9/11 Lawsuit

[Equalizer]

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but like you said about giving a benefit of doubt to one i usually do and did and still do but there is just too much out there if you choose to believe it. Ill post some links in the politics forumn to some of the documents and topics we talked about when i get a chance.

[geesler]

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...Watch how the plane going down the road gets it's wings ripped completely off by nothing more than telephone poles.

There were no wings found at all though- no wrechakge of wings outside, and they didnt even break the windows on either side of the hole.

[geesler]

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You don't know very much about aeronautical engineering do you?

Nope I dont know anything about aeronautical engineering- but I would think that the wings would at least break the windows on both sides of the hole. How can a Boeing 757 which is over 44 feet in height and 124 feet in width simply disappear without a trace into a hole that is only 16 ft. in diameter?
The wings would at least break the windows on either side of the whole . Those facts make me think that the damage was more likely done by a missile or something else and not a 757. And why wouldn't any of footage caught from the traffic cameras on the highways that the plane would have had to fly over been released or seen? I feel I have to state that I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm only stating my opinion. Everyone is entitle to their won. I just wanted to post this info and these links to anyone who's interested. Cheers

Check the pictures of the pentagon damage http://snopes-911pentagon.brad.com/ (to me they speak for themself as to NOT looking like a 757 hit the pentagon.)
As crazy as it sounds, the US government/miliktary planned a similar attack on itself during the Cuban Missle crisis, but the president turned down the plan. Those papers have since then been released.
http://www.wsws.org/public_html/iwb12-8/cuba.htm (dont have time to find a better link)

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=26

Physical and mathematical analysis of pentagon crash:http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/5053.php

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/

pod explosion from airliner before impact:

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id31.html

firemen discussion of attack:

http://www.letsroll911.org/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg

http://www.policestate21.com/

http://www.policestate21.com/cnn.html

Missile & remote control systems added to small jets before 9-11; same parts found at Pentagon:

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=110&mode=&order=0&thold=0

[Merc]

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T-man do you believe that building number 7 collapsed by its self or it was demolished(pulled) by someone?

Also I do believe that the reports said that the steal was mealted but I will double check but if it it did break there should have been 2/3 of the building still standing. and it would not have fallen on its self it would have fallen to the weaker side of the structure.

Anyways I will do some searching for the facts that they released about the structure.

[Merc]

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Oh one more thing to think about is the Norad standing down, usually if a flight goes off course they will contact the planes and if no response they will have fighters there with in 5 minutes. on 9/11 no nothing happened while the planes were of course for over an hour

[daved150]

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NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS AGAIN...WELL, TOO LATE! BUT, YOU COULD HAVE A REPORT OF BIN-LADEN AND GEORGE BUSH MEETING AT THE FOUR SEASONS HOTEL, TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER, COMPLETE WITH CHARGE CARDS RECIEPTS...AND I WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT!!! ANYTHING CAN BE TWISTED TO USE IN ANYWAY YOU NEED IT TWISTED!! I'M NOT DERECTING AT ANYONE SPECIFIC...I'M JUST SAYING...AND NO!! I DO-NOT SUPPORT GEORGE BUSH..DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM, AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY POSITION.

[jackson vile]

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There is nothing worse than people who make something out of nothing. With enough time I could convence a person the color green is not really green but simply a combination of blue and yellow. If anything, it's bellow or yellue, but green is not real. Without blue and yellow there would be no green. blah, blah, blah....

First off I want to know where the hell you got that pic of Dorian, man he sure is one of the best Mr. Os ever, way better than Ronnie Coleman, and would have kicked Coleman’s ass.



Anyways, you are not thinking straight and some of these other guys on the other extreme aren't thinking straight.



The WTO incident is far far too strange, so many questions, but yet no answers, unwilling to answer.



We hear time and time again how Osama was planning to crash planes in the US, yet it is not the Govs fault. We have 15 something different intelligence agencies and yes Kerry is 100% correct it does need to be cut as it won't hurt anything as proven.



They ignored all the info they had, but why? Kind of like Pearl Harbor, weather it was some how accidentally ignored repeatedly or on purpose they are highly responsible, and I hold our chief and commander (the Boss) in the highest accountability.



How is it that we were able to stop one plane but not 3 others, why can we not listen to the black boxes, why would the terrorist attack these buildings of no importance when they could cripple use buy destroying oil refineries, power plants ect, why do these supposed sleeper cells into he US never do anything?



In the end the Gov and especially Bush is highly responsible, also remember that we literally created these people and gave them a just cause to attack use so it is even more the Gov fault.

[solidground]

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NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS AGAIN...WELL, TOO LATE! BUT, YOU COULD HAVE A REPORT OF BIN-LADEN AND GEORGE BUSH MEETING AT THE FOUR SEASONS HOTEL, TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER, COMPLETE WITH CHARGE CARDS RECIEPTS...AND I WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT!!! ANYTHING CAN BE TWISTED TO USE IN ANYWAY YOU NEED IT TWISTED!!

thats kinda rediculous dont ya think? why are you so set on what you think happened that you wont even be open to another alternative..things arent always black and white dude. why not atleast try to understand another theory before rejecting it-have an open mind..what i believe may not be 100% true but to me it makes a whole lot more sense then what the mainstream media feeds us. did you know every single mainstream news station and newspaper is owned by a total of 6 companys..this makes it easy to push a plan and condition us to a certain type of thinking. im not telling you to beleive what i do but atleast educate yourself of all the possibilities before coming to a conclusion

[Equalizer]

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T-man do you believe that building number 7 collapsed by its self or it was demolished(pulled) by someone?

Also I do believe that the reports said that the steal was mealted but I will double check but if it it did break there should have been 2/3 of the building still standing. and it would not have fallen on its self it would have fallen to the weaker side of the structure.

Anyways I will do some searching for the facts that they released about the structure.

The owner of the 3 buildings that were demolished were owned by the same guy....They "pulled" building 6 or 7 because they said there was already such a loss of life and the decision was made to "pull" it and that comes out of the owners mouth...ill post a video of him saying that in a minute.....

[daved150]

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solidground... i guess you missed (sorry i dont remember post #, and this computer sucks) where i said i DID my research on this subject, and this is MY conclusion. i'm NOT trying to force feed MY perspective on this subject to anyone, just simply stating MY opinion. and i also dont think it's so easy to shape the american thinking as you do. yes, it MAY be true that the same 6 companies own the news outlets (something i find hard to believe in it's self) but, to stretch the imagination enough to think that 6 guy's get together on the weekends somewhere to conspire how to mold the general opinion of americans, is a little overreaching imo. and i know you didnt quite say that, but i thought the implication wasd there...

[supasaiyan99]

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Very good post guys! I don't really have an opinion on this. Whether the government knew or didn't know won't make a difference. The truth always comes out. Just like the documents about Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. But I'm glad you guys were very respectful to each other in this debate. We need more discussions like this!!!

[T-Man007]

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Nope I dont know anything about aeronautical engineering- but I would think that the wings would at least break the windows on both sides of the hole. How can a Boeing 757 which is over 44 feet in height and 124 feet in width simply disappear without a trace into a hole that is only 16 ft. in diameter?
The wings would at least break the windows on either side of the whole . Those facts make me think that the damage was more likely done by a missile or something else and not a 757. And why wouldn't any of footage caught from the traffic cameras on the highways that the plane would have had to fly over been released or seen? I feel I have to state that I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm only stating my opinion. Everyone is entitle to their won. I just wanted to post this info and these links to anyone who's interested. Cheers

Check the pictures of the pentagon damage http://snopes-911pentagon.brad.com/ (to me they speak for themself as to NOT looking like a 757 hit the pentagon.)
As crazy as it sounds, the US government/miliktary planned a similar attack on itself during the Cuban Missle crisis, but the president turned down the plan. Those papers have since then been released.
http://www.wsws.org/public_html/iwb12-8/cuba.htm (dont have time to find a better link)

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=26

Physical and mathematical analysis of pentagon crash:http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/5053.php

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/

pod explosion from airliner before impact:

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id31.html

firemen discussion of attack:

http://www.letsroll911.org/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg

http://www.policestate21.com/

http://www.policestate21.com/cnn.html

Missile & remote control systems added to small jets before 9-11; same parts found at Pentagon:
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php...rder=0&thold=0

I'm going to be honest, I didn't look at all the pics. But if a telephone pole can tear off a wing the I would say teh reson you don't wee any windows borken is becase the wings of an airplane are not perpendicular to the plane, they slant backwards towards the tail. So, as soon as the plane hits the wings are riped off where they meet the plane. Therefore, in my opinion, if the wings are torn off that close to the plane and they slant backwards, they shouldn't ever enen come in contact with the building. They way they are desinged they are very flexible and very weak, so to speak. Because the section of the building closest to the plane tore off the wings I would seriously doubt any other part of the wings would even make contact.

Now, as for why there is no debrie, well, it's a government facility. I guarantee that stuff was removed ont eh double time. Any evedence was taken out ASAP. It's not like city or county police where they leave stuff around forever. I'll give you an exapmple, I had lunch with a buddy of mine a few weeks ago and we were talking about his experience in the military. He used to be on the crews that would repair landing strips on the ground. He said that they could go in and repair a bombed airstrip in 45 minutes or less using these really large pieces of steel. When puch comes to shove the military and the government can make things happen very quickly. Remember Roswell New Mexico. Regardless of what really happended, the evidence was gone in no time. And that was like the 1950's so you can only imagine how fast things can be done today.

Now, the reason the whole was not the big is because the actual fuselage is not that wide. The front of the plane comes to a point so it makes a pretty clean impact. If the laning gear is still up, the wings get ripped of and the tail too, then there is nothing to expect but a whole slightly larger than the fuselage.

[T-Man007]

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First off I want to know where the hell you got that pic of Dorian, man he sure is one of the best Mr. Os ever, way better than Ronnie Coleman, and would have kicked Coleman’s ass.



Anyways, you are not thinking straight and some of these other guys on the other extreme aren't thinking straight.



The WTO incident is far far too strange, so many questions, but yet no answers, unwilling to answer.



We hear time and time again how Osama was planning to crash planes in the US, yet it is not the Govs fault. We have 15 something different intelligence agencies and yes Kerry is 100% correct it does need to be cut as it won't hurt anything as proven.



They ignored all the info they had, but why? Kind of like Pearl Harbor, weather it was some how accidentally ignored repeatedly or on purpose they are highly responsible, and I hold our chief and commander (the Boss) in the highest accountability.



How is it that we were able to stop one plane but not 3 others, why can we not listen to the black boxes, why would the terrorist attack these buildings of no importance when they could cripple use buy destroying oil refineries, power plants ect, why do these supposed sleeper cells into he US never do anything?



In the end the Gov and especially Bush is highly responsible, also remember that we literally created these people and gave them a just cause to attack use so it is even more the Gov fault.

Well you have to realize, "we" didn't stop any planes, brave Americans did. The reason "we" couldn't stop the other three is because it happen so quickly and remember, according to the news, the planes were totally missing. It's been a while so I might be off on that last statement but I think that's what happend. Also, it was reported that each plane was actually carrying a very low number of people and that many expected passengers didn't show. The terrorists wanted the odds in there favor. You try this on a packed full plane and you got problems. The hurry up and kill a couple people and the other 50 ot 60 are scared shitless.

I don't blame Bush at all, he doesn't work for the CIA, FBI or NAS. If anyone is to blame, it's those agencies. But we disagree there and that's fine with me.

PS - I don't remember where I got the pic from, but I think he was great too. I don't think he could have beaten Ronnies back though.

[jackson vile]

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Well if you remember the first reports came in said that plane was shot down, and then later they tried saying some guy over took the hijackers which is beyond unlikely.

No way they know where they were going, no way they would killthems selves like that.

Basic #1 instinct in all humans is survival do everything and any thing to survive!

As for back Ronies back does not hold a candle to Dorian

[jackson vile]

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Also forgot to mention that Bush got repeated reports from the various agencies that they were going to atack with plans, this is a fact that was admitted to the 9/11 board. So you can't argue that one, Also if somone F's up in my busniness guess who gets in trouble, it ain't ole Jimmy it's me.

That is how it works you are the boss your are responsible for everyones actions that work for you as long as it is related.

Oh and here is a pic of Dorian in Ronnie Coleman comp condition and he still has more defenition.

Dorian had it perfectly down with no weak spots just like Arnold and some other Mr O's did.

Ronnie has bad calfs, quads too big hams too little, forearms too little, bad midsection, ect.

Dorian had none of those except the distended belly at times.