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buying computers? let's see, ordering from let's say dell, dell needs people to put these together no? jobs. After they are shipped, who's going to install them? more jobs. Who's going to support these PCs? more jobs
there's 3 tiers for you
you don't see how grants for women violence will create counseling jobs nationwide? Are YOU high?
at least we agree on expanding unemployment.
If you think Dell assembles computers in America I believe you're wrong so that money is going DIRECTLY out of this country.
Tech Support for Dell...India. So that's good for our economy.
Installation..okay one minute thing that involves less than a 1/4 days of work...great thing to introduce into a STIMULUS bill.
So far Dell doesn't build computers, doesn't have support in the US, nor does installion really warrant the need of this. Therefore this is quashed. Case closed.
I'm all for victim's rights but your being bamboozled. They are using your "kind" heart to do your thinking. I mean who is going to turn down victim's rights....this is MORE wasteful spending and not anything that is going to stimulate our economy. Maybe if domestic violence goes up 500% becasue everyone is broke this might maybe make like .000002% of a differnce but this is another mute point. Case closed.
No, I'm not high. At least not yet.
Thomas Jefferson - "When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
wait, we agree now? you see the double standard now? I'm glad you do
No, I was against Bush's spending and I'm against Obama's spending. Two wrongs don't make a right or is it b/c "your guy" is in power it's okay now? I mean you were against Bush's policies but now your backign Obama's which are basically the same thing so who really is the sucker?
Thomas Jefferson - "When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
If all these things are so great for the economy and you are 100% sure that this will stimulate the economy and little alse can. Why not times those number by 10? Then we would REALLY stimulate the economy. As a matter of fact, lets double the total budget for the year and enjoy unbelievable prosperity! Fit2bLarge, please name one society EVER to exist on this planet that has taxed and spent itself into prosperity?
So let makes sure I'm clear on this. Republicans are suggesting NO stimulus plan, none? Let's just let it ride and see what happens? Again, I hear whining and complaining, yet I hear no solid ideas or proposals on how to get things back.
So what do you propose? What is your party proposing? Regardless of what we do, we need to spend money, no?
Isnt $400 million going towards preventing STDs? Yea right. Thats going to stimulate the economy...NOT!!!...wtf are these doofuses thinking? Pelosi said if this porkulence package
doesnt pass, 500 Million Americans will be out of work...
So let makes sure I'm clear on this. Republicans are suggesting NO stimulus plan, none? Let's just let it ride and see what happens? Again, I hear whining and complaining, yet I hear no solid ideas or proposals on how to get things back.
So what do you propose? What is your party proposing? Regardless of what we do, we need to spend money, no?
Yeah, just SPENDING money on anything that will fix this.
If you think Dell assembles computers in America I believe you're wrong so that money is going DIRECTLY out of this country.
Tech Support for Dell...India. So that's good for our economy.
Installation..okay one minute thing that involves less than a 1/4 days of work...great thing to introduce into a STIMULUS bill.
So far Dell doesn't build computers, doesn't have support in the US, nor does installion really warrant the need of this. Therefore this is quashed. Case closed.
I'm all for victim's rights but your being bamboozled. They are using your "kind" heart to do your thinking. I mean who is going to turn down victim's rights....this is MORE wasteful spending and not anything that is going to stimulate our economy. Maybe if domestic violence goes up 500% becasue everyone is broke this might maybe make like .000002% of a differnce but this is another mute point. Case closed.
No, I'm not high. At least not yet.
WRONG! Dell has manufacturing of PC in North Carolina. Look it up, I won't do your homework. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I've been in IT for 15 years, I know better.
I agree, your assessment on grants for women violence bring up many moot points.
Stout, aren't you a recovered junkie? You didn't take any counseling? It boggles me that you don't see the benefits in counseling and prevention, and how many lives will be improved and how many jobs will be created.
Stout, aren't you a recovered junkie? You didn't take any counseling? It boggles me that you don't see the benefits in counseling and prevention, and how many lives will be improved and how many jobs will be created.
Junkie would be a bad word to use...addict would be better
But yes it's great, but WHY is it in a STIMULUS bill?
Thomas Jefferson - "When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
The government wouldn't be able to spend at least one-fourth of a proposed $825 billion economic stimulus plan until after 2010, according to a preliminary report by the Congressional Business Office that suggests it may take longer than expected to boost the economy. The government would spend about $26 billion of the money this year and $110 billion more next year, the report said. About $103 billion would be spent in 2011, while $53 billion would be spent in 2012 and $63 billion between 2013 and 2019.
Thomas Jefferson - "When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
BI-PARTISAN GROUP admits Obama stimulus package more harm then good.
President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday
CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing. (emphasis mine)
CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.
The budget office had previously estimated service the debt due to the new spending could add hundreds of millions of dollars to the cost of the bill -- forcing the crowd-out.
CBOs basic assumption is that, in the long run, each dollar of additional debt crowds out about a third of a dollars worth of private domestic capital, CBO said in its letter.
CBO said there is no crowding out in the short term, so the plan would succeed in boosting growth in 2009 and 2010.
The agency projected the Senate bill would produce between 1.4 percent and 4.1 percent higher growth in 2009 than if there was no action. For 2010, the plan would boost growth by 1.2 percent to 3.6 percent.
CBO did project the bill would create jobs, though by 2011 the effects would be minuscule.”
Also, here is a list of some of the items in the bill, proving once again the government in action is not for the squeamish.
Keep in mind, of course, the goal of the bill is to essentially create jobs. How all of these fit in is something of a mystery to me.
They are:
400 million for global-warming research
$6.2 billion for the Weatherization Assistance Program
$3.5 billion for energy-efficiency and conservation block grants
$3.4 billion for the State Energy Program
$300 million for energy-efficient-appliance rebate programs
$400 million for hybrid cars for state and local governments
$2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
$300 million for grants to combat violence against women
$2 billion for federal child-care block grants
$6 billion for university building projects
$15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
$4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion for “youths” up to the age of 24
$1 billion for community-development block grants
$4.2 million for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
$650 million for digital-TV coupons
$90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”.
$150 million for the Smithsonian
$34 million to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
$500 million for improvement projects for National Institutes of Health facilities
$44 million for repairs to Department of Agriculture headquarters
$350 million for Agriculture Department computers
$88 million to help move the Public Health Service into a new building
$448 million for constructing a new Homeland Security Department headquarters
$600 million to convert the federal auto fleet to hybrids
$450 million for NASA (carve-out for “climate-research missions”)
$600 million for NOAA (carve-out for “climate modeling”)
$1 billion for the Census Bureau
$4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
$850 million for Amtrak
$87 million for a polar icebreaking ship
$1.7 billion for the National Park System
$55 million for Historic Preservation Fund
$7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”
$150 million for agricultural-commodity purchases
$150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”
$79 billion for State Fiscal Stabilization Fund
Oink…Oink….Oink.
Now is this really the best we can do? In my mind, it is just another argument for term limits.
However, I won’t hold my breath on that one either.
So let makes sure I'm clear on this. Republicans are suggesting NO stimulus plan, none? Let's just let it ride and see what happens? Again, I hear whining and complaining, yet I hear no solid ideas or proposals on how to get things back.
So what do you propose? What is your party proposing? Regardless of what we do, we need to spend money, no?
like you told stout do your own home work about what the republicans are doing.there wanting to cut out all the junk that is not needed from your liberal party nancy ***** pelosi is doing along with reid and fagoma.proof is in the peole who are now not supporting the stimulis bill that your fag president came up with. those are facts from gallup,rasmussen polls. all the fuking crying right now is from gayobama and pelosi. you as a liberal again cant admit that but you want to cry about the republicans not doing anything. good I hope if the bill dosnt change 1 bit the republicans vote it down and it will fail the people.more debt for our children and the dems-liberal part will be at fault. 3 weeks on the job and he has had a bunch of screw ups already/ biggest stimulis in history and its junk
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