Liberal Kool Aid

[trip]

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man, russia had 10,000 of em for 20 years

i don't understand u klash, that's just like saying, an asshole can't have a gun


right now we have 12 countries with wmd's


now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-war, i'm just very much like colin powell, the last final straw

going back to regan, he bankrupted them, russia get's in a pcikle war, we fund the afgans, and reagan gets saudi to lower price of oil to ten bucks when it is 20, and walla, russia has zero income cause they were the 5th largest oil seller

oh and it is not our job to force our value system on either other countries or invdividuals, that denies others freedom of choice

it is our job too lead by example, to show, too talk, too discuss and invite, not force

does force work with your family

[Klash]

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man, russia had 10,000 of em for 20 years

i don't understand u klash, that's just like saying, an asshole can't have a gun


right now we have 12 countries with wmd's


now, don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-war, i'm just very much like colin powell, the last final straw

going back to regan, he bankrupted them, russia get's in a pcikle war, we fund the afgans, and reagan gets saudi to lower price of oil to ten bucks when it is 20, and walla, russia has zero income cause they were the 5th largest oil seller

oh and it is not our job to force our value system on either other countries or invdividuals, that denies others freedom of choice

it is our job too lead by example, to show, too talk, too discuss and invite, not force

does force work with your family

Nah an asshole can have a gun and if he goes on tv telling people he's going to kill a friend of mine that I value - I will arm myself and my friend and will help my friend kill him at the sign of any attack.

Now when you take this to the next level and your talking about weapons of mass destruction. It changes the dynamics of the equation a little. If a dictator who has no respect for human rights, encourages attacks on societies that do and threatens to use or has used WMD's. Then you do not let them have the chance to use them or use them again. You attack them.

I would not have a policy of forcing my value system on people but I would be highly aware of people who did not share my values of human life and I would take their words seriously and if they were a threat to my life and my values - I'd neutralize them.

...but your on to something, our world is essentially in a war between ideologies and people will learn to accept the ideas of freedom or war will be inevitable until they are those who oppose freedom are eliminated or enlightened.

[trip]

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ahhhhhh, now we agree

captilism, ie, freedom will eventually be the norm, it's only a 300 yr old idea

i've posted this before

if you look at dictators, they see people as human capital, the way too exploit it is too control it

with freedom capital is idea's, machines, assets, that last and work ten times better than the operator

terrorits want folks to follow there value system which is follow are rules and you are inferior and we exploit u

with freedom we have equal opportunity explotation, all aboard


folks threaten crap all the time, countries are just people, people say, i'm going too kill you, which fwiw, has happened too me, which when it does you read em the riot act, and keep watch and ready


oh, which goes back to one of my issues, lol, bin laden wrote us a letter in 97 declaring war on us, and wtf did we do, watched em, ala clinton, total idiocy

and when bush came in the cia'r's brought this up too him, and he totally ignored it for 9 months

[trip]

Re: Liberal Kool Aid

oh, on war, i'm not against it at all

another of my issues

historically, factually, there has been a major war every ten years forever

what does billy boy do, started by bush one, well we get a peace dividend and they start dismantiling the military in '89, they closed bases and discharged tens of thousands of officers, and put little emphasis on recruiting

i guess they knew we'd never have another war

idiocy, again, arghhhhhhhhhhh

it's just you hope the government would be smarter than all this stuff

[Klash]

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ahhhhhh, now we agree

captilism, ie, freedom will eventually be the norm, it's only a 300 yr old idea

I agree with that. Capitalism and atheism will be the norm eventually, I'd just rather it be sooner than later.

[daved150]

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I agree with that. Capitalism and atheism will be the norm eventually, I'd just rather it be sooner than later.

...lol. stop it!! your putting words in his mouth you tricky fuk!! just cus you got's a free pass dont go abusing it, lol

[Klash]

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^Why do you think Capitalism will be the norm eventually? It is the logical solution - same with atheism; you just don't want to see it yet but your descendants will deny faith. Man is a rational animal and he will eventually possess rational societies; I would say it is inevitable unless man becomes extinct.

[Klash]

Re: Liberal Kool Aid

[daved150]

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^Why do you think Capitalism will be the norm eventually? It is the logical solution - same with atheism; you just don't want to see it yet but your descendants will deny faith. Man is a rational animaland he will eventually possess rational societies; I would say it is inevitable unless man becomes extinct.

it's not the "logical solution"!!! what the hell does that even mean? that it's "logical" for me not to believe in g od? what so "logical" about that??!! i dont believe in wearing baseball hats sideways either, is that "logical"? i dont believe in whiping my ass with one ply, is that "logical"...wait....that one is. my point is faith in g od has nothing to do with logic. "man is rational"?..man is animal. man CLEARLY does not do everything logically!!! boy, you got some great hope for the leap we, as an animal, is gonna make in the future!! we're all gonna start being completly logical to the point where we loose all faith....(dosnt really sound like anything to be excited about, huh?)

[Klash]

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^ "Lose all faith" implies that faith is a needed attribute; we will eventually drop beliefs that require faith (irrational and dogmatic beliefs) because it is counter productive to happiness and success. Of course, neither one of us will see this society. What kind of deficits do you think societies built on logic would have? In other words, how would it not be exciting? ...or how would a world built around faith be better? [is a better question]


...and yes not believing in god is logical.
...and yes being logical is not automatic it is a choice but the more logical one is the happier and more successful one will be at his life.

[firstenrgy]

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

[trip]

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i'd like capitilism sooner

god and believe's, believes in general

that's fifty volume discussion, logic stuff makes the assumption that the mind is consistent similar, the mind is wired several thousand different ways, we have idiot savante's, idiots, genius's, physcotics, etc.

it's not a small world in the mind after all

[Klash]

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i'd like capitilism sooner

god and believe's, believes in general

that's fifty volume discussion, logic stuff makes the assumption that the mind is consistent similar, the mind is wired several thousand different ways, we have idiot savante's, idiots, genius's, physcotics, etc.

it's not a small world in the mind after all

Well, I'll summarize the fifty volumes.

I think the belief in god comes down to a few fundamental human desires:

survival being the biggest one. Humans are animals but we are rational. With

that ability to reason we understand that we will all, one day, die. It is a side

of affect of having intelligence. We avoid death with a passion but we know

that the death of our loved ones and our own death is inevitable. To deal

with this, humanity has created the afterlife. Where we can share eternal life

without the threat of death. There is a problem with this belief though, it

would offer evil people a pleasant eternity as well - so an unpleasant eternity

had to be created for those who did not deserve "life". A code of morals

would be needed and an all knowing judge - who better than the convenient

all-knowing-creator and at last bigotry was justified on the most fundamental

level of what your imaginary friend's name was.


Yeah, we've discussed this before trip; many of people's psychological problems can be contributed to a flaw (irrationally held premise) in their own philosophical beliefs.

People's minds do not have to be identical for society to hold reason as the standard in which each one of us lives. It's a given there will still be people that are mentally retarded. People will still have different talents, desires and paths in life but people will just acknowledge the superiority of reason.

[trip]

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agree on the god stuff


my take was a gazillion years ago, the powers that be used it too control the savages, and those beliefs have been passed down thru time, changed adopted etc.

also, between the ages of 1-10 the mind is like a computer and the code is written based on parents, evnironment, and countries beliefs, plus your own personal expereinces, combined with personal intelligence and personality

once the code is written it is hard as hell to re-write it, it's why they say folks never change

[daved150]

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wow...you analize shyt too much. i guess when you know something, you just KNOW! like i know i wouldnt like to piss into a strong wind...i dont have to do it or see it done, to know it'd suck...i just know g od's there...i aint gotta analize it..he just is.