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T-Man, I think you are my brother from another mother!
I can't give you any more rep points but I would if I could!!!!!
Originally posted by T-Man007
Exactly! I agree 100%. Criminals have it way too easy because of all the Liberals in the is country. Liberals have all but totally taken punishment out of crime. Yeah, that's a receipe for success. LOL Look at all the states with high murder rates, what do you know, they're Liberal states. Yet, these people are too stupid to see the very problem they created. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not calling all Democrates Liberals, but all Liberals are Democrates. There is no such thing as a Liberal Conservative. That's an oxymoron.
Here's a statistic for you guys: the USA has 15% of the worlds population, however, we have over 25% of the worlds prisoners. Why, because the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Period. If you commit a violent crime against a human being then you should be punished so. As a matter of fact, I think the world should get together and build one huge prison on Antarctica and air drop all violent criminals there for life. Food and meds will be air dropped in weekly. If they want to be uncivilized people, then let them. Let them live in fear everyday of their life. AND, there will be NO guards. All you have to do is make sure they do not have the equipment and clothing to survive an attempt to leave. Any unchartered flight that goes near the place will be shot down. No tv, no phones, no connection to real life whatsoever. If you don't want the death penalty, then that is the only other choice I would agree with.
Obsessed is a word used by the lazy to describe the dedicated..
Writing some childrens' books doesnt change the fact that he brutally killed four people. Yes, during his time in prison he has bettered the lives of many kids by writing these, but this doesnt negate what he has done in the past. It's like driving to work in the morning; You can take the straight line drive in, or you can take the long way and help a few in need or pickup a hitchhiker. Regardless, you're stilling going to end up at work (executed).
Isn't it ironic how people always take up for the criminal, but never for the victims or their families? Personally, I think we don't execute enough people in this country. It just doesn't deter criminals anymore. Criminals know that time is on their side. Appeals take years and years, and of course you have bleeding-heart liberals/celebrities take up "the cause". That guy deserved to be executed at least 4 times over...He should have to feel all the pain the victims and their families feel/felt.
You want to tell the victim's families that the killer of those they loved most doesn't deserve to die? Please....spare me the liberalism and religous rhetoric.
O2, I'm so sorry for you, your family, and your little bro...
i agree 100%...i think they should even televize the death penalty being exicuted! and for certain crimes (child mollesting murderers) it should be very painfull!!
sorry for your loss o2...
HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!
Ok, well look at it like this. John Gotti went to prision for stuff he didn't do. He told people to do it and got sentenced for that. How can you say the guy at teh top is not responsible, he the one telling the guys at the bottom to do the stuff they do. The person who orders the murder is just as guilty as the one who does it. Becuase, without the order, there is not murder.
A street gang is different from the mob. The mob is very organized to the point were they probably wouldn't make a move without an order. On the street, their are no orders. Its stand on your street and hold down the block and if a rival comes through, then you do what you gotta do. Your not gonna call your leader an be like " hey there's some cobras on our block what should we do?" I've been in it first hand so I know how it goes. So, murder doesn't always happen with an order.
Evil Ryu who are you buddy anyways.. newbie I can see but I havent seen you anywhere before.
Seems like you need to do your homework first - dont get this the wrong way but you seem to defend gangs or whatever.
Gangsters are pu$$ies who can`t do shit without their "strapz" and have no balls to fight 1 on 1 just when they are in group.
You can`t compare real gangsters like lets say fictional character Toni Montana or even better AlcaPone.. to some idiots like Crips etc.. I`d like to have little 1 on 1 with those little scrawny fuckers..
Ryu... one of tookies murder he robbed a 711 for 120 bucks, took the clerk and pointed a gun behind his head execute style and shot him... then spent the $ on PCP....
I agree w/ diggi also... they dont fight 1 on 1 its always 10 on 1 .. and most are scrawny bastards
Evil Ryu who are you buddy anyways.. newbie I can see but I havent seen you anywhere before.
Seems like you need to do your homework first - dont get this the wrong way but you seem to defend gangs or whatever.
Gangsters are pu$$ies who can`t do shit without their "strapz" and have no balls to fight 1 on 1 just when they are in group.
You can`t compare real gangsters like lets say fictional character Toni Montana or even better AlcaPone.. to some idiots like Crips etc.. I`d like to have little 1 on 1 with those little scrawny fuckers..
What do my buddys have to do with anything? You know what I defend what I think is right and I don't think gangbangin' is right! Pussies who can't do shit? Im sorry do you know somethin about that lifestyle? Tell me somethin. Easier written than done
Ryu... one of tookies murder he robbed a 711 for 120 bucks, took the clerk and pointed a gun behind his head execute style and shot him... then spent the $ on PCP....
I agree w/ diggi also... they dont fight 1 on 1 its always 10 on 1 .. and most are scrawny bastards
I never said he wasn't guilty. If you kill 4 people then you should be punished. I'm saying he is not responsible for what other crips have done. Both of you got it wrong, not all are scrawny bastards. and even if they were what does have to do with anything?
Lets set aside the four people he brutaly murdered for no reason for just one second and look at the bigger picture.
As the founding father of the crips he is responsible for every murder/death the crips have commited. Just Like Charles Manson, he was convicted for the acts of his cult followers. It was never proven that he actually had a hand in any of the murders. To me there is no difference here. He may have turned his life around ( and that gets a huge who fucking cares from me) but the fact remains that the gang HE started is still killing people at will with no remorse...
Just bc this all turned out a different way than he expected doesn't excuse anything he did. Him becoming a "better person" (lmfao) doesn't bring back the ones he has put to death. Who cares what he is doing or saying now, the man should have been killed 20 years ago, then we wouldn't have this problem.
It's time for him to meet his maker and be eternally tortured by the lost souls of his victims. Victims by his hands and his followers hands...it makes no difference.
Like I said IMO only god can judge? Im speaking from a christians point of view so if your not a christian, then I can understand why you would say something like that.
The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
Judging of others forbidden
*Matt 7:1,2
*Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/*
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
Oh, and this little "tid bit"
"Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord.* All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death." Leviticus 27:28-29
I never said he wasn't guilty. If you kill 4 people then you should be punished. I'm saying he is not responsible for what other crips have done. Both of you got it wrong, not all are scrawny bastards. and even if they were what does have to do with anything?
Let me ask you this then.
If a man creates a bomb to blow up a shed and it blows up an entire community is he not repsonsible for the destruction. Did he intend for it to happen? No, did it happen? Yes...Did he create the problem? yes...
Cult leaders are responsible for the crimes their cult members commit. Any leader of ANY group is responsible for the actions of the group as a whole, gang leaders are no exception to the rule...ignorance is not an excuse. He is and always will be responsible for EVERY action the gang takes (good or bad) he is the creator, he is the founding father....there is nothing left to say.
Leviticus: 24:17 If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death."
Numbers: 35:30 "If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death...."
in Matthew: 5:21 "...and whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court"
These are just a few, there a several more that all say the same thing. If you truely believe that God is ultimate authority for judgement of murder and he repeats himself throughout scripture that the punishment for murder is death, then you must agree with the death penalty.
Sorry t-man, i didn't see your post before i posted...sorry to step on your toes bro....
>Honorable Governor Schwarzenegger,
>
>I personally knew, worked, and monitored Tookie from the early 1970's
>until he was arrested for the murders for which he has been convicted
>and now awaits the final disposition of the jury's verdict. I was a
>gang cop in South Central Los Angeles for almost twenty years. My first
>contact with Tookie was when he was still a teenager staying on Slater St., in Compton.
>He was living in one of the Fred Shaw Homes for boys. He later stayed
>in the Bob Simmon's Home for Boys on Atlantic Blvd. in Compton. He
>conned them into believing he had stopped his life of crime, all the
>while continuing to gang bang" hard. They made him a peer group
>counselor. I wonder how many kids, that lived in those same homes with
>Tookie, life's were destroyed or negatively impacted as a result of
>them being placed there with him.
>
>Tookie did not co-found the Crip Gang. The Crips were started on the
>West Side of Los Angeles in a relatively small neighborhood by Raymond
>Washington
> Tookie was a second tier member of the Crips that formulated on the
>East side of Los Angeles, e.g. Compton, etc.
>
>Tookie was an egotist who strived for recognition. In my opinion his
>intellect was average at best. That might be a stretch. His claim to
>fame was just the fact he was muscular and physically imposing. (No
>disrespect to
>you)
>
>Tookie didn't even have his own neighborhood Crip gang. The Crip gang
>is made up of hundreds of small neighborhood gangs. Each neighborhood has its'
>own leaders. A significant number of them don't even know members of
>other neighborhood Crip gangs. Most importantly, none of them ever took
>orders from Tookie.
>
>I will admit Tookie did have some influence on "some" Crip gangs. This
>was only due to his size. I'm sure when you walked into various gyms
>around the world there would be hundreds of admiring body builders that
>would gather around you. It was the same with various Crip gang
>members. I can remember how bare chested Tookie and Jamel Barnes,
>along with a bunch of other hanger ons", would walk, run, fight,
>intimidate, and rob innocent people trying to enjoy themselves at the
>Watts Festivals. Because of Tookie, and others like him, the Festival had to be eventually shut down.
>
>Tookie is no author. Tookie's books were written by a lady who is
>infatuated with him. She is also a member of the anti-death penalty
>crowd. All, "at risk", young people would be impacted more by Tookie's
>story when the will of the people are carried out. Conversely though,
>he will be an even greater hero to these same "at risk" youths if he
>beats the system again.
>
>Tookie has not reformed. If he had sincerely reformed the first thing
>out of his mouth would be to tell the world how sorry he is for taking
>the life of at least four innocent people. We also believe he may have
>murdered two other people in San Bernadino County, but that still has
>not be proven.
>Tookie's own prison guard, who spends time with him daily, says Tookie
>still tries to give out orders in the prison and shows no signs of
>remorse.
>
>The Hollywood crowd never met, nor do they even know Tookie. Most of
>the Hollywood group that have come out in support of Tookie have never
>even experienced one day of real life themselves. Life is make believe to them.
>Even Snoop Dog, who takes great pride in being a gangster himself,
>didn't know Tookie.
>
>Tookie is no hero. Tookie is nothing more than a murderous con with an
>egotistical personality. I believe he is enjoying every minute of this
>debate. He is exactly where he has always wanted, tried, and enjoyed being.
>The center of attention! Hero? Hardly. Ask the loved ones of the
>victims that Tookie so callously took their lives. They will tell you
>if he is a hero or not.
>
>Governor Schwarzenegger you can be the hero that Tookie is not. You can
>personally have the greatest impact on "at risk" young people by
>carrying out the will of the people. By letting the final disposition
>of the jury's verdict be carried out, it will graphically show these
>"at risk" youth crime really does not pay. It will also re-enforce the
>fact that there is nothing in the life for a gang banger, but a dead
>end.
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>
>Curtis Jackson
>Gang Unit
>LASD Ret'd
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