Just Curious.......

[DJDIGGLER]

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Liberals think that by making things ok, society will get better. well, it won't. nothing will change. Christians are called to point out the right and wrongs of behavior, not to judge people's hearts. If I tell a homosexual that I believe that his behavior is wrong, I am not saying he is bad..I am saying his behavior is bad. I do this because I care. Just as you would tell your brother or sister about a behavior, such as drinking, if it were getting out of hand. Are you JUDGING them..or are you trying to HELP them????? please get off this whole judging thing. only God knows what is in people's heart..He judges their HEART..we are all called to help our brothers and sisters by guiding them..this is not judging. The phrase live and let live equals "be quiet and go with the flow"..this is exactly what satan wants. Silence is satan's friend.

Finally Pl you've made a smart comment! Your right by saying that if you think that homosexuality is wrong, that your not saying that the guy is bad, your just saying his behavior is bad. Same with drinking your trying to help them not judge them. So why is it any different for Abortion? Again it's what you believe in, and you have the right to have your own beliefs. You don't however have the right to tell me what my beliefs are. You have the right to tell me you think abortion is wrong, but not to tell me I'm not allowed to have my wife do it. You have the right to tell a homosexual that his behavior is bad, but not to say that he's not allowed to do it. You have the right to tell an alcoholic he's wrong, but not to force him to stop.

The whole point that you people just aren't getting is you have the right to have beliefs, but you don't have the right to force your beliefs on others. If I believe the bible is wrong and evil does that mean they should burn all the bibles? If I believe in ritualistic public sex does that mean that it should be legal? If I believe in doing crack in a church on sunday morning with my pants around my ankles, does that mean it should be legal? I'm hoping your starting to catch on by this point, because if your not you are definetely lost and there is no hope for you.

I also love how you say that christians are here to point out right from wrong. Are you implying that all other religons are wrong and evil? If you are you obviously are making a very stupid comment! You need to sit down and read some of the other religons holy books. Be open minded. I'm not saying to believe in them and abandon your own religon. I'm saying that you need to read them to understand that all other relgions aren't evil. I bet you think other bibles say "everyone go be homosexual, play violent video games, have lots of pre marital sex, and abort all of your babies!" It wouldn't surprise me if you did think that. Just proving yet again that you bible pushers are all NAIVE!!

[TestRip7]

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Every Relgion is and always will be entitled to their own opinions. No one should expect another to bow at his or her feet because they have a "BETTER" relgion be it Hindu, Christianity, Muslim, Buddism or whatever else. But on the same thought our country was founded by many great fore fathers on a specific set of guidelines and a particular God. Times change as technology develops, wars happen, people die and are born and society as a whole tends to change and evolve over many many years. Thank god we have a democracy where it is ok to disagree with one another and voice our opinions without facing capital punishment weither it be left wing or right wing.

[DJDIGGLER]

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Every Relgion is and always will be entitled to their own opinions. No one should expect another to bow at his or her feet because they have a "BETTER" relgion be it Hindu, Christianity, Muslim, Buddism or whatever else. But on the same thought our country was founded by many great fore fathers on a specific set of guidelines and a particular God. Times change as technology develops, wars happen, people die and are born and society as a whole tends to change and evolve over many many years. Thank god we have a democracy where it is ok to disagree with one another and voice our opinions without facing capital punishment weither it be left wing or right wing.

Very very well put!

[T-Man007]

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I think it's just a matter of time before he becomes absolutely disgusted at us and wipes us all out. Of course this begs the question: If God is all omniscient, (all knowing) then how can he be disappointed, he already knew.

Exactly, the world is just as he expected it to be because he knows everything.

However, God's disapproval with Sodom and Gamora, the entire world (before the flood), and the tower of (drawing a blank here), where he intentionally killed man kind for their disobedience. I agree, if the world keeps going in the shitter with these Liberal views it's only a matter of time before He wipes us out again.

[Evil Ryu]

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Exactly, the world is just as he expected it to be because he knows everything.

However, God's disapproval with Sodom and Gamora, the entire world (before the flood), and the tower of (drawing a blank here), where he intentionally killed man kind for their disobedience. I agree, if the world keeps going in the shitter with these Liberal views it's only a matter of time before He wipes us out again.

tower of babel

[PL456]

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yes, I believe islam, buddhism, the oriental religions, scientology, etc. are incorrect and false religions. Christianity is the only way to salvation. Jesus said that the only way to the Father is through me (Jesus).

Muhommed (Islam)--is dead..his body is in Mecca (supposedly).

Buddha--is dead.

Jesus Christ--rose from the dead and was seen by over 200 people for days after His resurrection. Jesus defeated death. He was the one and only Son of God.

Times do change, but people do not. and, thankfully, the word of God does not.

Now, regarding the issue of homosexuality and alcoholism that diggler raised above. Abortion should be illegal because it involves stopping a beating heart. homosexuality and alcoholism are choices people make that hurt themselves horribly, but can be reversed. Once an abortion is completed and the child is dead, that's the end of that. There is a HUGE difference. Im saying that we as adults do not have the right to "choose" life or death for the child.

[angryoldman]

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I truely believe with people challenging the 10 commandments being in front of the court house, people challenging prayers in school, people challenging prayers in public places, wars, and everything else going on, I believe all the hurricanes and other "Natures Furies" are God's way of saying "CUT IT OUT NOW!" Everywhere on the news, there's fighting, there's aetheists, there's everyone challenging the way we were brought up. Back in the 50's and 60's, there wasn't stuff like this going on. Families did things together. They ate dinner together. They went to church together. Men wore suits to baseball games. People prayed in school. If you did something wrong, the nun would beat you. When you went home to tell your parents the nun beat you, your parents would beat you also becasue you MUST have done something wrong for the nun to beat you. Kids never talked back to their parents. No one sued to be seperated from their parents. No one sued to stop prayers in school. God is pissed. And I believe he's only just begining.

[kite]

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I truely believe with people challenging the 10 commandments being in front of the court house, people challenging prayers in school, people challenging prayers in public places, wars, and everything else going on, I believe all the hurricanes and other "Natures Furies" are God's way of saying "CUT IT OUT NOW!" Everywhere on the news, there's fighting, there's aetheists, there's everyone challenging the way we were brought up. Back in the 50's and 60's, there wasn't stuff like this going on. Families did things together. They ate dinner together. They went to church together. Men wore suits to baseball games. People prayed in school. If you did something wrong, the nun would beat you. When you went home to tell your parents the nun beat you, your parents would beat you also becasue you MUST have done something wrong for the nun to beat you. Kids never talked back to their parents. No one sued to be seperated from their parents. No one sued to stop prayers in school. God is pissed. And I believe he's only just begining.

AMEN!

[T-Man007]

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I truely believe with people challenging the 10 commandments being in front of the court house, people challenging prayers in school, people challenging prayers in public places, wars, and everything else going on, I believe all the hurricanes and other "Natures Furies" are God's way of saying "CUT IT OUT NOW!" Everywhere on the news, there's fighting, there's aetheists, there's everyone challenging the way we were brought up. Back in the 50's and 60's, there wasn't stuff like this going on. Families did things together. They ate dinner together. They went to church together. Men wore suits to baseball games. People prayed in school. If you did something wrong, the nun would beat you. When you went home to tell your parents the nun beat you, your parents would beat you also becasue you MUST have done something wrong for the nun to beat you. Kids never talked back to their parents. No one sued to be seperated from their parents. No one sued to stop prayers in school. God is pissed. And I believe he's only just begining.

Here here bro! The Liberal movement has ruined the moral fiber of humanity. People should be allowed to pray in school if they want to, and to whatever God they please. Religion has been pushed away by man because it hold them responsible for their actions and man is so arrogant an greedy he doesn't want to bow before God, he doesn't want to be obedient, and so, God punishes. I agree with every single word you wrote! When I was a kid, if I screwed up and I was at another kids house, his mom would give me a spanking. Back then parents looked out for one another's kids and if needed they would discipline them. But now, with the 'don't not spank you kids crap', kids have no discipline, they have no respect for elders, nothing. I was at IHOP this weekend with my wife and son and there were these teenage boys who were sitting in the waiting seats. Well, this very elderly man and woman came in and these littel punks just sat there. I got pissed, but before I could say anything some other dude said, "hey, get up and let these people sit down". These kids just looked at him with this dumb 'what did I do look' on their face. Kids are so undisciplined these days. The crime rate amongst children has risen several hundred percent since the 60's and 70's when this whole dame Liberal things started. Coinsidence, I think not!

[DJDIGGLER]

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Wow I no longer am going to bother posting about religon because you are all way to blind. They old saying goes "you can't teach an old dog, new tricks" and that couldn't be anymore true.

BTW, angyoldman the hurricanes and weather patterns are changing due to the ozone layer depletion, which then has risen the global temps, and changed the currents. But yeah god did it because he's pissed. Let me guess he also made me trip over a book I left on the floor, because I'm not agreeing with every word in the bible. It's not because I left the book on the floor, it's because god was mad. Get a clue!

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

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Isaiah 46:9-10 'I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

In the last days, Jerusalem would be a burden to the entire world.
Zech 12:2-3 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about... And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces.
Turn on your TV and watch the news. What nation and what city would you most likely expect to see? Israel and Jerusalem! Today, Jerusalem is a burden that causes trembling for all the nations just as God foretold. What makes this prophecy even more remarkable is that when the prophet Zechariah spoke these words around 520BC, Jerusalem lay in ruins. But God said it would become the focus of the world's attention! Today, Israel has 0.01% of the worlds population, yet 33% of the United Nations resolutions have been passed concerning her!

Increase in wickedness and a decrease in morals.
Matt 24: 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.
Matt 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Luke 17:28-30 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot... Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
The days of Noah were known for their wickedness (Gen 6:5). The days of Lot, living in Sodom and Gomorrah were known for the homosexuality that occurred. (Gen 19) We see both increasing today with parades to openly display and flaunt their wickedness.

2 Tim 3:1-5 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power.
Men will love themselves, money, and pleasure, but not God! - In our age, self-esteem and loving yourself is in... boasting and pride is promoted! Family life is breaking down as people are becoming more disobedient towards parents, unthankful, unloving, and unforgiving.

Its only a matter of time, Everyone can debate this...It is your perrogative.

[Klash]

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abortion is murder..period. you take an innocent life. to make assumptions about how a child may react later in life is ridiculous. To say a child might not be happy with their situation later in life to justify ending their life before it starts is beyond comprehension. I am proud that South Dakota is fighting to overturn Roe v Wade. Only in cases where the life of the mother is in jeopardy, should it be considered.

Thats the take on society by the liberals. They think if it doesnt hurt them, it's ok. Well, its not always ok. A republic such as ours requires a set of rules and morals that the society lives by in order to survive. These rules and morals were set forth by the founding fathers under the guidance of the Holy Bible. Those are the facts, guys. Live with it. If you dont like it, move to Sweden were dope is legal, prostitution is legal, anything goes. Of course, this country, this world is in decline, has been for years. This is not new. People have not changed...I'll agree with Rev. Billy Graham on this topic. Read your Bibles. Lust, murder, idolatry all have been around since Adam and Eve.
Liberals think that by making things ok, society will get better. well, it won't. nothing will change. Christians are called to point out the right and wrongs of behavior, not to judge people's hearts. If I tell a homosexual that I believe that his behavior is wrong, I am not saying he is bad..I am saying his behavior is bad. I do this because I care. Just as you would tell your brother or sister about a behavior, such as drinking, if it were getting out of hand. Are you JUDGING them..or are you trying to HELP them????? please get off this whole judging thing. only God knows what is in people's heart..He judges their HEART..we are all called to help our brothers and sisters by guiding them..this is not judging. The phrase live and let live equals "be quiet and go with the flow"..this is exactly what satan wants. Silence is satan's friend.

As to the 'is God happy' question. I know God has a plan for this world. IT is set forth in the Bible. God knows what He is going to do and when. It is not for us to know. We never question God. We only praise Him. Be thankful for what we have.

"Live and let live" implies freedom. You live by your morality code, I'll live by mine. You don't own me and I don't own you. You don't infringe my freedoms and you will maintian yours. I don't work for your welfare and you don't work for mine.

Abortion is not murder. It is the state taking ownership of a woman's reproductive system to protect a parasite from the host, in the name of protecting rights (contradicting????). It comes down to individual freedom. Do we own our bodies or does the state.

You say "murder" of "innocent life" is only justified if the life of the mother is in jeopardy. If abortion truly is "murder" of an "innocent life", then there is no situation in which it should be considered. So, to say that murdering innocent life can be considered/tolerated in certain situations, suggests to me that you don't believe abortion is murder. Your just using the generic phrases always used by "pro-lifers". At least you didn't say innocent, defenseless baby - I always find that so redundant!

[DJDIGGLER]

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"Live and let live" implies freedom. You live by your morality code, I'll live by mine. You don't own me and I don't own you. You don't infringe my freedoms and you will maintian yours. I don't work for your welfare and you don't work for mine.

Abortion is not murder. It is the state taking ownership of a woman's reproductive system to protect a parasite from the host, in the name of protecting rights (contradicting????). It comes down to individual freedom. Do we own our bodies or does the state.

You say "murder" of "innocent life" is only justified if the life of the mother is in jeopardy. If abortion truly is "murder" of an "innocent life", then there is no situation in which it should be considered. So, to say that murdering innocent life can be considered/tolerated in certain situations, suggests to me that you don't believe abortion is murder. Your just using the generic phrases always used by "pro-lifers". At least you didn't say innocent, defenseless baby - I always find that so redundant!

I was beginning to think I was the only one here that had their eyes open!!

[PL456]

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Klash...so now a baby is a "parasite" on the woman's reproductive system....interesting. I find this conversation fascinating and very eye opening.

So..a baby is: a parasite, an ejaculation with a name, and is very likely a drain on society that will no doubt end up being a juvenile delinquent and being suicidally depressed once he/she finds out they were not aborted for what ever reason. am I right Klash, diggler, and gymdiva?

I, however, as I have stated ad nauseum, believe that a baby is a gift from God. I believe abortion is murder. I believe that we as a society should protect the unborn--the most innocent among us. Obviously you people do not have children. If you did, you might think differently, maybe not. Look at the statistics. These "incest and rape" pregnancies account for a microscopic number of abortions. As I said, the vast, vast majority are simply abortions of convenience. I have heard of women having 3 or 4 abortions. Thats called irresponsibility and state-sponsored murder. I hope that the newly appointed supreme court will take up this issue and overturn roe v wade. This law is a throwback to a great period of mora decline in our country---the 60's and 70's.

[DJDIGGLER]

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Klash...so now a baby is a "parasite" on the woman's reproductive system....interesting. I find this conversation fascinating and very eye opening.

So..a baby is: a parasite, an ejaculation with a name, and is very likely a drain on society that will no doubt end up being a juvenile delinquent and being suicidally depressed once he/she finds out they were not aborted for what ever reason. am I right Klash, diggler, and gymdiva?

PL I never take things personal. But it's getting very annoying that you keep putting words in my mouth. I said that I think babies of rape victims and incest would be a drain on society after they found their biological parents and learned the truth. Never did I say all babies would be delinquent and a drain on society. But if you want to be technical, there is a deliquencey stage that all kids go through. So open your mouth and insert your own foot.

What do you do in life that makes you so righteous to tell others what to do? I guarantee if I video tape your life 24hrs a day I'll find many things you do wrong. So until your perfect stop telling others how to live their freaking life!