Confused about a couple things Biblical

[kite]

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lol

[daved150]

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[PL456]

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1. the Bible is the inspired word of God.
2. the Bible is infallible (see #1).
3. the "inconsistencies" you see are there because you are taking things out of context and/or have not studied the Bible and prayed for understanding and discernment. You need to study the Bible. Looking at quotes and verses individually is like learning calculus using one equation.
4. Those of you who have been "turned off" by "religion" are blind. Jesus says "let those with eyes see and those with ears hear." If you will not open your eyes and ears, you cannot hear.
5. it is true that sometimes people are irritated by what so-called religious people have said or done to them over the years, and sadly these people may turn away from religion. Remember, do not lump God in with what some deacon or fellow church member did or said to you. You turn away from God only to condemn yourself.
6. bottom line..hear is your take-home verse for the evening, kids...
"God is love". Wherever you see the word love in the Bible, replace it with God. Do you want true love in your life? If yes, then you want God. Read Corinthians 13 and replace "love" with "God"..thats what Im talking about.

I pray that you find your way and turn away from the ways of the world. Doing your own thing only leads one way. We cannot live without God's word and Jesus in our heart...period. I dont care how tough you think you are or how "pumped up" by all the gear you take. We are all one heartbeat away from meeting God face to face.

[Rolsroyce]

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Nice post, even though you are natty..LOL
good one PL456

[kite]

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Pl, I'm not talkin about inconsistancies, rather what is stated in the OT and one or two things that just seem strange in the NT. I do believe that the Bible is the inspired Word, just don't really understand the seemingly different sides to God.

[DragonRider]

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well god didnt write the books of the bible (if you believe in God).

I would have to respecfully disagree with that. It says somewhere inthe New Testament that each book was written by someone who was filled with the spirit. When Samson was filled with the spirit he killed
1000 men with the jawbone of a donkey. No man could do that. If the spirit of God helped men write it, then in essence God wrote it.

[DragonRider]

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A few other things are in Leviticus which I know Christians aren't bound by but it's still His word right? Things like it being perfectly fine to kill for adultery, disrespectful children etc... Also the fact that slavery and the murder of women and children in the places the Jews conquered is pretty odd to me as well.
Anyone got any answers to this?

It is absolutely not true that Christians aren't bound by the law. The New Testament says that Christ is the end of the law for rightiousness, for them that believe. That means that Christ is now the way of salvation as opposed to following the law to recieve salvation. That does not excuse us from being obedient to it for other reasons.

The killing of women and children was a ritual known as corban (I think, I'm not sure). Corban means dedicated to God. Some of the nations they were sent in to conquer were practicing homosexuality, witchcraft and the sacrificing of their children by fire. Killing the women and children guaranteed a spiritual cleansing of the land and prevented the Isrealites from being influenced to follow those practices from the survivors.

As far as killing for adultery, imagine if today we had a law that says if you find your husband or wife having sex with another person you were allowed to kill both of them where they were just as long as you notified the police immediately so they could make official record that they were obviously having an affair. How much adultery do you thingk we would have. The human race as a whole is stupid sometimes. Just like you have to punish a puppy who wets on the floor immediately so he associates the punishment with the pee and quits doing it, humans seem to think if they get away with something now, it must be okay to do it.

At the time these laws were handed down, God was trying to establish a holy people for himself that would be an example for other nations to watch and follow. A nation of priests, if you will. So, it was important that they did not commit the normal sins, such as adultery, that the other nations committed. So, they were handed these very strict guideleines to help them know how to be what God wanted them to be.
God really has a very simple and logical reason for everything. He never intended to be a cosmic kill joy.

[DragonRider]

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just don't really understand the seemingly different sides to God.

Each of these sides really demonstrates the different aspects of God's persona. God the creator. God the holy judge. God the forgiving father.
Have you ever heard anyone say God is love?
No he isn't.
God loves, but that is only something he does not something he is.

My point is that you don't really know God or love God unless you accept all of the sides of God. If you worship a God you believe is love, then you aren't worshipping the God taught in the bible.

You will even hear some people say that God the father in the old testament is a judgemental God while the Jesus taught in the New Testament is a peace loving God.
How many times in the New Testament does Jesus say, "I and the Father are one"? That not only identifies Jesus as deity, but points out that he and the Father are in total 100% agreement with everything that has ever been done. In other words Jesus agreed with corban.

People mistakenly believe that Jesus ministry is peace because he did not overthrow the government when he came, because that's what they thought that he was going to do. Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Jesus painstaking made a whip that he used to beat the crap out of merchants who were selling stuff in the temple. They also overlook the fact that upon his return he comes as "the commander of the armies of the Lord."
His next coming is not going to be so nicety nice.

[DragonRider]

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The old testament god wouldn't have gave two $hits about saving people - he slaughtered the innocent, the elderly, the women, the children and the babies at Jericho. His angel killed innocent children at the passover. The old testament is filled with unfitting punishments to those who inherited sin.

First, it is the old testament God who came up with the plan of salvation.

Second, no one is innocent. These children would have been forever seperated from God by being brought up in a society where the Pharoh was worshipped. Jericho was one of the cities worshipping Molech. They were sacrificing their children in fire to appease Molech and God judged them through Isreal for it.

[solidground]

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First, it is the old testament God who came up with the plan of salvation.

Second, no one is innocent. These children would have been forever seperated from God by being brought up in a society where the Pharoh was worshipped. Jericho was one of the cities worshipping Molech. They were sacrificing their children in fire to appease Molech and God judged them through Isreal for it.

kind of off topic but molech is an owl god right?? From what i know of "him" He's still worshipped today by people in our gov't (@ bohemian grove)..Even on the dollar bill...look at the upper right corner of the dollar bill next to the leaf, outside the upper left corner of the one..sorry to break up the thread..I just thought Molech was worshipped by cults and druids, also freemasons way back..If you know,can you elaberate on these people in Jericho, what religion did they follow?

[Klash]

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First, it is the old testament God who came up with the plan of salvation.

Second, no one is innocent. These children would have been forever seperated from God by being brought up in a society where the Pharoh was worshipped. Jericho was one of the cities worshipping Molech. They were sacrificing their children in fire to appease Molech and God judged them through Isreal for it.

So Yhwh was angered because the Jerichoeans were sacrificing their children to Molech.
Obviously it wasn't the killing of innocent children that bothered him, it was the motivation behind it, because he turned around and did the same thing, though his people's army.
Yhwh condones killing innocent children as long as the parents are worshiping another god. Sounds similar to Jihad!

[MAK2102]

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Athiest

[PL456]

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God doesnt make mistakes, if you are confused, it is because you are not studying enough. Read it again. Pray throughout the day, look for God in your life, ask Him to come into your life. You have to study the Bible. Dont look to other people for instruction, dont trust people and their opinions, look to God, who wrote the instruction manual for life. Do you believe that the Bible is the instruction manual for your life? If you do not, or question this, therein lies the root of your problem. Look at what the peoples in the stories were doing, God's response and message.

[Stout1]

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God doesnt make mistakes, if you are confused, it is because you are not studying enough. Read it again. Pray throughout the day, look for God in your life, ask Him to come into your life. You have to study the Bible. Dont look to other people for instruction, dont trust people and their opinions, look to God, who wrote the instruction manual for life. Do you believe that the Bible is the instruction manual for your life? If you do not, or question this, therein lies the root of your problem. Look at what the peoples in the stories were doing, God's response and message.

If your talking about Christianity, which I assume, you should of course know God did not write the Bible, or at least last I checked.

God wrote the instruction manual for life??? To my knowledge there hasn't been a "God" of any religion to pass down their "official word" officially by themself. It's all been translated and corresponded thru every day people like you and I that wrote of God's ways, teachings, and way to live life.

Peter, Paul, the rest of the disciples, etc and so on wrote of God's word, will, wants, etc.

Then to further couple the problem the Catholic Church has altered, to their own benefit, what the Bible says. Years ago they held meetings to say what did or didn't go in the Bible.

[kite]

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DragonRider, I see what you're sayin and I appreciate your posts, but I think you're wong on a couple of points. One, we aren't bound by the old Jewish law anymore as Christians, at least not the majority of them. I know the Jesus said "I am not here to abolish the law but to fulfill it" (I'm not dead on with that quote but close, lol) which says to me we are no longer bound by it. Two, I don't know that I agree with accepting all sides of God's persona. The reason being if any of the sides are contradictory, and God is perfect then what does that leave us?
You are right about Jesus not being all about peace, he said it himself that he was not here to bring peace, but division.