sum this up for me what did bush do?

[Evil Ryu]

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[QUOTE=DJDIGGLER]Yeah but faith to you could be different to the next guy. What's warm to you might be cold to me. What's pretty to you might be ugly as sin to me. See where I'm going with this.

If your truly Christian than you would know that god will always forgive you for your sins as long as you mean it.

That is true, but the point is that if you are a true Christian you should want to follow the word of God/ bible.

[T-Man007]

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In regards to the Christianity topic, Tman is absolutely right. First of all you either have faith or you don't, PERIOD. But it's not just that. You also have to live your life the way Jesus wants you to live, like a true Christian. You can't just simply say I have faith, but then question the bible. That is why I and others that don't live like a true Christian will never make it to heaven. Not because I don't have faith, because I most certainly do, but because I am not living like a true Christian. See the problem is that those that question the bible usually 1. don't have true faith , 2. did not understand the bible or 3. just like to argue and question everything. I am still trying to learn and comprehend what it really means to be a true Christian. For example here is what I learned at work recently from a fellow Christian and I think Tman will be able to confirm this. Did you know that you are supposed to give 10% of your income to your church, assuming you go? At first my response was, what if I have a lot of bills? Then I realized that those bills came from wanting unneccesary material things like a fancy car ,clothes, etc. So in reality I do have enough to give. Even if 10% of what you have i
is only 2 dollars a month. But the whole point is that you should want to follow his word. You don't have to because God gave man free will, meaning there is no fate. so........ DJ your opinions on on any subject are well respected by me, even if I don't agree. That is why I won't comment on them and argue with you. But Christianity, like Tman said, has no gray areas..... You have faith or you don't.

Yes, you are correct on the tithing. It comes from a story about some farmers and God specifically tells them that 10% of what they get from their harvest goes to the church. So, in todays times, 10% of your gross income goes. My CPA tells me I'm crazy because I give 10% of my company's gross. But, I fell that God has blessed me with a great job and I know the church will do better things with that 10% than I would. So, I give it without regret. I don't even miss it. Besides, it's better to be obedient than to be selfish.

On another note, you are wrong about the not going to heaven thing bro! If you truely believe that Jesus was the son of God then you have righteousness. Period. The second chapter of Romans clearly explains it. No one is going to live a perfect life, no one except Jesus. As mere men we can only hope to do the best we can. But, we do not get into heaven by our actions, we get in by our complete faith. Out actions are the result of us receiving the holy spirit. You will sin, we all do, but if you repent your sins then you will be forgiven and you will still go to heaven. The Bible says, well actually, Jesus was quoted saying 'you only need faith the size of a mustard seed'. But, it had to be compelte faith, not faith in what you want to believe. That's not faith at all.

A true believer will do his best to please God and the closer you get to God the more he will convict you of the things you do wrong. That conviction will give you the strength to fight those sins. I used to have bad problems with partying. I used to drink way to much, do rec drugs and sleep with as many woman as I could. The difference was, I hated it! I felt like crap spiritually for doing it, but that's all I knew. As I got closer to God, he put people in my life who had went through what I went through. He put people in my life to let me see that I can do things differently adn that I have a choice. I have the choice not to sin. I still screw up, LOL! But so does every authentic Christian I know. The closer you get to God the more the devil will tempt you. You win some, you lose some. You repent when you lose and you thank God when you win. As long as you believe and you have the fruit of the spirit (kindness, honesty, and all those other things in that list) you will be right there at the foot of God when your day comes. I promise you! the only way you wont go is if you let sin be your master or you deny the holy spirit.

[T-Man007]

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[QUOTE=Evil Ryu]

Yeah but faith to you could be different to the next guy. What's warm to you might be cold to me. What's pretty to you might be ugly as sin to me. See where I'm going with this.

If your truly Christian than you would know that god will always forgive you for your sins as long as you mean it.

That is true, but the point is that if you are a true Christian you should want to follow the word of God/ bible.

Exactly! There is no grey area for the true believer. If God wanted man to question the Bible he would not have referred to it as HIS word. He would have referred to it as man's. But, anyone who knows the Bible knows that it was written by those who did the will of God. Also, if you truely believe that God is all knowing, then you have to believe that God knew the Bible would be exactly as it is. After all, nothing, and I mean nothing, happens without God knowing about it first. So, don't you think that God would have interveened if man did indeed alter HIS word? I do. God knows everything and God knew the Bible would be written just as it is. Therefore, it's perfect because God is perfect. End of discussion.

[DJDIGGLER]

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[QUOTE=Evil Ryu]

Yeah but faith to you could be different to the next guy. What's warm to you might be cold to me. What's pretty to you might be ugly as sin to me. See where I'm going with this.

If your truly Christian than you would know that god will always forgive you for your sins as long as you mean it.

That is true, but the point is that if you are a true Christian you should want to follow the word of God/ bible.

That is my point exactly! I do follow the ten commandments, I do pray, I do believe in god, and in Jesus. I do have faith. I don't however believe in every word written. I feel that some stories have been padded or misconstrued. I feel there is some things left out. I don't believe in church.
Just like they said in the movie Stigmata "God is all around you, he's inside of you. Not inside fancy buildings or temples." basically saying that you don't need the church to have god in your life. I don't believe in giving some church my money, or in their crookedness. I don't believe in going to some child molesting temple, that's just wrong.

You all take my bible accusations as if I'm against the bible. I'm not against the bible. I'm against the people that push it on others, and that push their misinterpretations of it on others. So does all of that make me faithless? No, it just means I have the logic to understand a book written by morals could have easily been misconstrued over the years, so you can't take every single word literally!

[T-Man007]

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Yeah but faith to you could be different to the next guy. What's warm to you might be cold to me. What's pretty to you might be ugly as sin to me. See where I'm going with this. The only point I'm making is that maybe I see things differently than you and Tmann and the others. I have the right to do that and it doesn't make me any less of a man than you or anyone else.

I'm arguing with Tmann because although outside of debating he's a great guy from what I can tell, he always tries to make himself and his deeds like superior to others. He always talks down on others like when he said oh well I make this, and I do this, and my IQ is this. So I responded back to put him in his place and let him know he's not as superior as he thinks he is sometimes.

If your truly Christian than you would know that god will always forgive you for your sins as long as you mean it. If I honestly didn't believe all of the things in the bible because over the centuries it could have easily been padded by the catholic church, I highly doubt god would crucify me for that. If I pray to god, and he knows my intentions are good, I try to follow the ten commandments etc etc. I highly doubt he will point the finger and say, YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE EVERY WORD IN A BOOK WRITTEN BY MORTALS AND NOW YOU WILL PAY!!! MWAHHHAHAHAHAHA!

On a side note my point with the other religons is if you actually sit down and read some of the stuff in other religons you'll notice that oddly they all have the exact same stories as the bible, only with different names. Even alot of the dates are similar. Especially the pagan religon which was around way before christianity! Alot of the stuff in the bible is directly from the pagan religon.

All I'm trying to say is do some research before you start pointing the finger at people and saying they are wrong! Not just you, Tmann too! But I know that he's going to come back with his expert advice because he's taken the time to study other religons to realize what I'm saying is true (<notice the sarcasm.) and that although god and jesus I think are real, alot of the bible has been padded and misconstrued over the years!

How was the Bible padded down by Catholics? Did they go back and change the original greek and hebrew? LMOA! No, they did not. As a matter of fact, the versions of the Bible that are used today are translations from the original greek and hebrew. Also, many versions of the Bible make references to the original text to give credibility. So, how again did Catholics pad it down? LOL

The Bible was written by men of God who spoke on his behalf. Everything in the Bible is exactly as God wanted it to be. To think it's not is to challenge God's omniscience.

[DJDIGGLER]

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[QUOTE=T-Man007]

Exactly! There is no grey area for the true believer. If God wanted man to question the Bible he would not have referred to it as HIS word. He would have referred to it as man's. But, anyone who knows the Bible knows that it was written by those who did the will of God. Also, if you truely believe that God is all knowing, then you have to believe that God knew the Bible would be exactly as it is. After all, nothing, and I mean nothing, happens without God knowing about it first. So, don't you think that God would have interveened if man did indeed alter HIS word? I do. God knows everything and God knew the Bible would be written just as it is. Therefore, it's perfect because God is perfect. End of discussion.

Pretty much true, but if your logic is correct wouldn't god know that the bible was altered before it would happen therefore making sure it didnt' happen? And if thats the case how come ****** came about? Wouldn't god know that ****** would kill millions of innocent people? Wouldn't he stop that? Oh that's right god gave us will power so no god would not intrude on man's will!

[T-Man007]

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[QUOTE=DJDIGGLER]

Pretty much true, but if your logic is correct wouldn't god know that the bible was altered before it would happen therefore making sure it didnt' happen? And if thats the case how come ****** came about? Wouldn't god know that ****** would kill millions of innocent people? Wouldn't he stop that? Oh that's right god gave us will power so no god would not intrude on man's will!

See, it's things like this that prove you don't truely believe. You are sarcastic about God! That's blasphemy! Children die everyday, so what. It's part of His plan. ****** was part of Gods plan. And let's not forget who ****** attacked, the Jews. Which, if you have any Bible knowlegde, you would know that God warned the Jews in Dueteronony that if they did not follow the law they would be persecuted. They would be destroyed. These are Gods words! Like I said, people who try to fit God in some little box so they can size him up are people who have no true faith. If you know the Bible you know God wiped out thousands of people because they wouldn't obey. Who are you to question God for letting ****** do what he did? You are a man of little faith, because only a man of little faith would question God.

[mtnmedic]

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Nice to see some people still have brains, and the balls to not follow on the Bush bandwagon!

Well he sends all these kids over there to die then we just give'em back what we spilled our blood for ? Im sure alot of veterans feel good about that. He's just using America to fill his damn pockets for cryin' out loud. I mean jus look at him,..does he look like he speaks the truth and is interested in whats better for us Americans ? He's a liar, a cheat and a theif bottom line.

[DJDIGGLER]

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Well he sends all these kids over there to die then we just give'em back what we spilled our blood for ? Im sure alot of veterans feel good about that. He's just using America to fill his damn pockets for cryin' out loud. I mean jus look at him,..does he look like he speaks the truth and is interested in whats better for us Americans ? He's a liar, a cheat and a theif bottom line.

That's what made me sick! They're over there fighting for us, and then Bush has the audacity to put the enemy in charge that our soldiers are fighting.

I don't know if you saw my other post mtnmedic, but you would be infuriated if you saw it. A church congregation went to a soldiers funerals in Nebraska and protested it. They had signs saying "GOD KILLED YOUR SON", "GOD IS USA'S TERRORIST", AND "YOUR SON DESERVED TO DIE"! MADE ME SICK!!!

[T-Man007]

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That's what made me sick! They're over there fighting for us, and then Bush has the audacity to put the enemy in charge that our soldiers are fighting.

I don't know if you saw my other post mtnmedic, but you would be infuriated if you saw it. A church congregation went to a soldiers funerals in Nebraska and protested it. They had signs saying "GOD KILLED YOUR SON", "GOD IS USA'S TERRORIST", AND "YOUR SON DESERVED TO DIE"! MADE ME SICK!!!

You are right, that is sickening. It's totally wrong and those people are anything but Christian. True Christians do not judge, they do not point fingers, they do not do those types of things. It's even more disheartening for me because they idiots make me look bad. Then no one wants to hear about the good of God because this is what they see. It's sad, very sad.