic]

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The mosque is to be place 3 blocks away! People make it seem that it's going in right at ground zero, but it's not. Would people make a big deal if it were to be a christian church? No, they wouldn't. Listen, I'm an Atheist and dislike ALL religions, but I'm also a Constitutionalist Libertarian and it is the right of ANY religion to worship and have a place to do so. This is also a local issue, not a federal issue. I completely agree with whoever said that it should be made into a memorial, and I think it's disgusting that it hasn't already been done. After all this time they haven't memorialized this place? Gross. But again, this mosque is to be built 3 blocks away, not AT ground zero. I do also agree however that it is in bad taste to put a mosque so close by. But it also makes me wonder how many muslims also died in the building of the WTC.

[Dzone]

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What has Obama said about this mosque? Of course he is going to be all for it...

[straydoglogic]

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I think he has basically said that it's within the Constitutional rights to build a mosque. I'm really not sure of anything else. I do find it interesting and it makes me wonder that if it were another religion if he would have another opinion on it. But again, it has nothing to do with Obama because it's not a federal issue. Of course he's entitled to his opinion, but it doesn't matter here. It's a local, city issue, and if the mosque is within the city's zoning laws, there is really nothing to be done.

[horsepwr]

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It's a stake in the ground of land conquered for Muslims. Raise the Islamic flag for another "battleground" that was conquered. That's where the problem lies for me. There are mosques all over the country. They can bang there heads 5 times a day in 1 of the 500 mosques already in New York. But, those mosques aren't unique. They don't represent, to those Muslims, the conquered land as the massive mosque they want to build where the Twin Towers fell.
God damn all this politically correct bullshit! Fuk their fukin 13 story mosque symbolizing a great defeat. If you don't think it's anything more than just another ceneter for muslim worship, then you need to read-up.
When are you noodle backs gonna get it. This is a completely different enemy. They don't wear uniforms. They don't fight like ever before. And they don't just raise a flag where they feel they conquer land. At least, they wait til dumb-ass Americans forget about the magnitude of the attack, and the loss of life, and the declrartion of war on our freedom. Then they build their massive mosque in your fukin back yard, raise their flag, and do it all within your blessings under the disguise and bullshit pretense of religious freedom.