Atheist/Agnostic and Christmas?

[Skarhead]

Re: Atheist/Agnostic and Christmas?

Now, Now 007, lol! I would ask "Who are these 500 ppl that can prove Jesus ressurected from the dead"?, and what proof of what these ppl have said is true?? I have never heard this account and i was raised Roman Catholic. Also i do not particulary believe just because you don't means you are lost, lol! Everyone has different views on religion and just because you believe what you do doesn't make you right and everone else lost, lol! Do you actually believe everything that has been written, by these pagons to be truth? Hell, they believed that when there was a bad storm and lightning and thunder, they wrote it down, as in fact that it was a myrid of chariots and the gods comming down from the heavens. Also there wording from back then was much different in terminology then ours today, so what they might have said back then has a totally different meaning then what we use today. If you are not a scholar in Christian theology i would not second guess what is writen from what is truth. Many scholors believe "Jesus" was nothing buy a religious zelot that was crucified during that time period. Other that his preachings he did nothing more that many at that time, btw many, many ppl were crucified during his time as well, but ppl have a way of gossiping and then the gossip turns into truth, which gets handed down from generation to generation. It was an extreamely developemental time during the Roman period for christianity and many had their own versions for what they wanted to believe in their own religions and that is how different denomination developed into what we have today. Is it all truth?? Maybe some, but i would say most of it is what was made up by ppl of that time.

agree here. bible was written 500 yeras after everything happened... thats 500 years of stories

[mick-G]

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Btw, Amerigo Vespucci discovered America long before Columbus. He was of course Itallian.

[BIGMOFO]

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Now, Now 007, lol! I would ask "Who are these 500 ppl that can prove Jesus ressurected from the dead"?, and what proof of what these ppl have said is true?? I have never heard this account and i was raised Roman Catholic. Also i do not particulary believe just because you don't means you are lost, lol! Everyone has different views on religion and just because you believe what you do doesn't make you right and everone else lost, lol! Do you actually believe everything that has been written, by these pagons to be truth? Hell, they believed that when there was a bad storm and lightning and thunder, they wrote it down, as in fact that it was a myrid of chariots and the gods comming down from the heavens. Also there wording from back then was much different in terminology then ours today, so what they might have said back then has a totally different meaning then what we use today. If you are not a scholar in Christian theology i would not second guess what is writen from what is truth. Many scholors believe "Jesus" was nothing buy a religious zelot that was crucified during that time period. Other that his preachings he did nothing more that many at that time, btw many, many ppl were crucified during his time as well, but ppl have a way of gossiping and then the gossip turns into truth, which gets handed down from generation to generation. It was an extreamely developemental time during the Roman period for christianity and many had their own versions for what they wanted to believe in their own religions and that is how different denomination developed into what we have today. Is it all truth?? Maybe some, but i would say most of it is what was made up by ppl of that time.

READ Matthew 28

1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door,[a] and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.”
8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word.

9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me.”

[T-Man007]

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Now, Now 007, lol! I would ask "Who are these 500 ppl that can prove Jesus ressurected from the dead"?, and what proof of what these ppl have said is true?? I have never heard this account and i was raised Roman Catholic. Also i do not particulary believe just because you don't means you are lost, lol! Everyone has different views on religion and just because you believe what you do doesn't make you right and everone else lost, lol! Do you actually believe everything that has been written, by these pagons to be truth? Hell, they believed that when there was a bad storm and lightning and thunder, they wrote it down, as in fact that it was a myrid of chariots and the gods comming down from the heavens. Also there wording from back then was much different in terminology then ours today, so what they might have said back then has a totally different meaning then what we use today. If you are not a scholar in Christian theology i would not second guess what is writen from what is truth. Many scholors believe "Jesus" was nothing buy a religious zelot that was crucified during that time period. Other that his preachings he did nothing more that many at that time, btw many, many ppl were crucified during his time as well, but ppl have a way of gossiping and then the gossip turns into truth, which gets handed down from generation to generation. It was an extreamely developemental time during the Roman period for christianity and many had their own versions for what they wanted to believe in their own religions and that is how different denomination developed into what we have today. Is it all truth?? Maybe some, but i would say most of it is what was made up by ppl of that time.

Point taking bro! You are right, I do let 'my' beliefs be favored more as truth as it was taugh to me. I can only believe that what is written in teh Bible is true, I have no proof, just belief.

[FUZO]

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I BELEIVE IF MY WIFE DOESNT START USING THE TOOTHPASTE THE RIGHT WAY I'M GOING TO BEAT THAT HO DOWN.LOL

[BIGMOFO]

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I BELEIVE IF MY WIFE DOESNT START USING THE TOOTHPASTE THE RIGHT WAY I'M GOING TO BEAT THAT HO DOWN.LOL

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[T-Man007]

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agree here. bible was written 500 yeras after everything happened... thats 500 years of stories

That's not true dude. The Bible was written over years and years by differetn authors. Moses did not live when Paul did. The old testament was way before the new one and Paul wrote whiel he was alive. Most of the books of the Bible were written while happening. Many of Pauls writting were to churches while alive, Mark, Luke, Mathew wrote while alive. Who told you teh Bible was written 500years later? That's just wrong. It was written while it happened. The only part that was written later was Genisis and the story of the begining was passed down until written language came to be. I don't remember which generation began writing, but still, that was genisis. Everything since then was recorded as or shortly after it happened.

[mick-G]

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And so this you are saying is proof?? It is just another written story. I have also heard many of the bodies of crucified ppl were stolen from sites to be burried later by relatives. My question...can any of these stories be validated? Not even Mary Magdalane. Was she a mere pagon or a prostitute? No one knows, because there is no factual data that exsists, none. Even now the shroud was definately discounted as nothing but an image of a self portrait done by a painter of that time period. Most of the reglious writers during AD period were very dramatic in their writings. I might also add that other bodies that were crucified have been found and all were wraped in the same type of linen, but do you hear about this. No, because many Christians, especially Roman Catholics want to believe there was a man call Jesus believed to be the Son of God.

[T-Man007]

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Btw, Amerigo Vespucci discovered America long before Columbus. He was of course Itallian.

Actually, not true. He got credit for the name because he was a cartographer but we are taught Columbus, that's why we have Columbus Day. He discovered the eastern part of the Americas. The name America came from Vespucci becasue he was the one who drew the map. And, vespucci came after Columbus, not before. There was no America until after Columbus.

[mick-G]

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I dont know 007 that is what i read let me do some research.

[BIGMOFO]

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Christians believe the Bible is the inspired word of God.

• The Protestant Christian Bible contains 66 books, from Genesis to Revelation. The Catholic Christian Bible contains the same 66 books and an extra 7 books. Those extra 7 books are mostly historical accounts of events that took place before the time of Jesus.

• The Christian Bible is divided into two parts - the Old Testament and the New Testament.

• The books of the Bible were written by about 40 different people, including prophets, poets and historians.

• The Old Testament books of the Bible were composed during a period of time that lasted about 1000 years. That period of time began with Moses, who lived about 3400 years ago. It ended about 2400 years ago, which is about the time that the prophet Malachi lived.

• The New Testament books of the Bible were written sometime from about 50 AD to about 95 AD (that's about 1950 years ago to about 1900 years ago). Jesus was crucified by the Romans in about 30 AD.

[T-Man007]

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I dont know 007 that is what i read let me do some research.

It's not a big deal bro, but you make a great point. You thought that America was discovered by Vespucci and before Columbus. So, that just goes to show how stories can be told or interpreted different. I don't want you to think I discredit your thoughts, because I don't. I just stand by my beliefs. We could go back and forth all day with 'what if' and really start thinking, but at the end of the day, it all depends on what we 'believe'.

[mick-G]

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Ok??^ Oh and yes 007 i stand corrected, but i am reading actually many believe the Chinese discovered America around 1421. I don't have time to do alot of research here. I will later when i get home, lol! My point though here is that alot of ppl believe different things, and everyone has a right to their own beliefs, which many of them believe their own as the truth, but no on really knows for sure.

[T-Man007]

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^^ Also, Leif Erickson, a viking, was charted to have discovered America before anyone. He even had maps, however, people discredited his maps and said they were fakes. So, yeah, it all depends on the individual's exposure to information. That's how we form our beliefs, from what we are exposed to.

[FUZO]

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I DISCOVERED IF YOU DONT WIPE YOUR BUTT GOOD ENOUGH YOU GET RACING STRIPES