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[daved150]

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good post strat...i see the logic in what you say and can see that theory being more of the reality than many others i've heard

[DJDIGGLER]

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Ok stratego, I apologize for lumping you with them. By what your previous posts incinuated, I was under the assumption that you were closed off to the idea that government could be involved in it.

You do understand and admit that our government has run operations under false flag before to sway public approval or opinion of military action right?

If so why is it so far fetched that like stouts link says, our government warned we would attack afghinstan before 9/11 even happened if the taliban wouldn't allow us to make a pipeline for oil?

And even more importantly why in 1999 did George Bush say that america needs another Pearl Harbor in order for public acceptance of the middle east? And also is it a coincidence that he now calls 9/11 the new pearl harbor?

That's just the tip of the coincidences.

[Klash]

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I still think Strateg0s' theory makes the most sense. Smart guy, that one. Maybe he should sit down write it up proper and get it published...

Extremely logical. I like it. We ought to e-mail your theory to a few news organizations that read email on air. Maybe Start a Strateg0 meme.

The problem with the conspiracy theorists is they have become a political movement that has lost sight of finding the truth and are now defining the truth out of frustration. When they should stick to the facts; they speak for themselves. Speculation is fun and is a helpful in finding the truth as long as it doesn't become dogmatic.

[Klash]

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Ok stratego, I apologize for lumping you with them. By what your previous posts incinuated, I was under the assumption that you were closed off to the idea that government could be involved in it.

You do understand and admit that our government has run operations under false flag before to sway public approval or opinion of military action right?

If so why is it so far fetched that like stouts link says, our government warned we would attack afghinstan before 9/11 even happened if the taliban wouldn't allow us to make a pipeline for oil?

And even more importantly why in 1999 did George Bush say that america needs another Pearl Harbor in order for public acceptance of the middle east? And also is it a coincidence that he now calls 9/11 the new pearl harbor?

That's just the tip of the coincidences.

I don't trust our government. I hate the idea of big government but I also recognize that our government is incompetent when it comes to anything but military might. Our senators leak confidential information all the time for political motives on issues that pale in comparison to 9/11. If Bush was involved in this, the only 50 people that like him had to be involved (little exaggeration) - I have not seen one person in his administration display that kind of loyalty. Not to mention all the skilled people that would be necessary for the government to pull this off. I believe it is impossible for a presidential administration to pull off something of this magnitude, with the amount of people that would be needed, without leaks.

I certainly believe it is possible that Bush premeditated a conflict in the middle east and he may have found something else if 9/11 didn't occur but it did and it helped justify any premeditated ideas, if he had them.

[daved150]

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I don't trust our government. I hate the idea of big government but I also recognize that our government is incompetent when it comes to anything but military might. Our senators leak confidential information all the time for political motives on issues that pale in comparison to 9/11. If Bush was involved in this, the only 50 people that like him had to be involved (little exaggeration) - I have not seen one person in his administration display that kind of loyalty. Not to mention all the skilled people that would be necessary for the government to pull this off. I believe it is impossible for a presidential administration to pull off something of this magnitude, with the amount of people that would be needed, without leaks.

I certainly believe it is possible that Bush premeditated a conflict in the middle east and he may have found something else if 9/11 didn't occur but it did and it helped justify any premeditated ideas, if he had them.

this has been my argument the whole time!! the people who point their fingers at how much of an idiot bush is (i agree) are also the ones saying that he could pull off something this big!! n fukin way! like i said before, you CANNOT keep that shyt quiet!

[DJDIGGLER]

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What about this? Nixon wasn't exactly clean, and he was only caught by default. With further investigations they found a multitude of illegal things he did.

With that said, bush made it so they are not allowed to investigate his administration, and they are not held liable for any wrongdoings they have done. Sounds a little obvious what's going on......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

Then you have the oil crisis. Sounds very similar to what's going on now. Cut production and raising the price to record levels so they in turn can bring in record profits (and record taxes). I bet our government hates all of that extra revenue.

And what about the link I provided a few posts ago about the house rep for Alaska that was taking bribes from the oil industry to vote in their best interest?

Here's a trip down memory lane. They say history repeats itself. Apparently people don't remember this part of history. Seems like we're being taken for a ride if you ask me. Or should I say not taken for a ride since with the way prices are going noone will be able to afford to drive pretty soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

[FUZO]

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DJ JUST BY READING ALL YOUR POSTS DUDE YOUR ARE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT IN POWER DEM OR REP. DUDE YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH ANYONE IN POWER.AND IF NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU THEN YOU KEEP GOING ON AND ON AND IT NEVER STOPS.UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE PRESIDENTS SHOES YOU-WE WILL NEVER EVER KNOW WHAT HAPPEN AND WHAT THE TRUTH IS . SEE I CAN LIVE WITH THAT AND MOVE ON.AS LONG AS I GET A PAY CHECK EVERY WEEK AND I FEED AND CLOTH MY FAMILY I'M FINE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE WHO EVER THE PHUK IS IN POWER.

[DJDIGGLER]

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DJ JUST BY READING ALL YOUR POSTS DUDE YOUR ARE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT IN POWER DEM OR REP. DUDE YOU WILL ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH ANYONE IN POWER.AND IF NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU THEN YOU KEEP GOING ON AND ON AND IT NEVER STOPS.UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE PRESIDENTS SHOES YOU-WE WILL NEVER EVER KNOW WHAT HAPPEN AND WHAT THE TRUTH IS . SEE I CAN LIVE WITH THAT AND MOVE ON.AS LONG AS I GET A PAY CHECK EVERY WEEK AND I FEED AND CLOTH MY FAMILY I'M FINE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE WHO EVER THE PHUK IS IN POWER.

Until we end up like they do in the book '1984'. Then life won't be so dandy!

It's not fighting for the present, as much as it's fighting for the future.

And your 1000% wrong about me not ever being happy with anyone. If Ron Paul got in office I'd be happy. I don't expect everyone to be perfect, because people do make mistakes. However when they are intentional mistakes to decieve and lie to those you are sworn to protect and represent, that is a whole different ballgame. Corruption is inexcusable!

Furthermore I'd be happy if we lived by the constitution. I don't see why that is such an unbelievable and unrealistic thing to ask for? I would like to live by the rules set by the people that founded this country, not live by the fake rules made by our present dictator leader that likes to corrupt and make a mockery of the rules set by our forefathers.

I am a true patriot. The day any person (that isn't flying under false flag) invades our land and homes, I'll be at the front lines ready to defend this land. I WILL NOT however give my life, so some scumbag can make record oil profits and corrupt our nation! I'll question my government when it gets out of line, and get as many people as I can to see the light. A true patriot doesn't fold under pressure, just because popular belief is easily swayed by the media.

So basically what I'm saying is just because my views aren't canned like the majority of americans that solely get their info from the media, doesn't mean my views are wrong, or unpatriotic.

And like I've said about 1000 times in this thread I've yet to see anyone that claims what I say is so far fetched disprove any of the links I've provided. I'm still waiting on that one, so then I can point them to government documents where they admit their own betrayal of their own people. Then I can sit back in bask in my so called "conspiracy theory" fantasyland.

[solidground]

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Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad



Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."
Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.

[DJDIGGLER]

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Even with that everyone will still just shrug their shoulders, and continue to come up with every excuse why it's not possible.

What are excuses a sign of ? DENIAL!

If God himself came down and said it was an inside job, the same people with the same canned propoganda would come out and say that god is a conspiracy theorist, or that he's simply nuts.

[Stout1]

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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

[mandarb11]

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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

Yes this is a well known idea the American government came up with, but you never hear the supportes of the current goverment acknowledge this, I guess once it is accepted that government has had such ideas in the past then it is not so improbable of future exploits.

[daved150]

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i dont have the time to read it all...but, do they explain WHY they didnt do it. i mean, sounds like a simple enough plan. i think it woulda worked. not like they had to worry about leaks to the media, via internet or anything...anyone catch why they didnt go through with it?

[mandarb11]

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i dont have the time to read it all...but, do they explain WHY they didnt do it. i mean, sounds like a simple enough plan. i think it woulda worked. not like they had to worry about leaks to the media, via internet or anything...anyone catch why they didnt go through with it?

It has been reported that John F. Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, but no official record of this exists. The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, but was not implemented. President Kennedy removed General Lyman Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shortly afterward, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963.
The continuing push against the Cuban government by internal elements of the U.S. military and intelligence community (the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Cuban Project, etc.) prompted President John F. Kennedy to attempt to rein in burgeoning hardline anti-Communist sentiment that was intent on proactive, aggressive action against communist movements around the globe. After the Bay of Pigs, John F. Kennedy fired then CIA director Allen W. Dulles, Deputy Director Charles P. Cabell, as well as Deputy Director Richard Bissell, and turned his attention towards Vietnam.

Kennedy also took steps to bring discipline to the CIA's Cold War and paramilitary operations by drafting a National Security Action Memorandum (NSAM) which called for the shift of Cold War operations to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon as well as a major change in the role of the CIA to exclusively deal in intelligence gathering.
On August 3, 2001, the National Assembly of People's Power of Cuba (the main legislative body of the Republic of Cuba) issued a statement referring to Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose wherein it condemned such U.S. government plans.






Basically Kennedy stopped it!

[DJDIGGLER]

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Basically Kennedy stopped it!

And then they stopped him!

Daved it didn't happen because not everyone in government is corrupt. 90% are, but the others like Ron Paul are not. So with that said, if the right person is in the seat of power, they keep those that are diabolical and evil from pulling their deeds.

Bush happened to be a bad person, so when the idea had been formulated, of course he was willing to go with it. I don't think we need to explain what they government gained from everything that happened. Look back, take a good hard look and you'll soon realize that our government lost nothing by 9/11 happening. The people however lost a great deal!