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  • #46
    Re: CALIFORNIA

    Originally posted by jazzjackrabbit
    Interesting letter I copy/pasted

    >Honorable Governor Schwarzenegger,
    >
    >I personally knew, worked, and monitored Tookie from the early 1970's
    >until he was arrested for the murders for which he has been convicted
    >and now awaits the final disposition of the jury's verdict. I was a
    >gang cop in South Central Los Angeles for almost twenty years. My first
    >contact with Tookie was when he was still a teenager staying on Slater St., in Compton.
    >He was living in one of the Fred Shaw Homes for boys. He later stayed
    >in the Bob Simmon's Home for Boys on Atlantic Blvd. in Compton. He
    >conned them into believing he had stopped his life of crime, all the
    >while continuing to gang bang" hard. They made him a peer group
    >counselor. I wonder how many kids, that lived in those same homes with
    >Tookie, life's were destroyed or negatively impacted as a result of
    >them being placed there with him.
    >
    >Tookie did not co-found the Crip Gang. The Crips were started on the
    >West Side of Los Angeles in a relatively small neighborhood by Raymond
    >Washington
    > Tookie was a second tier member of the Crips that formulated on the
    >East side of Los Angeles, e.g. Compton, etc.
    >
    >Tookie was an egotist who strived for recognition. In my opinion his
    >intellect was average at best. That might be a stretch. His claim to
    >fame was just the fact he was muscular and physically imposing. (No
    >disrespect to
    >you)
    >
    >Tookie didn't even have his own neighborhood Crip gang. The Crip gang
    >is made up of hundreds of small neighborhood gangs. Each neighborhood has its'
    >own leaders. A significant number of them don't even know members of
    >other neighborhood Crip gangs. Most importantly, none of them ever took
    >orders from Tookie.
    >
    >I will admit Tookie did have some influence on "some" Crip gangs. This
    >was only due to his size. I'm sure when you walked into various gyms
    >around the world there would be hundreds of admiring body builders that
    >would gather around you. It was the same with various Crip gang
    >members. I can remember how bare chested Tookie and Jamel Barnes,
    >along with a bunch of other hanger ons", would walk, run, fight,
    >intimidate, and rob innocent people trying to enjoy themselves at the
    >Watts Festivals. Because of Tookie, and others like him, the Festival had to be eventually shut down.
    >
    >Tookie is no author. Tookie's books were written by a lady who is
    >infatuated with him. She is also a member of the anti-death penalty
    >crowd. All, "at risk", young people would be impacted more by Tookie's
    >story when the will of the people are carried out. Conversely though,
    >he will be an even greater hero to these same "at risk" youths if he
    >beats the system again.
    >
    >Tookie has not reformed. If he had sincerely reformed the first thing
    >out of his mouth would be to tell the world how sorry he is for taking
    >the life of at least four innocent people. We also believe he may have
    >murdered two other people in San Bernadino County, but that still has
    >not be proven.
    >Tookie's own prison guard, who spends time with him daily, says Tookie
    >still tries to give out orders in the prison and shows no signs of
    >remorse.
    >
    >The Hollywood crowd never met, nor do they even know Tookie. Most of
    >the Hollywood group that have come out in support of Tookie have never
    >even experienced one day of real life themselves. Life is make believe to them.
    >Even Snoop Dog, who takes great pride in being a gangster himself,
    >didn't know Tookie.
    >
    >Tookie is no hero. Tookie is nothing more than a murderous con with an
    >egotistical personality. I believe he is enjoying every minute of this
    >debate. He is exactly where he has always wanted, tried, and enjoyed being.
    >The center of attention! Hero? Hardly. Ask the loved ones of the
    >victims that Tookie so callously took their lives. They will tell you
    >if he is a hero or not.
    >
    >Governor Schwarzenegger you can be the hero that Tookie is not. You can
    >personally have the greatest impact on "at risk" young people by
    >carrying out the will of the people. By letting the final disposition
    >of the jury's verdict be carried out, it will graphically show these
    >"at risk" youth crime really does not pay. It will also re-enforce the
    >fact that there is nothing in the life for a gang banger, but a dead
    >end.
    >
    >Respectfully submitted,
    >
    >Curtis Jackson
    >Gang Unit
    >LASD Ret'd
    wow, wonder if that is real?


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    • #47
      Re: CALIFORNIA

      It looks real to me. I dont know if it's real.

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      • #48
        Re: CALIFORNIA

        Considerring that the author was neither for or against the stay then i'm one to believe, it's authentic.

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        • #49
          Re: CALIFORNIA

          LOL..... curtis jackson is 50 cent... i thought 50 wrote that muahahahahahahahahah


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          • #50
            Re: CALIFORNIA

            IF THATS REAL...THATS A GREAT FIND. NON THE LESS, IT WAS VERY ENTERTAINING TO READ...SO, NOW THAT THATS OVER....WHO'S NEXT. WE NEED TO LINE UP ALL THE MURDERER'S AND SNUFF 'EM ALL!!
            HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!


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            • #51
              Re: CALIFORNIA

              if it wasnt for him and his buddy crips probably wouldnt exist - therefore less crime, murders, thefts etc.

              so why not hold him responsible.

              i hope he is in hell now.

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              • #52
                Re: CALIFORNIA

                I have to agree with 007 as well. Even though iam, or consider myself Christian, Catholic reared, which are supposed to be pro-life. I think what matters here is the state in which he was convicted, and these ppl that protest, do they think of what these families and spouses of these victims have to deal with for the rest of their lives?? Just because someone changes their lives or become "saved" (which many claim after they are in prison), it doesn't resind or make their past offenses change. They are convicted and sentenced. The only way i see for a change in anyone's sentence is if there has been found some changes (evidence) to the facts of the case that may admonish them or change the degree of offense from 1st degree to 2nd. I would not want to be the one that is in charge of administering or giving the "go ahead", but that is part of their job and they too have a conscious, but feel it is their duty to uphold the law in their state. It is a sad case of affairs for all families and relatives of both parties.

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                • #53
                  Re: CALIFORNIA

                  while he might have helped keep kids our of gangs he will never be able to give back what he took. I was glad to hear that he was put to death so not all californians wanted him to stay a live

                  Tman you gave some great info and some great comments

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                  • #54
                    Re: CALIFORNIA

                    First, great discussion. Really enjoyed reading all the posts. RIP to those mentioned who have passed.

                    A couple things to add to the discussion, a point on each side of the fence:

                    1. Williams isn't reaching anybody. 9 books are credited to him. But his girlfriend wrote 6 of them and the other 3 were written at the same time he was pleading brain damage to try and avoid the death penalty. His best-selling book only sold 300 copies. He has never apologized or shown any remorse for the murders. When he left the courtroom after his trial he whispered to the prosecution "I'll get every last one of you motherfuckers."

                    2. On the other hand, as in all death penalty cases, we must also ask ourselves "Does the very small chance that he is innocent outweigh the absolute finality of executing him?"

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                    • #55
                      Re: CALIFORNIA

                      Originally posted by Diggi
                      if it wasnt for him and his buddy crips probably wouldnt exist - therefore less crime, murders, thefts etc.

                      so why not hold him responsible.

                      i hope he is in hell now.
                      Yea you're probably right if him and his buddy's never existed then the CRIPS might not be here today........ they would probably be called another gang LOL. You are missing the point of where the crips or any gang for that matter came up and why they came up. You hope he is in hell now? Don't give your hopes up God made that decision hours ago whether he went to hell or heaven. He doesn't have to apologize to anyone about what he did other than to god. He could be in heaven for all we know.
                      Once again he is not responsible for other peoples actions.

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                      • #56
                        Re: CALIFORNIA

                        Originally posted by 46and2aheadofme
                        First, great discussion. Really enjoyed reading all the posts. RIP to those mentioned who have passed.

                        A couple things to add to the discussion, a point on each side of the fence:

                        1. Williams isn't reaching anybody. 9 books are credited to him. But his girlfriend wrote 6 of them and the other 3 were written at the same time he was pleading brain damage to try and avoid the death penalty. His best-selling book only sold 300 copies. He has never apologized or shown any remorse for the murders. When he left the courtroom after his trial he whispered to the prosecution "I'll get every last one of you motherfuckers."

                        2. On the other hand, as in all death penalty cases, we must also ask ourselves "Does the very small chance that he is innocent outweigh the absolute finality of executing him?"
                        yea i read that he didnt even write the books. and the press reporting that he was nominated for a noble peace prize in lit., when it was actually him that nominated himself!!!
                        as far is number 2 is concerned....yes, in this case, in my opinion, it outweigh's that 1 in 10 billion chance. they should put him to sleep a long time ago!
                        HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!


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                        I LOVE BOOBOOKITTY...

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                        • #57
                          Re: CALIFORNIA

                          Originally posted by Evil Ryu
                          Yea you're probably right if him and his buddy's never existed then the CRIPS might not be here today........ they would probably be called another gang LOL. You are missing the point of where the crips or any gang for that matter came up and why they came up. You hope he is in hell now? Don't give your hopes up God made that decision hours ago whether he went to hell or heaven. He doesn't have to apologize to anyone about what he did other than to god. He could be in heaven for all we know.
                          Once again he is not responsible for other peoples actions.
                          I agree that stamping a name on a gang doesn't make him responsible for their actions. But nurturing the gang, recruiting, growing, teaching them that militant violence is the way to solve problems, LEADING them - that does make him responsible. Our entire legal system is based on the idea of leaders being responsible for the actions of followers IF the followers acted at the leader's direction or because of the leader's negligence. Parents are held accountable for the actions of their children. Bosses are held accountable for the actions of their employees. Why should gang leaders be any different?

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                          • #58
                            Re: CALIFORNIA

                            Originally posted by Evil Ryu
                            Yea you're probably right if him and his buddy's never existed then the CRIPS might not be here today........ they would probably be called another gang LOL. You are missing the point of where the crips or any gang for that matter came up and why they came up. You hope he is in hell now? Don't give your hopes up God made that decision hours ago whether he went to hell or heaven. He doesn't have to apologize to anyone about what he did other than to god. He could be in heaven for all we know.
                            Once again he is not responsible for other peoples actions.
                            your right on this. he's not responsible for others actions (to a point). and, right again, there still would be gang's...just maybe by another name. but, he was prosecuted for murder bro....bottom line! he appealed, lost and appealed again..over and over he dragged it out forever (awhile, anyhow)..time to end the game.....
                            HE WHO MAKES A BEAST OF HIMSELF, GET'S RID OF THE PAIN OF BEING A MAN!!


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                            "Actually for once your actually starting sound quite logical!"-djdiggler 07/10/2007

                            I LOVE BOOBOOKITTY...

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                            • #59
                              Re: CALIFORNIA

                              Originally posted by daved150
                              your right on this. he's not responsible for others actions (to a point). and, right again, there still would be gang's...just maybe by another name. but, he was prosecuted for murder bro....bottom line! he appealed, lost and appealed again..over and over he dragged it out forever (awhile, anyhow)..time to end the game.....
                              Exactly. Whether or not he is (was) responsible for the actions of the Crips is a moot point (though an interesting debate). The four murders that he was convicted of - that should be the only focus. He wasn't convicted of anything related to founding the Crips, but it makes his death more symbolically important. That's why it's getting all this press.

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                              • #60
                                Re: CALIFORNIA

                                Originally posted by Evil Ryu
                                Once again he is not responsible for other peoples actions.
                                You keep saying this but you offer no argument to support your statement. Feel free to do so or it simply means nothing. In a general sense one can't be held liable for amnothers actions. Of course each rule come with it's exceptions to the rule. And in this case the extenuating circumstances more than justifies adding the exception.

                                I'm not saying you are wrong, i just want you to elaborate a little....

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