Medical Marijuana busting out all over

[badasz32]

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native americans chew the coca leaves straight from the plant. its a stimulant. and who is to decide what drugs are hard and soft... come on dude ur using stoner logic. so maybe to me hard drugs are meth. so i can snort an 8 ball every night and roll my balls off on x. but i want do meth cause its a hard.. or harder drug. your right manufacturing is in the process to get coke and heroin. but im sure every crack head says crack should be legal.

all of us here may or may not be doing illegal substances so its not like im a hardcore conservative. while we are at it make test legal and prostitution.

there are just too many implications for legalizing pot. its called cultural lag. when something new comes out and laws have to made... ie... there were no seatbelts laws before the production of the automobile. i think opening up this can of worms is more trouble then its worth for the nation. but i might eventually eat my own words. i mean i never thought that smoking would get banned in public place... and uncle sam makes of ton off that.

[Dzone]

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There are definitely varying degrees of morbidity and risk associated with certain substances. Some drugs are far worse than others. Some drugs kill a lot faster. Some drugs destroy lives much quicker.

[a-bomb83]

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i think what stout is saying is simply this...no one has ever died from marijuana. it takes upwards to 50lbs to overdose, and you'll pass out by the time you get to a half pound. many, MANY people have od'd on meth, coke, heroin, and almost anything manufactured in lab or lab like setting. now, if you were on some crazy sh it, i'm sure you felt like you were gonna die,lol, but no one has.

[Stout1]

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native americans chew the coca leaves straight from the plant. its a stimulant. and who is to decide what drugs are hard and soft... come on dude ur using stoner logic. so maybe to me hard drugs are meth. so i can snort an 8 ball every night and roll my balls off on x. but i want do meth cause its a hard.. or harder drug. your right manufacturing is in the process to get coke and heroin. but im sure every crack head says crack should be legal.

Yes the cocoa leaves are a stimulant but the leaves do not equal cocaine...two TOTALLY different things. Hell caffeine is a stimulant too so by your analogy they are all the same thing.

Who is to decide? Well its obvious that there are drugs out there that are worse than others. How can you even lump marijuana in with coke, heroine, meth and x? You still haven't answered that. The only correlation they have is they are illegal....after that they have NO comparisons.

Me personally I would say coke, heroin, meth and X are all HARD drugs. There is a difference.

I would even say that alcohol is a HARDER drug than pot!

all of us here may or may not be doing illegal substances so its not like im a hardcore conservative. while we are at it make test legal and prostitution.

there are just too many implications for legalizing pot. its called cultural lag. when something new comes out and laws have to made... ie... there were no seatbelts laws before the production of the automobile. i think opening up this can of worms is more trouble then its worth for the nation. but i might eventually eat my own words. i mean i never thought that smoking would get banned in public place... and uncle sam makes of ton off that.

What implications are there for legalizing pot?

[horsepwr]

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This state passed a legal mmj law and along with the obama admin saying no more federal prosecution for MMJ has turned this state into POT CENTRAL..EVERYBODY is out faking aches and pains so they can avoid going to jail for pot. Dispenseries are busting out all over the place. Some are bringing in $10,000 a day. This is going to lead to more and more legalization for pot, imo. What is happening in your neck of the woods?

not much different in my neck of the woods, but a few years ago, it would be said that marijuana would never be legalized. Now, thank goodness, it's looking like that could change.

I'm not a burner Those days are long gone. Not because I have anything against weed. It just gets me all twisted up now-days. strong chit deez dayz!

but, it is lookin like knowledge is gaining ground. The pros far, far outweigh the cons with marijuana. Make a list. It's easy. Take a sheet of paper. Grab a pen, and at the top, write "pros" on one side. Split the page down the middle with a vertical line, and write "cons" on the other side. And the fun part. Get out your encyclopaedeas, internet, books, clinical reoprts, and start jotting 'em down. See how far you get past "illegal" on the "cons".

Here. I'll help get the pros started.
-Helps your eyes.(the reason your eyes get blood-shot is the greatly increased blood-flow to the eyes. Blood supplies nutients)
-Helps your cardio sytem by cleaning your arteries.<--big one there
-Natural pacification of virtually countless physical and mental ailments.(I'm not even about to start listing the remedies...long list)
Marijuana does these things without negative sides. No liver stress. No brain cell damage. No physical dependancy like you get with 99 out-of-a-100 script meds.

well...you'd think I walk around with a pot leaf shirt. I just realized, as much as I don't like to get stoned anymore, I'm still the pot advocate. Then again, marijuana is the constant.

[daved150]

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yea...its not easy here to get a licence to grow...you still cant have a "store" or a dispesory....you can grow 6plants per "client" you sign up to grow for. you can only have x amount of clients. you can only grow for them and sell to them. i think you can have 20clients or something...its not something you can make a living at, but maybe side money. also, to get the licence you have to sign up some patiants first...its screwy.

[straydoglogic]

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a natural plant... so then its cool to rip rails from the coca plant and shoot heroin from the poppy plant...they are both from natural plants numb nuts.

I dont have anything against smoking, its just not my thing never has been. I agree there are some benefits from pot use. but u could find the gold lining in any shit cloud. like eating shrooms and having a spiritual experience. I agree the war on drugs in bullshit. but we simply cant legalize every single persons drug of choice. "meth helps me at work cause i can stay up for 87 hours and never eat" there has to be a line somewhere.

The difference between the coca plant and the poppy plant compared to herb is that you have to alter or manipulate the first 2 to get use from them.
I have to respectfully disagree with you about the legalization or decriminalization of drugs on the grounds that all you will do by decriminalizing them is save millions of dollars, and clear up the jails of non violent offenders who are serving time for a bag of weed.
You're not going to see an influx of users if you legalize, it's going to generally be the same people using the same drugs, just not burdening the tax payers with it.
And if you were to legalize as opposed to decriminalizing you could get a huge amount of money from tax revenue. Not to mention, who's to say what you can and cannot put into your own body. Alcohol and tobacco are far more dangerous than a lot of drugs used today, yet they are legal. I speak from experience by the way, not just as an observer. I've used pretty much every drug out there aside from heroin, and I'm fine.(I think)
But by making drugs illegal all you're doing is costing us millions of dollars if not more, and not stopping people from using the drugs, in fact, by criminalizing them you are making them more dangerous, because there are no safeguards in place. Just my opinion on the matter.

[Dzone]

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seems perfectly acceptable for people to be strung out on Percocet for years and years or ruin themselves with Ibuprofen or alcohol...but as soon as someone mentions marijuana, people get all self righteous...even somone who goes to the bar or drinks a six pack of coors light, might think pot smokers are unchristian or something.

[badasz32]

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Im just playing devils advocate. I really dont have a problem with any drug or users. I dont drink anymore and never smoked. I have been drug free since 2006 (besides aas) and im not justifying that either. I do agree it will end the war on drugs and save millions in tax payers dollars. but no one is going to jail for a little pot.

[FUZO]

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Then cops will sit around the corner and wait until the smoker gets into his or her car and then when they drive off the cop will bust them being on the infuence of pot.Your high so now your gonna get a dui or dwi or what ever you call it in your state. Big deal your going to have a card to smoke doesnt give you the right to drive while high. This is a bad idea and it will change as soon as this scum bag president is out of office and we have a republican running the country. I dont beleive you should legalize pot its a drug and you can get addicted from it and it alters your mood and your senses and makes you slower.

[straydoglogic]

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I dont beleive you should legalize pot its a drug and you can get addicted from it and it alters your mood and your senses and makes you slower.

So what about aas? And people get addicted to alcohol and smokes, and they alter your mood and senses. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we've been systematically conditioned over a few generations to see some substances in a different light. We're a Prozac nation, and there is a pill for nearly everything that ails ya, and people are ok with that. Some argue that it's because it's prescribed and controlled by a doctor, so we can do the same with other drugs. Herb has many medicinal uses and very few negative or harmful effects. Not to mention hemp is one of the most versatile products on the planet, yet it can't be grown but only by few people. And coca was used in soda and as a numbing agent for dentists before Novocain. It was also used in embalming. I've never heard any decent argument to oppose the legalization for drugs. Fuzo, your statement that cops will just sit and watch someone smoke and then drive and bust them for dui doesn't work for two reasons. One because that entrapment, and two because by logic of your argument, they could very well do the same thing with alcohol. Wait for you to leave the bar and pull you over. So addiction, safety, or any other argument really doesn't work. People get addicted to scrip drugs every day. We've been hardwired as a society to think that certain drugs are evil. Look at places that have either decriminalized or legalized weed. They don't have a rise in crime, or death, or violence, quite the opposite. Look at the case of alcohol in America. We glorify it and don't allow kids to drink until their 21, so they think it's so cool to drink as a teen, and rebellious. The kids over here in Europe have a glass of wine when their twelve and grow up looking at alcohol as no big deal. They rarely even get drunk when they're old enough to drink. Why? Because the mystique is gone. It's not rebellious or cool, it's no big deal. The people here in Europe see Americans getting drunk and think they're stupid. And it has everything to do with how we're raised to view and portray drugs. If it wasn't so mysterious and taboo, people wouldn't be as likely to partake in it.

[horsepwr]

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Then cops will sit around the corner and wait until the smoker gets into his or her car and then when they drive off the cop will bust them being on the infuence of pot.Your high so now your gonna get a dui or dwi or what ever you call it in your state. Big deal your going to have a card to smoke doesnt give you the right to drive while high. This is a bad idea and it will change as soon as this scum bag president is out of office and we have a republican running the country. I dont beleive you should legalize pot its a drug and you can get addicted from it and it alters your mood and your senses and makes you slower.

I watched a program about marijuana where more than half the users tested better on the driving range after useing. The title was something like "I drive better when I'm stoned." ya know that ole cliche. It was prooven true for pot.
Now think about all those people out there on the road that are operating vehicles with a combination of strong prescription meds. e.g. xanax, vicodin, lortab, oxycontin, percocet, valium, klonopin, methadone, etc, etc, etc...These medications can alter some people's motor skills. Some of these meds, especially mixed, could possibly knock someone out without warning. Just nod right off. There is a warning about operating heavy machinery or automobiles on the bottle, sometimes. The warning is something like...ah, I just checked a bottle I have. It simply says, "Use care when operating a vehicle." There, all better, huh.

I've seen the effects of pot in a controlled test compared to the effects of a .08 blood alcohol level. .08 is legal. I'd much rather someone be on the street while high on pot than with their little 3-4 drink buzz.

A step further. I've almost been ran over, and off the road, while on my bike, by people yackin on their phone.(a few times) Never by someone turning a beer up. I'd rather pass someone sipping a beer than with a phone glued to the side of their face.

[Dzone]

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^The posts on this thread are excellent so far. Thanks for contributing. We have more intelligent discussions about issues on this board than we would anywhere else.