sum this up for me what did bush do?

[T-Man007]

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You still haven't given me any reason as to why you question my level of intelligence. You have nicely side stepped the issue with the same old retoric that all Liberals seem to have, IE: Bush is a moron. Seems to be the only thing in the leftist handbook that can be said over and over.All the left and Liberals ever do is complain about Bush's decissions, but never seem to have an answer or a different soultion for their perceived destruction of our country.
The majority of people in this country must have approved of the job he is doing to get him re-elected. So on the accusation that you have made,that the vast majority of this country's citizens are unintelligent,God fearing conseratives that support and re-elected Bush.
I suffered through 8 years of a presidency (Clinton) that lied to the citizens, raised taxes at every chance, was poll driven and degraded the White House, more specifically the Oval Office for their own profit. The White House became an ultra luxury hotel if you had the money to "pay" for the right to stay there. If Bill would have had the balls of the family, instead of Hillary, the war in Iraq could have been avoided. Bin LAden was offered to him 3 times by other middle eastern countries, But since he didn't have any balls, he turned down the opportunity to have him incarcerated. Clinton never took any action when our service mens barricks were bombed,when the 1993 bombing of the Twin towers took place or even when the USS Cole was bombed. This only proved to the radicals in the middle east that he was weak and would not retaliate to what ever terrorist acts they did. The only action he ever took was to bomb an asprin actory, at night, and shoot a cruise missle up a camels a$$ from 500 miles away.
To get to the point,with all of the NON actaion take by that administration to embolden them, al-quaida (sp) to attack. If Clinton would have done his job, Bush wouldn't have had to come in and clean up his mess. Hell, even Monica couldn't clean up his messes.
As far as WMD's, even Saddam's men have said that they were transfered to Syria. There has been proof that there were WMD's in Iraq. Shell casings and storage canisters that were designed to hold and deliver gases have been found.
As for the relief efforts for Katrina. The governor of La was asked by Bush 48 hours BEFORE landfall to declare an emergency so the government could come in after the storm. He called again 24 hours before and requested the she call a state of emergency so the feds could be ready sooner. NOPE, she wouldn't do it. Then had the audacity to ***** about how long it took for relief help after the storm had hit.
Mayor Nagen was no better. There was an emergency planin place for evacuation of N.O. that started 72 hours before landfall. Did he implimente it? NOPE.But yet he also complained about the lack of help from the feds. You gotta try to help yourself before *****ing about lack of help from someone else.
Even now, there is corruption and scandal with the distribution of monetary funds to help the needy down there. Sure, some of the blame should fall on the feds for mismanagment and lack of communication during that time, but most of it falls on the state and local governments of La and N.O.
What I'm trying to do is to get you to back up you statements and accusation with cold hard facts. Don't just say Bush is dumb or what about the lack of help for hurricane victims, give me and all on here the facts to back up your statements. It will help me and others to see where you are coming from.

Finally, someone with a brain and facts to back it up!

[DJDIGGLER]

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Finally, someone with a brain and facts to back it up!

apparently your insulting yourself being that we have an almost exactly similar IQ!

[T-Man007]

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apparently your insulting yourself being that we have an almost exactly similar IQ!

No, the uni-bomber had an IQ over 180 and he was an idiot. Not everyone with a high IQ has wisdom and that is the difference between you and I. I have been on this planet about 10 years longer than you. When I was your age I used to be as ignorant as your are, but I grew up and gained wisdom from my life experiences. It changed my views. I used to be pro abortion when I was your age. As a matter of fact, statistics have proven that more people in their 20's are of Liberal views because they don't have enough wisdom to see how ass back wards Liberal are. As they get older and wiser many will change to more conservative views.

You wrote that you want to stop this Bible movement, but then, once again, you go the other direction and say you will propbably put your kids through Catholic schools. LOL That's ass backwards. To say you don't believe the Bible is truth but then to say you are going to teach the Bible to your children because it's a good book of priciples is ass backwards. To say you are going to teach your children all religions is totaly ass backwards because some religions actually teach hatred for other religions. You are actually going to tell your children to read something even though you yourself don't believe in it? Ass backwards!

By the way, do you even have children yet? Just wondering. I have found that everyone without kids seems to think they know exactly what they will do when they have kids but when that day comes and you look down at that little baby your whole thought process changes. You then become aware that you are completely resposible for this child and this child completely relies upon you to provide and educate them. What you say you will do when you have kids and what you actually do are usually different. But, maybe you actually have kids and this is your plan. I fell bad if it is because they will have been given no direction from you. They will just have been given all the options and forced to make choices for themselves. Hence, the higher crime rate among kids and teens. Kids who are left to make all their decisions for them selves wil make the wrong ones because they don't have the wisdom to make the right ones yet. A parent must take responsibility for teaching moral priciples to thier children so they know right from wrong.

[Evil Ryu]

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No, the uni-bomber had an IQ over 180 and he was an idiot. Not everyone with a high IQ has wisdom and that is the difference between you and I. I have been on this planet about 10 years longer than you. When I was your age I used to be as ignorant as your are, but I grew up and gained wisdom from my life experiences. It changed my views. I used to be pro abortion when I was your age. As a matter of fact, statistics have proven that more people in their 20's are of Liberal views because they don't have enough wisdom to see how ass back wards Liberal are. As they get older and wiser many will change to more conservative views.

You wrote that you want to stop this Bible movement, but then, once again, you go the other direction and say you will propbably put your kids through Catholic schools. LOL That's ass backwards. To say you don't believe the Bible is truth but then to say you are going to teach the Bible to your children because it's a good book of priciples is ass backwards. To say you are going to teach your children all religions is totaly ass backwards because some religions actually teach hatred for other religions. You are actually going to tell your children to read something even though you yourself don't believe in it? Ass backwards!

By the way, do you even have children yet? Just wondering. I have found that everyone without kids seems to think they know exactly what they will do when they have kids but when that day comes and you look down at that little baby your whole thought process changes. You then become aware that you are completely resposible for this child and this child completely relies upon you to provide and educate them. What you say you will do when you have kids and what you actually do are usually different. But, maybe you actually have kids and this is your plan. I fell bad if it is because they will have been given no direction from you. They will just have been given all the options and forced to make choices for themselves. Hence, the higher crime rate among kids and teens. Kids who are left to make all their decisions for them selves wil make the wrong ones because they don't have the wisdom to make the right ones yet. A parent must take responsibility for teaching moral priciples to thier children so they know right from wrong.

HEHEHE You're awesome T-man.

[DJDIGGLER]

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You wrote that you want to stop this Bible movement, but then, once again, you go the other direction and say you will propbably put your kids through Catholic schools. LOL That's ass backwards. To say you don't believe the Bible is truth but then to say you are going to teach the Bible to your children because it's a good book of priciples is ass backwards. To say you are going to teach your children all religions is totaly ass backwards because some religions actually teach hatred for other religions. You are actually going to tell your children to read something even though you yourself don't believe in it? Ass backwards!

See again you prove my point. So many bible pushers have no idea how to read into things. If you properly read what I wrote and sat for a second to decipher what I wrote, You'd be able to understand that I said I don't believe the bible is true, not that the morals of the stories aren't true. BIG DIFFERENCE. Again you put words in my mounth to try to talk down on me and make your self look superior. Well strike two at that!

First of all like I've mentioned before but you seem never to understand my clear english oh wise one..........The bible as a whole is a good book, it teaches people many good ways to live their lives by, a way to be a good person if you will. Then you have the people like yourself that take the book in a literal sense who take every single word in it for text. You believe every single thing happened in exactly the way it says. That just shows Naiveness (which makes sense because most Bush supporters are incredibly naive). If you believe all of the stories as facts and not symbology then I highly question you IQ level! If you honestly think that samson lost his power when his hair was cut then you are definitely retarded! I don't mean that in a literal sense, which I know I must clarify for you. I mean that against your ability to seperate fact from fiction.

I want to teach my kid the bible because it teaches good morals. It taught me many good morals that I still believe today. The bible is not a book written by people in the third person. It's written often times hundreds of years later after the people being written about were dead. Do you honestly think that none of the stories were misconstrued over the centuries? Again are you that naive?

Another thing is yes I want to teach my kid all religons because I want my kids to make their own decsions of what to believe in. I don't want to dictate to my kids what their faith should be. Again since your a bible pusher you must have forgot that this country is supposed to have 'Freedom of Religon'! So I want my kid to be able to make his own choice when the time comes! Just because I like chocolate ice cream doesn't mean that I have to force that view on my kids. Perfect example, when I was a kid my dad used to always teach me the same lesson. I'd tell him I like chocolate and say that it's the best and I don't know why it's not his favorite. That he's crazy! He'd simply say "Derek chocolate isn't the best, it's your favorite. There's a big difference! Just because you like it doesn't mean that I have to." To anyone with any intelligence you'd see the symbology in what he was trying to teach. Then I didn't understand the symbology. Now I do. You can't push your beliefs on others. Everyone has to make up their own decision what they like or believe in.

So again where was I speaking hypocritically? Where was I ass backwards?
Because I'm smart enough to know the bible is a story book with some facts, just like my favorite book "The Da Vinci Code" is a story book with some facts, does that make me naive? Or does it make you naive for not being able to interpret things?

I still sense that even though I've almost over explained myself you probably still won't be able to open your eyes and understand what I say. That's okay I think you are a very naive and close minded person. I think you always have the best intentions in mind and are a good person. I just think you are lost.

[T-Man007]

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See again you prove my point. So many bible pushers have no idea how to read into things. If you properly read what I wrote and sat for a second to decipher what I wrote, You'd be able to understand that I said I don't believe the bible is true, not that the morals of the stories aren't true. BIG DIFFERENCE. Again you put words in my mounth to try to talk down on me and make your self look superior. Well strike two at that!

First of all like I've mentioned before but you seem never to understand my clear english oh wise one..........The bible as a whole is a good book, it teaches people many good ways to live their lives by, a way to be a good person if you will. Then you have the people like yourself that take the book in a literal sense who take every single word in it for text. You believe every single thing happened in exactly the way it says. That just shows Naiveness (which makes sense because most Bush supporters are incredibly naive). If you believe all of the stories as facts and not symbology then I highly question you IQ level! If you honestly think that samson lost his power when his hair was cut then you are definitely retarded! I don't mean that in a literal sense, which I know I must clarify for you. I mean that against your ability to seperate fact from fiction.

I want to teach my kid the bible because it teaches good morals. It taught me many good morals that I still believe today. The bible is not a book written by people in the third person. It's written often times hundreds of years later after the people being written about were dead. Do you honestly think that none of the stories were misconstrued over the centuries? Again are you that naive?

Another thing is yes I want to teach my kid all religons because I want my kids to make their own decsions of what to believe in. I don't want to dictate to my kids what their faith should be. Again since your a bible pusher you must have forgot that this country is supposed to have 'Freedom of Religon'! So I want my kid to be able to make his own choice when the time comes! Just because I like chocolate ice cream doesn't mean that I have to force that view on my kids. Perfect example, when I was a kid my dad used to always teach me the same lesson. I'd tell him I like chocolate and say that it's the best and I don't know why it's not his favorite. That he's crazy! He'd simply say "Derek chocolate isn't the best, it's your favorite. There's a big difference! Just because you like it doesn't mean that I have to." To anyone with any intelligence you'd see the symbology in what he was trying to teach. Then I didn't understand the symbology. Now I do. You can't push your beliefs on others. Everyone has to make up their own decision what they like or believe in.

So again where was I speaking hypocritically? Where was I ass backwards?
Because I'm smart enough to know the bible is a story book with some facts, just like my favorite book "The Da Vinci Code" is a story book with some facts, does that make me naive? Or does it make you naive for not being able to interpret things?

I still sense that even though I've almost over explained myself you probably still won't be able to open your eyes and understand what I say. That's okay I think you are a very naive and close minded person. I think you always have the best intentions in mind and are a good person. I just think you are lost.

You will never undetstand because you don't have faith. And if you don't see the ass backwardness, that doesn't surprise me. All Liberals are ass backwards. When you are constantly thinking is ass backwards thought processes you aren't able to identify them. When you get a little wiser you will understand more.

And as for my IQ test, I've never taken an IQ test that was not MENSA sponsored. I've never taken one from a book, the internet or TV because they aren't accurate. I've only taken the legitmate ones where you have a proctor who makes you stop when the time is up. You only have so many minutes to answer the questions, unlike the books or the internet where you can take as long as you need. Also, I scored perfect on the logic portion of the test in both of the last ones I took. Thus, indicating I have a solid grasp on logic and common sense.

Oh, and you never answered the question, do you actually have kids?

And finally, you obviously never pay attention to what I say because I have said many times that I don't force my views on anyone. People have to choose for themselves, that's whay I've always said. But, to teach a child to learn different religions is just asinine because they wont know what to think and you clearly wont know how to dispell any of their confusion because you yourself don't have any faith. Why would you teach a child to learn Christianity and then Islam? That's the dumbest phuking thing I've ever heard. If you have actually read the Quran, which I have, you would know that it clearly states that Muslims are to hate Christians and Jews. So, you are telling me, that you would teach your child both of these opposing religions and yet you can't see the ass backwardness? If anyone is naive, it's you.

[T-Man007]

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HEHEHE You're awesome T-man.

[mtnmedic]

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I said it before and im not afraid to say it again,..someone needs to put a bullet in that son of a *****es head !

[DJDIGGLER]

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You will never undetstand because you don't have faith.

Of course I have faith and I believe in god. Just because I have my own brain and don't believe every last word in the bible doesn't make me faithless. Just because I have the intellect to question some stuff in the bible doesn't make me faithless. Who the phuck are you to decide if I have faith or not?? Since when did you become so self righteous that you can decide what is true faith and what isn't? I thought god was supposed to be the judge of that? Are you saying your god? Wouldn't surprise me because with your line of thinking you sure as hell act like you think your one.

And again I'll say it for the 100th time. You definitely push your beliefs on people. Go back and read your freaking posts. Everytime you try to change laws like abortion and what not because it's what YOU believe in, that's pushing your beliefs on others. PERIOD! There's no gray area in that. If you believe something and try to dictate to other/make it a law, you are pushing your beliefs on people. DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?? I don't get why I spell things out for you and you are still not able to comprehend what I say. It's like speaking to a freaking rock. Atleast a rock doesn't come back with senseless answers that are far from what I said.

BTW I don't have kids, and don't want any for atleast another 5 years. Alot of friends and family that do have kids still all agree with my line of thinking, so no just because you have kids doesn't make you all high and mighty!

[DJDIGGLER]

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I said it before and im not afraid to say it again,..someone needs to put a bullet in that son of a *****es head !

Nice to see some people still have brains, and the balls to not follow on the Bush bandwagon!

[T-Man007]

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Of course I have faith and I believe in god. Just because I have my own brain and don't believe every last word in the bible doesn't make me faithless. Just because I have the intellect to question some stuff in the bible doesn't make me faithless. Who the phuck are you to decide if I have faith or not?? Since when did you become so self righteous that you can decide what is true faith and what isn't? I thought god was supposed to be the judge of that? Are you saying your god? Wouldn't surprise me because with your line of thinking you sure as hell act like you think your one.

And again I'll say it for the 100th time. You definitely push your beliefs on people. Go back and read your freaking posts. Everytime you try to change laws like abortion and what not because it's what YOU believe in, that's pushing your beliefs on others. PERIOD! There's no gray area in that. If you believe something and try to dictate to other/make it a law, you are pushing your beliefs on people. DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?? I don't get why I spell things out for you and you are still not able to comprehend what I say. It's like speaking to a freaking rock. Atleast a rock doesn't come back with senseless answers that are far from what I said.

BTW I don't have kids, and don't want any for atleast another 5 years. Alot of friends and family that do have kids still all agree with my line of thinking, so no just because you have kids doesn't make you all high and mighty!

I am an "authentic" Christian, that's who the phuk I am to question your bullshit faith. You either believe Gods word to be truth or you don't. There is no grey area! If you believe that the Bible is not truthful then you have no faith. Period! The Bible is know as the gospel, and the gospel in greek translate into God's word. So, therefore, you are saying God is a liar. One who does that has no faith. The problem with being a hypocrite who lives an ass backwards life is you are so disconnected from anything except what you want at that moment. You change the Bible to make it fit your beliefs in stead of believing in it. That is lack of faith. Maybe if you actually read the Bible you would know that. Oh wait, I forgot, that part was probably embellished by man too, right? LOL

Also, I am far from self-righteous, but I know a faithless person when I hear then speak or see their actions. That's the funniest thing about people who change the Bible to be what they want in stead of what God wants, they always call those who challenge their faith self-righteous. However, if you actually read the Bible it cleary says that a believer should challenge another believer when they are out of place. Not judge then, challenge then, hold them accountable, you understand. It's like the guy who claims to be a Christian to your face but he will screw you over in a heart beat. Authentic Christians do not do that. Authentic Christians take the Gospel for what it is, God's word. And if you say the gospel is not truth then you are saying God is a liar. Man, I hope you don't get hit by a bus anytime soon because you are headed downstairs. And finally, if you actually believe in God and that Jesus was his son the you are aware that Jesus is the only path to God. A man with faith would not teach his children to follow religions that will result in condemnation. Anyone who questions the authenticity of the Bible has no faith. Period!

[TestRip7]

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I am an "authentic" Christian, that's who the phuk I am to question your bullshit faith. You either believe Gods word to be truth or you don't. There is no grey area! If you believe that the Bible is not truthful then you have no faith. Period! The Bible is know as the gospel, and the gospel in greek translate into God's word. So, therefore, you are saying God is a liar. One who does that has no faith. The problem with being a hypocrite who lives an ass backwards life is you are so disconnected from anything except what you want at that moment. You change the Bible to make it fit your beliefs in stead of believing in it. That is lack of faith. Maybe if you actually read the Bible you would know that. Oh wait, I forgot, that part was probably embellished by man too, right? LOL

Also, I am far from self-righteous, but I know a faithless person when I hear then speak or see their actions. That's the funniest thing about people who change the Bible to be what they want in stead of what God wants, they always call those who challenge their faith self-righteous. However, if you actually read the Bible it cleary says that a believer should challenge another believer when they are out of place. Not judge then, challenge then, hold them accountable, you understand. It's like the guy who claims to be a Christian to your face but he will screw you over in a heart beat. Authentic Christians do not do that. Authentic Christians take the Gospel for what it is, God's word. And if you say the gospel is not truth then you are saying God is a liar. Man, I hope you don't get hit by a bus anytime soon because you are headed downstairs. And finally, if you actually believe in God and that Jesus was his son the you are aware that Jesus is the only path to God. A man with faith would not teach his children to follow religions that will result in condemnation. Anyone who questions the authenticity of the Bible has no faith. Period!

Absolutely t-man.

[T-Man007]

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Absolutely t-man.

Thanks bro! You know it cracks me up when people say the have a brain to challenge the Bible. That's not havign a brain, that's having no faith. True faith, as you know, is believing in things you can't comprehend. That's the problem with man today, he wants to put God in this box so that he can understand God. That, as scripture teaches, is idolatry. Anytime you minimize God to something other than what he is, that's idolatry. That is not something a man of true faith would do. Believing in what you can prove requires no faith, no brains, no imagination. Believing in what you can't prove is faith.

[Evil Ryu]

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In regards to the Christianity topic, Tman is absolutely right. First of all you either have faith or you don't, PERIOD. But it's not just that. You also have to live your life the way Jesus wants you to live, like a true Christian. You can't just simply say I have faith, but then question the bible. That is why I and others that don't live like a true Christian will never make it to heaven. Not because I don't have faith, because I most certainly do, but because I am not living like a true Christian. See the problem is that those that question the bible usually 1. don't have true faith , 2. did not understand the bible or 3. just like to argue and question everything. I am still trying to learn and comprehend what it really means to be a true Christian. For example here is what I learned at work recently from a fellow Christian and I think Tman will be able to confirm this. Did you know that you are supposed to give 10% of your income to your church, assuming you go? At first my response was, what if I have a lot of bills? Then I realized that those bills came from wanting unneccesary material things like a fancy car ,clothes, etc. So in reality I do have enough to give. Even if 10% of what you have i
is only 2 dollars a month. But the whole point is that you should want to follow his word. You don't have to because God gave man free will, meaning there is no fate. so........ DJ your opinions on on any subject are well respected by me, even if I don't agree. That is why I won't comment on them and argue with you. But Christianity, like Tman said, has no gray areas..... You have faith or you don't.

[DJDIGGLER]

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But Christianity, like Tman said, has no gray areas..... You have faith or you don't.

Yeah but faith to you could be different to the next guy. What's warm to you might be cold to me. What's pretty to you might be ugly as sin to me. See where I'm going with this. The only point I'm making is that maybe I see things differently than you and Tmann and the others. I have the right to do that and it doesn't make me any less of a man than you or anyone else.

I'm arguing with Tmann because although outside of debating he's a great guy from what I can tell, he always tries to make himself and his deeds like superior to others. He always talks down on others like when he said oh well I make this, and I do this, and my IQ is this. So I responded back to put him in his place and let him know he's not as superior as he thinks he is sometimes.

If your truly Christian than you would know that god will always forgive you for your sins as long as you mean it. If I honestly didn't believe all of the things in the bible because over the centuries it could have easily been padded by the catholic church, I highly doubt god would crucify me for that. If I pray to god, and he knows my intentions are good, I try to follow the ten commandments etc etc. I highly doubt he will point the finger and say, YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE EVERY WORD IN A BOOK WRITTEN BY MORTALS AND NOW YOU WILL PAY!!! MWAHHHAHAHAHAHA!

On a side note my point with the other religons is if you actually sit down and read some of the stuff in other religons you'll notice that oddly they all have the exact same stories as the bible, only with different names. Even alot of the dates are similar. Especially the pagan religon which was around way before christianity! Alot of the stuff in the bible is directly from the pagan religon.

All I'm trying to say is do some research before you start pointing the finger at people and saying they are wrong! Not just you, Tmann too! But I know that he's going to come back with his expert advice because he's taken the time to study other religons to realize what I'm saying is true (<notice the sarcasm.) and that although god and jesus I think are real, alot of the bible has been padded and misconstrued over the years!