Closer than ever...

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why is it stunning, when i have a lack of knowledge of something, i'll say it, my preference is specific knowlege versus general, what i know of fdr is general which imho ain't worth much without specifics

Because you debate as if you are an expert on most issues concerning politics and the economy which I am probably guilty of too sometimes. I am grateful that you are honest here and didn't intend to offend you. I know you are a highly intelligent man, and assumed you were well read up on history. If one does not understand The New Deal and FDR, it is hard to understand what will happen with this president's policies. The two are nearly identical. FDR was a leftist socialist just like Obama. A worthless president imo, and possibly the worst in history, though Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson give him a close race. All three did their best to ruin this country. FDR served 3 terms as president, and then finally died. It wasn't until after that they placed a 2 term limit on the office of President. Every president before FDR felt it was honorable to only serve two terms the same as George Washington who voluntarily set the standard. But FDR was not about to stop at two terms, he would have run a fourth if the piece of trash didn't die while in office. Now we have a president who I think would like the same thing, to be a dictator if he has his chance.

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js, alot of stuff to me is irrational responses to a crisis that creates stupid solutions

like the great depression brought us social security, at the time only 10% of folks were involved in the market, yet, they wanted this program or whatever to show this or that, like they are doing something, what they have un-intentionally done is taken away the responsibility of parents to teach children about managing money

if there were no social security parents would teach children generationally thru generation about money management, because the end game is clear, most folks don't think in long future terms, the same can be said for medicare, it takes away responsibility of the individual thus they are deprived of the opportunity to learn and grow, again generationally

yet, this stuff happens over and over and over and over

debat as an expert? ehhhhhhhhhh, I just have a personal philosophy of Base your Decision on Facts, not opinions, opinions are the lowest form of information with the highest probability for failure.

Thus, if i'm discussing something, I've got some factual knowlege, either personally or researched.

I will say one thing, and this is opinion, I'm extremely suspicious of saying folks intentions are evil or bad, in general that is not how people think, or are aligned with their beliefs.

I never thought George Bush was evil or had bad intentions, imho, he happens to be a rare personality type, a black and white thinker, good or bad, either or, I will never forget his speech, the first one where he announced after 9-11 The War on Terror. I was in a bar with a few hundred people, and all of them were watching, and I turned to my friends and said, "these people have no idea. He's serious, we are at war, real war, this will last 15-20 years."

And hear we are ten years later, still in the thick of it.

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oh, my other complaint, welfare................in theory a good program

yet, in reality a farce

Before welfare there was a social responsibility too friends and family who helped you out in tough times, they were you're safety net. And for the most part they were in the struggle with you and helped you best they could, yet, you had immediate consequences for bad behavior.

Take away that social pressure, and send someone a check in the mail, and you create generations of dependents who feel no responsibility too anyone.

So, a program thats intent was too help, hurts folks generationally.

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oh, my other complaint, welfare................in theory a good program

yet, in reality a farce

Before welfare there was a social responsibility too friends and family who helped you out in tough times, they were you're safety net. And for the most part they were in the struggle with you and helped you best they could, yet, you had immediate consequences for bad behavior.

Take away that social pressure, and send someone a check in the mail, and you create generations of dependents who feel no responsibility too anyone.

So, a program thats intent was too help, hurts folks generationally.

I agree that all of the programs you listed are making people worse off. Yet, I do not think the intentions were always good. I believe there has always been a plan at play by the progressives of this country, and that plan is to get as many people relying on the government as they can in an effort to destroy capitalism in return for socialism. I believe in the conspiracy about collectivists and their hope for a new world order. I have done extensive research in that area and have found overwhelming facts that lead me to believe it is obvious. Read cloward and piven at http://cloward-piven.com/
and you can grasp just one aspect of their plan. Yes, whether you believe it or not, there are people who are evil. I suppose you can call it whatever you choose but evil sounds good to me. Anyone who is willing to take the rights of all for the well being of a few is downright evil in my view.

I will end this with a quote:

“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
- J Edgar Hoover

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i'll check it out js

i don't disagree with evil, just that if you call everything evil, when you actually come up against it, you miss it

i will not say that it is not true, just a gut instinct would say, instead of one ****** you have 7,000, ahhhhhhhhhhh

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well, what can I say, smart guys who sound like bankers to me, they worked within the system, per the article, and gamed it one could say

that some people have different governmental views and work towards them, well, that's a constant in life

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Are you sure you read that Trip? How could you not find that evil? Their plan was to bankrupt the United States by getting as many people on welfare as eligible. Then, after the fall of the country the government would have to take strict control and rule in a communist or socialist manner. So there is no evil in that??????????

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because I read one article on one event, that means I know about as much knowledge on the subject as a flea

i really have no interest in knowing more about the subject because it is a story that has been told a thousand times

i'm not going to rely on one article to discern the value of a few peoples lives, and what they were or were not trying to do

base your decisions on facts not opinions opinions are the lowest form of knowledge with the highest probability for failure, that's how I view it, so analyzing it, I read an article, what do I have at this point..............are these facts, is the story really real, are there such persons..........probably, yet, i just have no desire to know more about it, i don't see that as bad or good, just what is

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because I read one article on one event, that means I know about as much knowledge on the subject as a flea

i really have no interest in knowing more about the subject because it is a story that has been told a thousand times

i'm not going to rely on one article to discern the value of a few peoples lives, and what they were or were not trying to do

base your decisions on facts not opinions opinions are the lowest form of knowledge with the highest probability for failure, that's how I view it, so analyzing it, I read an article, what do I have at this point..............are these facts, is the story really real, are there such persons..........probably, yet, i just have no desire to know more about it, i don't see that as bad or good, just what is

You are correct and I agree with you that opinions don't amount to much. However, the Cloward and Piven strategy is a true story, see wikipedia here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward...Piven_strategy which references all of its sources at the bottom. Today we have Acorn which seems to have taken charge with a similar objective.

When I refer to something like that I have done my research it. I am not a fan of spreading loose based articles around, unless it seems to be a valuable opinion from a reputable respected source. As of lately, my brother and I have been studying unions dating back to the 1800s. I have also written about it on my blog, but not before I thoroughly researched the history of unions and specific union organizations.